Yankees or Red Sox

**BCWWF** · 05-28-2005, 02:28 PM

It's pretty obvious that one of these teams is going to make the playoffs now, but honestly the chances aren't that great for both of them to. Between Chicago, Minnesota, Texas, Anaheim, and Baltimore, I can't see both the Sox and Yanks getting in this year.

For me, I would rather see the Yankees get into the playoffs. I hate when people try to make Boston look like an underdog, they have the same image that the A's and Twins do, but you'd have to combine and double their payrolls to equal Boston. They are the Yankees but just won't admit it. At least the Yankees admit that they are the bad guys and are open about spending all that money. It wasn't bad until they won the World Series, because now they have nothing to say. They don't have a curse, they are just the Yankees with shaggy hair.

I really don't understand how people can hate the Yankees so much but love the Red Sox (people not in Boston that is, if you were in Boston you damn well better like them). Remember, they were going to get A-Rod before the Yankees did, they brought on Manny and Pedro pretty much the same way that the Yankees brought on Giambi and Mussina. They are the same team. I just don't like how Boston is portrayed as underdogs.

**BCWWF** · 05-28-2005, 02:30 PM

I guess I pretty much know the Red Sox are going to win, because everybody already "hates the yankees", but honestly whats the difference, besides success?

**The Icon of Elisim** · 05-28-2005, 03:08 PM

The Red Sox team is full of guys who seem like they are having fun and are happy to be there.

Yankees have alot of players who come off as cocky guys, jerks and sell outs. This year the team is alot more likeable, but they still have alot of guys on the team that you'd want to punch if you knew them.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 05-28-2005, 03:16 PM

For example, Yankees sign Giambi to a huge contract while the Red Sox sign Varitek to a huge contract.

They both spend big, but the Sox spend it on much different players.

**BCWWF** · 05-29-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Icon of Elisim

For example, Yankees sign Giambi to a huge contract while the Red Sox sign Varitek to a huge contract.

They both spend big, but the Sox spend it on much different players.

Thats true in a way, but look at the guys the Red Sox have that they have brought aboard with big contracts. Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Edgar Renteria, Johnny Damon, Keith Foulke. It is pretty much the same thing as the Yankees, all of those players came from teams who could no longer afford them.

I'm not supporting the Yankees tactics, and really their choice of players has been a bust in the past two years. I think that rivalry is great, they are the two most expensive teams in the league and probably the most well known, but I just don't like how the Red Sox make themselves out to be underdogs. What they did last year was something amazing, come back from down 0-3, an epic way to end the curse, but I just want to see them miss the playoffs more then I do the Yankees. I guess spite is probably the biggest reason.

I doubt it would happen, but the AL playoffs could potentially be the Rangers, White Sox, Twins, and Orioles. Wouldn't that be the day?

**House of Pancakes** · 05-28-2005, 05:51 PM

giambi got cancer and then did steroids and fucked up his career, but the first couple of years he was a yankee, he absolutely tore it up as one of the best hitters in the american league.

**MVP** · 05-28-2005, 06:16 PM

I live in New England, there's your answer.

Though I will admit that the Red Sox are similar to the Yankees in terms of spending money for players, TIOE hit it right on the head saying that the Red Sox are a bunch of players who enjoy being on the team...except Pedro that is.

**John la Rock** · 05-28-2005, 08:59 PM

BLUE JAYS

**John la Rock** · 05-28-2005, 09:00 PM

Me personally got tired of the Yankees after they won the 4 World Series in 5 years

**House of Pancakes** · 05-29-2005, 11:10 AM

well, the difference between the yankees and the red sox in terms of spending money is that, really, the yankees have an essentially bottomless payroll. the red sox have a gigantic payroll, but it's limited, and the reason why many yankee-haters complain about the yankees is that if the yankees want a player, nobody can outbid them for him.

however, i think this talk of payrolls is nonsense. how much a team spends does not correlate with how much the team wins. look at the world series champions the past couple of years! florida has two of the last seven titles. anaheim [when their payroll wasn't as big as it is now] won in 2001 with small-ball. the twins and a's consistently win their divisions.

meanwhile, the dodgers, phillies, and the mets have three of the biggest payrolls in baseball, and they disappoint year after year. i'm not saying it's not unfair to a degree, but all of this yankee-bashing comes from people who's teams just don't know how to win when it counts, and that's a quality money can't buy.

