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Old 04-24-2005, 10:34 AM   #1
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If Hulk Hogan's gimmick were introduced in this day and age would it have the same...
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:37 AM   #2
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Yeah,probably,because of this whole War On Terrorism stuff and Hogan being the big American Patriot.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:39 AM   #3
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Yeah,probably,because of this whole War On Terrorism stuff and Hogan being the big American Patriot.
I disagree.

Hogan's gimmick was in large part based upong his dominance in ring in a way that was best suited for the mroe cartoony 80s.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:40 AM   #4
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It'd have an impact if it hadn't been done before, but would be nowhere near as popular as it was in the 80's.
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Old 04-24-2005, 12:44 PM   #5
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no, especially if he was on smackdown. He ain't hip enough and he tries to speak proper English so he wouldn't be popular at all. and his entrance music isn't some silly urban sounding nonsense. But if he were on Raw he would be popular as he would take up TV time so basically Raw would consist of HHH and Hogan taking up half the show.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:25 PM   #6
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yes vince likes big hosses, and batasta looks alot like hogan did in the early 80's except hogan could work the mic.
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Old 04-24-2005, 01:45 PM   #7
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no, especially if he was on smackdown. He ain't hip enough and he tries to speak proper English so he wouldn't be popular at all. and his entrance music isn't some silly urban sounding nonsense. But if he were on Raw he would be popular as he would take up TV time so basically Raw would consist of HHH and Hogan taking up half the show.
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:08 PM   #8
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Probably. Just look at Goldberg, 2 moves and indestructable, same as Hogan in the 80's.
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Old 04-24-2005, 02:17 PM   #9
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No.

He'd be popular and a huge star, but Hulk Hogan revolutionized the industry in the 80's. He put wrestling on the map. That's not happening again with what is essentially a milk and cookies, cartoony good guy gimmick.
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Old 04-24-2005, 04:00 PM   #10
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Probably. Just look at Goldberg, 2 moves and indestructable, same as Hogan in the 80's.
Except Goldberg wasn't a Goody-two-shoes, say your prayers, take your vitamins white hat.
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Old 04-24-2005, 05:13 PM   #11
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goldberg sucked on the mic if he could talk thats what he would say becouse he was the top face.
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Old 04-24-2005, 06:26 PM   #12
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HE would for a while, then he would JOB to HHH, and he would be stuck int he mid card against Christian.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:36 PM   #13
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That was the dumbest thing I've heard since...

Well, since this morning, but you get the point.
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Old 04-24-2005, 07:51 PM   #14
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I don't think it would have the same impact. I believe back then the WWE was aimed more towards kids I think... That's not the case today....I Think...
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:42 PM   #15
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I don't think it would have the same impact. I believe back then the WWE was aimed more towards kids I think... That's not the case today....I Think...
I agree. There's a slightly different market now, among other things.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:03 PM   #16
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Exactly. I mean I just can't see a guy like say...The Ultimate Warrior, having as much success as back in the day. Remember how they had to change Hogan's gimmick in the WCW? Yeah, this might be the reason. People got tired of Hulkamania.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:14 PM   #17
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No freakin' way.

Hogan was king in the days when pro wrestling wasn't about technicality or speed. It was about over the top, interesting characters - the wrestling was barely a factor. The Hogan character got over because he was so huge and unstoppable and had great charisma - but he was never a great wrestler (not like Dynamite Kid or Rick Steamboat were great wrestlers anyways).

Had Hogan been born 20 years later and was just coming into the business today, the Hulk Hogan gimmick would never work. It would look ridiculous against the likes of Triple H, Brock Lesnar (before his departure), Chris Jericho, John Cena, Eddie Guerrero and Kurt Angle. Not only can all of them wrestle better than him, but they're "cooler" than him. An old dude in yellow panties spouting off lines about eating your vitamins and saying your prayers would get shit on.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:32 PM   #18
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An old dude in yellow panties spouting off lines about eating your vitamins and saying your prayers would get shit on.
But enough about Orton's effect on the biz...
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:39 PM   #19
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Anyway, I think many of the gimmicks from the 80s and early 90s wouldn't get over nowadays. You had dentists, clowns and repomen. Then there's almost everything involving the Undertaker. Kane, the Ministry, etc.

They don't go over now because the WWE is a different animal 10-20 years later. If Taker and Kane weren't already established, they'd probably be ridiculed (Assuming this was a pre-evolved Kane). E*C and the brood's stuff wouldn't have worked either.

Still, some gimmicks transfer well. It's just that there's not really that much of a place for cartoony or supernatural in the current WWE.
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Old 04-24-2005, 11:54 PM   #20
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Whoah there, I don't car what day or age it is, "Doink, the evil clown" is ALWAYS awesome.
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:27 AM   #21
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Whoah there, I don't car what day or age it is, "Doink, the evil clown" is ALWAYS awesome.
I have to disagree. Doink is just another.... no wait.. What am I talking about? Doink the Clown is indeed welcome any time. That clown will work in any era no matter what
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:48 AM   #22
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Hogan was king in the days when pro wrestling wasn't about technicality or speed. It was about over the top, characters - the wrestling was barely a factor.
You just described the current state of the business.
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Old 04-25-2005, 01:34 AM   #23
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Maybe I have had to much rootbeer and cookies and my bloodsugar is all f'd up, but for some reason I can see Hogan, if he were debuting tomarrow, wearing Hulkamania underoos in a lingerie pillow fight against Christy. It would kick off the new Diva search.
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You just described the current state of the business.
Any Hogan Match from the 80's < Any Match feat. Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Triple H, Orton, Shawn Michaels, Rock, Austin, etc
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No. If a young Hogan himself was introduced into the industry at this point (if you know what I mean), he'd still have been one of the biggest stars, because he, unquestionably, has "it".

