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Old 04-16-2005, 12:05 PM   #1
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Reason for The Undertaker's no show at the Hall of Fame...heat between him and Hogan?
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-The Undertaker did not attend the Hall of Fame Ceremony at WrestleMania 21 because he wanted to protect his character, but also because he and Hogan have long standing backstage heat. Undertaker has been bitter towards Hogan from his days early on in WWE when he worked two straight PPV’s against Hogan. He heard that Hogan made a point of telling McMahon he wasn’t ready for a top spot at that point and claimed Taker didn’t protect him well during their matches including on a Tombstone piledriver.

Ever since then, he and Hogan have not gotten along. Many respected the Undertakers decision not to attend the ceremony. On that same note, some are saying that it took a phone call from Vince McMahon in order to persuade Steve Austin to attend the Hall of Fame Ceremony. There is also some heat between Austin and Hogan, but once Austin was there he seemed to enjoy himself and there are pictures of he and Hogan at the event speaking with one another. credit: Observer Newsletter
So...he wanted to not show up at the HOF because he wanted to protect his character, but yet he can dress up like Dirty Harry for the Wrestlemania Trailer and try to hit on the WWE Divas on the Smackdown vs. Raw video game?
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Old 04-16-2005, 12:10 PM   #2
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Hogan can't even make friends among other guys who have reputations of holding the talent down. That's got to be a new level of asshole that hasn't been invented yet.
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So...he wanted to not show up at the HOF because he wanted to protect his character, but yet he can dress up like Dirty Harry for the Wrestlemania Trailer and try to hit on the WWE Divas on the Smackdown vs. Raw video game?
Hypocrasy in wrestling! Surely not, to the Bat-cave!
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Old 04-16-2005, 12:11 PM   #5
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So...he wanted to not show up at the HOF because he wanted to protect his character, but yet he can dress up like Dirty Harry for the Wrestlemania Trailer and try to hit on the WWE Divas on the Smackdown vs. Raw video game?
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Old 04-16-2005, 12:12 PM   #6
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Hogan can't even make friends among other guys who have reputations of holding the talent down. That's got to be a new level of asshole that hasn't been invented yet.
The problem is he's holding the Undertaker down. I mean, politcal bitches have a code mang.
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Oh well, who cares. It's his decision to not show up, and we should all respect that. At least he didn't act like a baby and talk shit about Hogan *cough*MachoMan*cough*, he just didn't bothering going to the HoF show.
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Oh well, who cares. It's his decision to not show up, and we should all respect that. At least he didn't act like a baby and talk shit about Hogan *cough*MachoMan*cough*, he just didn't bothering going to the HoF show.
...Even if it was for stupid reasons.
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I look at it like this. Should Undertaker have been there? Probably. However, not showing up might have been a good thing, because if he were there, they may have had some words, and that wouldn't be good at the Hall of Fame ceremony. Backstage at Raw, SmackDown!, or even a Pay-Per-View is one thing, but at the Hall of Fame ceremony?
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Old 04-16-2005, 01:37 PM   #10
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Yes Pepsi Man because the wrestling HOF is such a grand event.

You see, it's not. I'm pretending it is in a sarcastic manner. In other words, I'm making light of your post. I hope this explanation hasn't spoiled the joke.
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I think its becoming a big deal.

I never expected Taker to be there because of the gimmick stuff.

As for his heat with Hogan, its kinda typical between top guys. Austin has heat with Hogan, Rock has heat with HHH, Flair has heat with Bret and Foley, Hogan has heat with Savage, etc etc
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Yes Pepsi Man because the wrestling HOF is such a grand event.

You see, it's not. I'm pretending it is in a sarcastic manner. In other words, I'm making light of your post. I hope this explanation hasn't spoiled the joke.
Oh, not at all. It's the least glorious night in all of professional wrestling.

You see, it's not. I'm pretending it is in a sarcastic manner. In other words, I'm making light of your post. I hope this explanation hasn't spoiled the joke.
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Yes Pepsi Man because the wrestling HOF is such a grand event.

You see, it's not. I'm pretending it is in a sarcastic manner. In other words, I'm making light of your post. I hope this explanation hasn't spoiled the joke.
You had me fooled til that second paragraph.
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Think aboot it eh.

A Hall of Fame for pro wrestlers.
A scripted form of entertainment where you become a hall of famer because of the bookings and political bickering that goes on.

I find it absurd.
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Think aboot it eh.