**The Miz** · 05-29-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by House of Pancakes

meanwhile, the dodgers, phillies, and the mets have three of the biggest payrolls in baseball, and they disappoint year after year. i'm not saying it's not unfair to a degree, but all of this yankee-bashing comes from people who's teams just don't know how to win when it counts, and that's a quality money can't buy.

I guess the Yankees haven't been dissapointing, considering they've had the best lineup in baseball for the last 4 years and have not won anything. The Yankees win when it counts though, right? Like Game 4 of the ALCS? Or Game 5? Or Game 6? Or Game 7?

**bigdaddysuperfreak** · 05-29-2005, 11:54 AM

I think the people who complain about the yankees payroll have only themselves to blame. If they supported their teams more they wouldnt be so broke. You cant go anywhere in NYC without seeing a yankees symbol on a peice of clothing. Im sure the same thing goes for the red sox in boston.

**The Miz** · 05-29-2005, 12:11 PM

The problem with small-market teams is that they can be good for a few years but can never really build on anything. Look at the A's, they were awesome for 4 or 5 years but they couldn't afford to keep any of their good players. If you reply to this post with "Eric Chavez" you are a dickhead. If this team could afford to keep Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Hernandez, Hudson, Mulder, or any of the countless stars they've lost over the years they'd be competing with the Angels and Rangers right now.

**YOUR Hero** · 06-10-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

The problem with small-market teams is that they can be good for a few years but can never really build on anything. Look at the A's, they were awesome for 4 or 5 years but they couldn't afford to keep any of their good players. If you reply to this post with "Eric Chavez" you are a dickhead. If this team could afford to keep Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Hernandez, Hudson, Mulder, or any of the countless stars they've lost over the years they'd be competing with the Angels and Rangers right now.

No, they'd be destroying them.

**bigdaddysuperfreak** · 05-29-2005, 12:15 PM

But if you look at the overall the yankees come through, except that stint in the 80s-early 90s

**The Miz** · 05-29-2005, 12:26 PM

I assume he was talking about recent years. The mid 90's teams were completely different. Regardless, the 2004 Yankees were the biggest chokers in the history of baseball, but apparently they win when it counts.

**bigdaddysuperfreak** · 05-29-2005, 12:33 PM

Yes they did choke, as every team in history has done at one point or another. It is only magnified because they are so great.

**Loose Cannon** · 05-29-2005, 12:39 PM

fuck, hit Red Sox by accident.

**Triple A** · 05-29-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

fuck, hit Red Sox by accident.

lol

**House of Pancakes** · 05-29-2005, 06:32 PM

i never said the yankees haven't been disappointing in the past couple of seasons. that just furthers my point about having the flexibility of a huge payroll not correlating to winning a championship.

**weather vane** · 05-29-2005, 07:48 PM

Red Sox now and forever children.

**Gone Mad** · 05-29-2005, 08:16 PM

And the lord said GO SOX! I am a Marlins fan first, but I dig those crazy Sox alot more than I would the Yanks.

**BCWWF** · 05-30-2005, 02:22 AM

I don't think anybody outside of New York was a bit dissapointed when the Sox came back and won the World Series in the fashion that they did, but now that they did it makes me question what makes them any more likeable then the Yankees? They are the same team.

**The Highlander** · 06-10-2005, 02:56 PM

The World Series, thanks to teams like the Yankoffs and Red Sucks, is about as meaningless as the WWE Heavyweight title. When are teams like Cincinnatti, Washington, Cleveland, Colorodo, and my Pittsburgh Pirates are duking it out in the top spots, them maybe it'll get some meaning, but for now, the world series is a cheap peice of trash bought by big market money.