But that gimmick would definitely not have worked today, it would have seemed stupid and childish.
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Any Hogan Match from the 80's < Any Match feat. Angle, Benoit, Jericho, Triple H, Orton, Shawn Michaels, Rock, Austin, etc
What you had said before was
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"in the days when pro wrestling wasn't about technicality or speed. It was about over the top, interesting characters - the wrestling was barely a factor"
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While that may be correct in some aspects, it is incorrect in many others - and it definitely does describe today's wrestling scene. Wrestling today is definitely more about the characters / physical look, and less about any type of actual ability. Therefore people like Carlito, John Cena, Snitsky, etc. all have jobs. If it were based on ability, they'd be working regular 9 to 5 jobs.

Also, while it may be true that during his original run WWF was in transition to more gimmicks / characters, ALL of wrestling was not about characters - as a matter of fact, more of it was about the wrestling aspect. NWA employed a great deal of fantastic talents, the majority of whom were employed based on talent and ability, NOT on their gimmick. Fans then were more appreciative of the actual wrestling talents, not like now where marks go crazy for bland, below average talents like Orton, or someone as overrated as HHH.
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Don't mistake this for me saying that that specific gimmick would work now, because it wouldn't - but I am saying that the statement of wrestling today being more about actual ability than it was back then is incorrect.
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:09 PM   #28
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The wrestling target audience back in the 80's were children. Today it is teens and young adults. Much different.

Piper however would have done amazing if he came out in this era.
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You were right except Orton isn't below average.
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You were right except Orton isn't below average.
In terms of wrestling ability, yes he is.
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In terms of wrestling ability, yes he is.
I don't want to turn this into a thread about Orton, but.

Orton before his injury was wrestling better then anyone on the roster. I have said it before and I will say it again Orton sells better then anyone in the WWE.

Also keeping it on topic Hogan's gimmick/superhero gimmick will never work again. It has already been said but No one wants to see that anymore.
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Oh Good God. Bullshit.
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:02 PM   #33
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I don't want to turn this into a thread about Orton, but.

Orton before his injury was wrestling better then anyone on the roster. I have said it before and I will say it again Orton sells better then anyone in the WWE.

Also keeping it on topic Hogan's gimmick/superhero gimmick will never work again. It has already been said but No one wants to see that anymore.

WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU WATCHING?


Benoit? Jericho? Benjamin? Guerrero? Haas? Bobcore?
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:04 PM   #34
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Seriously, Orton sucks. He is below average in EVERYTHING. Every "great" match he had, he was carried. Selling is more than crawling around the mat and holding your back after a slam.

Mic Skills- Meh.
Charisma- Meh.
In-Ring Talent- Meh.

The onle thing he has is a pretty boy face. THAT IS IT!
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:31 PM   #35
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WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU WATCHING?


Benoit? Jericho? Benjamin? Guerrero? Haas? Bobcore?
Like I said don't want to turn this into a thread about Orton.

Jericho right now is so overrated. All of his matches are the same and pretty much same for Benoit, but Benoit has wreslted better then Jericho this year.

Benoit's match with Shelton was much better then the 2 Jerciho/ Benoit matches

Shelton is great but I still do not think that he had better matches then Orton so far this year on RAW. I didn't really see any matches of Guerrero's before WM so I don't know.

So far though this year Orton and Christian have had the match of the year on RAW. While Y2J hasn't done anything interesting excpet take that Bulldog from Shleton the RAW after WM.
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Shut up, Jericho hasn't been an immature prick backstage has he? Orton hasn't been SCREWED over the past 4 years, has he? So don't even get me defending Jericho because I swear to God that I WILL WIN!


VIVA LA JERICHO!!!!!
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Like I said don't want to turn this into a thread about Orton.

Jericho right now is so overrated. All of his matches are the same and pretty much same for Benoit, but Benoit has wreslted better then Jericho this year.

Benoit's match with Shelton was much better then the 2 Jerciho/ Benoit matches

Shelton is great but I still do not think that he had better matches then Orton so far this year on RAW. I didn't really see any matches of Guerrero's before WM so I don't know.

So far though this year Orton and Christian have had the match of the year on RAW. While Y2J hasn't done anything interesting excpet take that Bulldog from Shleton the RAW after WM.
So wait. Doing something interesting is required to be a good wrestler? And the lack of such makes Jericho worse than Orton?

I present to you the greatest wrestler on Raw...GOOD OLD JR!

But seriously. You're basically arguing that a wrestler is superior because of a push. But while I think Orton's a great ENTERTAINER, I think he loses to even the "we'll only let you do 3 moves" version of Jericho, he definitely loses to Eddie and Angle, and he certainly should be considered subpar.
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:10 PM   #39
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KK, you are giving the golden boy too much credit.
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Possibly, but Loose Cannon has a gun to my back. Turns out he's still a closet Ortonite.
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