A Hall of Fame for pro wrestlers.
A scripted form of entertainment where you become a hall of famer because of the bookings and political bickering that goes on.

I find it absurd.
now that you put it that way it really does sound absurd
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Old 04-16-2005, 02:28 PM   #16
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Think aboot it eh.

A Hall of Fame for pro wrestlers.
A scripted form of entertainment where you become a hall of famer because of the bookings and political bickering that goes on.

I find it absurd.
Think about it, though. It's not just about the politics. It's about guys that went out there and got over. A lot of the men in it were never World Champions. Some were barely Intercontinental Champions.

I guess the Emmy's and the Oscars and all of that isn't prestigious either.
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Still though, political bickering and bookings don't always make a superstar - or else Steve Blackman and Bob Holly would be the WWE and World Champions right now, as they have had more undeserved pushes than anyone.

I think of it more as a lifetime achievement award for giving a lot to the company and the business as a whole. If they were putting people into the hall of fame for "most wins" or "most championships held" it would be absurd, but because they only induct those who have made an impact on the WWE in some way or another, it's okay.


Then again, the fact that Pete Rose is in there kind of blows my whole explanation out of the water... someone should be shot for that decision.
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Think about it, though. It's not just about the politics. It's about guys that went out there and got over. A lot of the men in it were never World Champions. Some were barely Intercontinental Champions.

I guess the Emmy's and the Oscars and all of that isn't prestigious either.
Hogan isn't even finished his wrestling career and he's in the hall of fame. Think about it.
Maybe once the WW(F)E starts putting unknown wrestlers in their hall of fame. Don't forget that too, it's not a true hall of fame, as you had to have had a WW(F)E affiliation, then it'll truly mean something. As far as I'm concerned, the hall of fame was a great idea until it became reality.
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Pete Rose.

Exactly, that's shameless WWE Promotion. Pete Rose can't get into the baseball hall of fame, so they put him in theirs. LOLzzz so funny.
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Think aboot it eh.

A Hall of Fame for pro wrestlers.
A scripted form of entertainment where you become a hall of famer because of the bookings and political bickering that goes on.

I find it absurd.
Stop pretending to be Canadian. You're not fooling anyone.



It's not like they're rewarding people for their win-loss record in a fake sport. IT's about entertainment value.
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Can't see it being true. It's not 1991 anymore. Everyone saw the Biker Taker gimmick and the real Mark Callaway. Plus Taker worked with Hogan a couple of years ago and there were no talk of beefs then.
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Hogan isn't even finished his wrestling career and he's in the hall of fame. Think about it.
Maybe once the WW(F)E starts putting unknown wrestlers in their hall of fame. Don't forget that too, it's not a true hall of fame, as you had to have had a WW(F)E affiliation, then it'll truly mean something. As far as I'm concerned, the hall of fame was a great idea until it became reality.
That's exactly why he's OUR Hero.

It's not really a Hall of Fame. You can't even really cal it a WWF/E HOF as Bruno Sammartino isn't in it. It's a "we're going to let Vince use our name one last time so as not to burn any bridges the next time we need a paycheck" ceremony.

What's funny is that there actually is a pro wrestling HOF in upstate NY that's non-promotionally biased, has an international voting committee made of wrestlers, promoters, and longtime writers, that Vince refused to be a part of or recognize because they wouldn't give him Final Veto on their nominations.

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If Taker had any common sense, he'd be thanking Hogan. Because of guys like Hogan, Vince McMahon, Rock, and Austin, the wrestling industry enjoyed huge booms. Undertaker became more well known as a result.

If anything, Taker should be kissing Hogan's feet.


Taker "no selling" his appreciation for Hogan. Imagine that.
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Hogan isn't even finished his wrestling career and he's in the hall of fame. Think about it.
Maybe once the WW(F)E starts putting unknown wrestlers in their hall of fame. Don't forget that too, it's not a true hall of fame, as you had to have had a WW(F)E affiliation, then it'll truly mean something. As far as I'm concerned, the hall of fame was a great idea until it became reality.
So by allowing MORE people, a wider array of people in, then it'll mean more to be one of the people that get in?
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Taker is respected as a veteran. I'm sure his reasons for not showing at the event were legit. I'm pretty sure Vince doesn't want to be backstage and an induction ceremony in which someone asks Taker's thoughts on Hogan being inducted and hearing " I hate that son-of-a-bitch and his career was never good and I personally can't stand him" . Although a confrontation like that would be hilarious, I don't think it's what Vinnie Mac wants.