**The Miz** · 06-10-2005, 03:25 PM

The Florida Marlins

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-10-2005, 08:49 PM

Everyone likes the Red Sox more than the Yankees because the Red Sox are awesome. Also because they have more a "fun" attitude while dudes on the Yankees can't even have facial hair

**road doggy dogg** · 06-10-2005, 09:09 PM

RBM dislikes Derek Jeter with a passion, so I will side with the Red Sox by process of elimination.

**Face Heely** · 06-10-2005, 09:25 PM

There's also the fact that, while it's constantly thrown about that Red Sox and Yankees employ a similar "spend, spend, spend!" strategy to get to the top, the Yanks have won 26 championships. Twenty-six. That little fact gets left out - that's why the Red Sox are the "underdogs."

Think about it. If you had a freakin' huge boxer fighting light- and middle-weights all the time, but still managing to lose an awful lot (especially when faced against his slightly-bigger and highly successful rival), wouldn't he eventually be seen as an underdog? And finally, he gets the big win, could you honestly, sensibly, look at his futile record (say, 1-and-86), and say that because he's a big guy, and he happens to be the champ right now, that he's no more an underdog than his massive, glorified, highly succesful rival?

(Live in New Jersey, but go to school in Maine. It's a lot easier to be a Sox fan in New England, lemme tell ya...)

**BCWWF** · 06-10-2005, 10:40 PM

That just proves that the Red Sox are retarded then. Spending money and not getting results is supposed to be a New York thing, obviously the Red Sox and Yankees got mixed up.

BTW, the Cubs are so stupid, I hate them. They aren't cool at all. Also, why don't people ever talk about the curse of the White Sox? Don't think have a longer streak without a World Series?

The Red Sox had a legit curse IMO, the Cubs curse is just bullshit cunt rag bitch fuck damn shit fuck.

**Zen v.W.o.** · 06-10-2005, 11:04 PM

Hmmm, they both suck.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 06-15-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

That just proves that the Red Sox are retarded then. Spending money and not getting results is supposed to be a New York thing, obviously the Red Sox and Yankees got mixed up.

No it doesnt prove they are retarded. The Yankees still spend a lot more than the Red Sox. If the Red Sox and Yankees where in differnet divisions I think things would be a whole lot different.

**Savio** · 06-15-2005, 03:21 PM

I hate the Sox they made base ball not interesting.

**Innovator** · 06-15-2005, 03:33 PM

I like how when big star players come to the Yanks, they decide to slack off. Giambi sucks, Randy Johnson has only been worth it in his last start, Womack goes down looking, Kevin Brown.......yeah.

A-Rod is playing like A-Rod again, batting around .312. Everytime I see Giambi in the line-up instead of Tino I curse out Torre.

With that said, Go Yanks

**BCWWF** · 06-16-2005, 02:57 AM

I dunno, I just think that the Red Sox are the exact same team as the Yankees, but they play the role and market themselves as the opposite. I thought the Sox were the greatest when they had the curse and couldn't beat the big bad empire, but now that the curse has been broken there is nothing special anymore. They spend nearly as much money, but they just have the look of your normal, friendly, everyday, working class guys. There are plenty of teams out there like that, Cincinatti, Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, Texas, etc.

I just choose the Yankees in this decision now because I figure, if you are going to do it, you might as well not hide from it.

**BCWWF** · 06-16-2005, 05:45 AM

In a few hours I have changed my mind.

I kind of like the idea now. You have the Yankees, who are like the empire, the bad guys. They are so big and so powerful, the Twins can't even hope to compete with them when it comes to free agency etc. But then there are the good guys. The Red Sox are the only team that can compete with the Yankees, and they really are the good guys. I don't know, I just watched their highlight on Sports Center from tonight and it completely made me change my mind.

What got me though, was that after the Red Sox won the World Series, they almost turned to the dark side. Everybody got really cocky and thought they were the shit. I think now they are back to the good guys. The guys who the rest of us can root for to unseed the big empire when our little guys can't pull through.

It really is all kind of thrown off by the Yankees utter shit season though. Completely dismantle that team besides A-Rod, Jeter, Matsui, and Cano and they might have a chance in 07.

05-28-2005, 02:28 PM	#1
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Yankees or Red Sox It's pretty obvious that one of these teams is going to make the playoffs now, but honestly the chances aren't that great for both of them to. Between Chicago, Minnesota, Texas, Anaheim, and Baltimore, I can't see both the Sox and Yanks getting in this year. For me, I would rather see the Yankees get into the playoffs. I hate when people try to make Boston look like an underdog, they have the same image that the A's and Twins do, but you'd have to combine and double their payrolls to equal Boston. They are the Yankees but just won't admit it. At least the Yankees admit that they are the bad guys and are open about spending all that money. It wasn't bad until they won the World Series, because now they have nothing to say. They don't have a curse, they are just the Yankees with shaggy hair. I really don't understand how people can hate the Yankees so much but love the Red Sox (people not in Boston that is, if you were in Boston you damn well better like them). Remember, they were going to get A-Rod before the Yankees did, they brought on Manny and Pedro pretty much the same way that the Yankees brought on Giambi and Mussina. They are the same team. I just don't like how Boston is portrayed as underdogs. Dont Mess With Kids

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05-28-2005, 02:30 PM	#2
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I guess I pretty much know the Red Sox are going to win, because everybody already "hates the yankees", but honestly whats the difference, besides success?

05-28-2005, 03:08 PM	#3
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	The Red Sox team is full of guys who seem like they are having fun and are happy to be there. Yankees have alot of players who come off as cocky guys, jerks and sell outs. This year the team is alot more likeable, but they still have alot of guys on the team that you'd want to punch if you knew them.

05-28-2005, 03:16 PM	#4
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	For example, Yankees sign Giambi to a huge contract while the Red Sox sign Varitek to a huge contract. They both spend big, but the Sox spend it on much different players.

05-28-2005, 05:51 PM	#6
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	giambi got cancer and then did steroids and fucked up his career, but the first couple of years he was a yankee, he absolutely tore it up as one of the best hitters in the american league.

05-28-2005, 06:16 PM	#7
MVP Mas Vagina Porfavor Posts: 11,343	I live in New England, there's your answer. Though I will admit that the Red Sox are similar to the Yankees in terms of spending money for players, TIOE hit it right on the head saying that the Red Sox are a bunch of players who enjoy being on the team...except Pedro that is.

05-28-2005, 08:59 PM	#8
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	BLUE JAYS

05-28-2005, 09:00 PM	#9
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	Me personally got tired of the Yankees after they won the 4 World Series in 5 years

05-29-2005, 11:10 AM	#10
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	well, the difference between the yankees and the red sox in terms of spending money is that, really, the yankees have an essentially bottomless payroll. the red sox have a gigantic payroll, but it's limited, and the reason why many yankee-haters complain about the yankees is that if the yankees want a player, nobody can outbid them for him. however, i think this talk of payrolls is nonsense. how much a team spends does not correlate with how much the team wins. look at the world series champions the past couple of years! florida has two of the last seven titles. anaheim [when their payroll wasn't as big as it is now] won in 2001 with small-ball. the twins and a's consistently win their divisions. meanwhile, the dodgers, phillies, and the mets have three of the biggest payrolls in baseball, and they disappoint year after year. i'm not saying it's not unfair to a degree, but all of this yankee-bashing comes from people who's teams just don't know how to win when it counts, and that's a quality money can't buy.

05-29-2005, 11:54 AM	#12
bigdaddysuperfreak George"The Animal"Steele Posts: 9,047	I think the people who complain about the yankees payroll have only themselves to blame. If they supported their teams more they wouldnt be so broke. You cant go anywhere in NYC without seeing a yankees symbol on a peice of clothing. Im sure the same thing goes for the red sox in boston.