I'm sure both guys would get hurt in a legit shoot fight against each other.

If Hogan really did make untrue comments about Taker earlier in his career, his not showing up at Hogan's induction was justified.....

I've always wondered why wrestlers were jeolous of each other. They quite oftenly make comments against one another[by way of interviews, writing books, etc] and make it public knowledge, when it shouldn't be made public. Oh well, that's life and pro wrestling for ya
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Taker is respected as a veteran. I'm sure his reasons for not showing at the event were legit. I'm pretty sure Vince doesn't want to be backstage and an induction ceremony in which someone asks Taker's thoughts on Hogan being inducted and hearing " I hate that son-of-a-bitch and his career was never good and I personally can't stand him" . Although a confrontation like that would be hilarious, I don't think it's what Vinnie Mac wants.

I'm sure both guys would get hurt in a legit shoot fight against each other.

If Hogan really did make untrue comments about Taker earlier in his career, his not showing up at Hogan's induction was justified.....

I've always wondered why wrestlers were jeolous of each other. They quite oftenly make comments against one another[by way of interviews, writing books, etc] and make it public knowledge, when it shouldn't be made public. Oh well, that's life and pro wrestling for ya
The "untrue comments" part I can't fully agree with. How can anyone say what Hogan's opinion is except for Hogan himself?

Mind you, Undertaker is my favorite wrestler ever. I don't find it too far-fetched that Hogan felt like Undertaker wasn't ready to be in a main event position. Odds are there is a wrestler or two out there that Undertaker has told management he did not feel were ready to be in a main event position.
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Taker probably uses the "dead" excuse all the time to get out of everything, whether he is "dead" in the storyline or not, which would be stupid. Taker not going to Hogan's HOF ceremony is justified, especially when you think about if Taker got to the HOF first, Hogan would have done that to Taker too and you know Hogan will do this when it is UT's turn. Hell, you don't see Hogan or Taker going to everyone's HOF ceremony so what's the big deal?

I doubt either care for each other, so whatever.
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Old 04-17-2005, 02:25 AM   #28
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Taker probably uses the "dead" excuse all the time to get out of everything, whether he is "dead" in the storyline or not, which would be stupid. Taker not going to Hogan's HOF ceremony is justified, especially when you think about if Taker got to the HOF first, Hogan would have done that to Taker too and you know Hogan will do this when it is UT's turn. Hell, you don't see Hogan or Taker going to everyone's HOF ceremony so what's the big deal?

I doubt either care for each other, so whatever.
So we can predict the future of alternate realities? There is absolutely no way to tell if Hulk Hogan would have attended a Hall of Fame ceremony that was inclusive of Undertaker had he been with the company at such a time.

Is the likelihood of Hogan attending a Taker Hall of Fame induction limited NOW? Probably.

Also, as big of an Undertaker mark as I am, I think IF the story is true, it would be pretty funny if Undertaker were told that he was being considered for a Hall of Fame spot, but wouldn't be inducted because it would mesh with his character.
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Old 04-17-2005, 04:02 AM   #29
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Dude... Mark prolly just found a couple of cheap hookers to join him and his wife in some sleazy foursome while shooting up on cocaine and drinking bloody Mary's. You guys are all reading too much into this.
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Old 04-17-2005, 10:26 AM   #30
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Can't see it being true. It's not 1991 anymore. Everyone saw the Biker Taker gimmick and the real Mark Callaway. Plus Taker worked with Hogan a couple of years ago and there were no talk of beefs then.
Seeing the Biker Taker doesn't really matter though. The WWE expects us to have a 15 second attention span.

*Entrance music hits...Rollin rollin rollin rollin*

Hey, wasn't he OH LOOKIT THE FLASHY LIGHTS!
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Old 04-17-2005, 01:34 PM   #31
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I'm sure both guys would get hurt in a legit shoot fight against each other.
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You cant discredit what Taker has done for the WWE.

Of course guys like Rock, Austin and Hogan have made more money for the company, but Taker has been a constant, and has been loyal to Vince, even when the compnay was at its lowest points. Also, Taker has been a major part of some of the biggest shows in the history of the WWE, as well as a few of the top rated matches on TV. So its not like he hasn't contributed to their success.

There is also the fact that Taker and Bret kept the comapny afloat during the time when the likes of Hogan and co left for WCW, so Vince should always show him loyalty.

Granted Taker could do more to better the company, in terms of putting guys over, but that can be said for just about every main eventer, except Rock.
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