05-29-2005, 12:11 PM	#13
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The problem with small-market teams is that they can be good for a few years but can never really build on anything. Look at the A's, they were awesome for 4 or 5 years but they couldn't afford to keep any of their good players. If you reply to this post with "Eric Chavez" you are a dickhead. If this team could afford to keep Tejada, Giambi, Damon, Hernandez, Hudson, Mulder, or any of the countless stars they've lost over the years they'd be competing with the Angels and Rangers right now.

05-29-2005, 12:15 PM	#15
bigdaddysuperfreak George"The Animal"Steele Posts: 9,047	But if you look at the overall the yankees come through, except that stint in the 80s-early 90s

05-29-2005, 12:26 PM	#16
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	I assume he was talking about recent years. The mid 90's teams were completely different. Regardless, the 2004 Yankees were the biggest chokers in the history of baseball, but apparently they win when it counts.

05-29-2005, 12:33 PM	#17
bigdaddysuperfreak George"The Animal"Steele Posts: 9,047	Yes they did choke, as every team in history has done at one point or another. It is only magnified because they are so great.

05-29-2005, 12:39 PM	#18
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	fuck, hit Red Sox by accident.

05-29-2005, 06:32 PM	#20
House of Pancakes Suicide's on the menu Posts: 914	i never said the yankees haven't been disappointing in the past couple of seasons. that just furthers my point about having the flexibility of a huge payroll not correlating to winning a championship.

05-29-2005, 07:48 PM	#21
weather vane quesque fuck? Posts: 23,552	Red Sox now and forever children.

05-29-2005, 08:16 PM	#22
Gone Mad EL MERO MERO! Posts: 4,259	And the lord said GO SOX! I am a Marlins fan first, but I dig those crazy Sox alot more than I would the Yanks.

05-30-2005, 02:22 AM	#23
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I don't think anybody outside of New York was a bit dissapointed when the Sox came back and won the World Series in the fashion that they did, but now that they did it makes me question what makes them any more likeable then the Yankees? They are the same team.

06-10-2005, 02:56 PM	#24
The Highlander A Pittsburgh Original Posts: 175	The World Series, thanks to teams like the Yankoffs and Red Sucks, is about as meaningless as the WWE Heavyweight title. When are teams like Cincinnatti, Washington, Cleveland, Colorodo, and my Pittsburgh Pirates are duking it out in the top spots, them maybe it'll get some meaning, but for now, the world series is a cheap peice of trash bought by big market money.

06-10-2005, 03:25 PM	#25
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	The Florida Marlins

06-10-2005, 08:49 PM	#26
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Everyone likes the Red Sox more than the Yankees because the Red Sox are awesome. Also because they have more a "fun" attitude while dudes on the Yankees can't even have facial hair

06-10-2005, 09:09 PM	#27
road doggy dogg wekasauce Posts: 106,857	RBM dislikes Derek Jeter with a passion, so I will side with the Red Sox by process of elimination.

06-10-2005, 09:25 PM	#28
Face Heely Bucky F'N Barnes Posts: 599	There's also the fact that, while it's constantly thrown about that Red Sox and Yankees employ a similar "spend, spend, spend!" strategy to get to the top, the Yanks have won 26 championships. Twenty-six. That little fact gets left out - that's why the Red Sox are the "underdogs." Think about it. If you had a freakin' huge boxer fighting light- and middle-weights all the time, but still managing to lose an awful lot (especially when faced against his slightly-bigger and highly successful rival), wouldn't he eventually be seen as an underdog? And finally, he gets the big win, could you honestly, sensibly, look at his futile record (say, 1-and-86), and say that because he's a big guy, and he happens to be the champ right now, that he's no more an underdog than his massive, glorified, highly succesful rival? (Live in New Jersey, but go to school in Maine. It's a lot easier to be a Sox fan in New England, lemme tell ya...)

06-10-2005, 10:40 PM	#29
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	That just proves that the Red Sox are retarded then. Spending money and not getting results is supposed to be a New York thing, obviously the Red Sox and Yankees got mixed up. BTW, the Cubs are so stupid, I hate them. They aren't cool at all. Also, why don't people ever talk about the curse of the White Sox? Don't think have a longer streak without a World Series? The Red Sox had a legit curse IMO, the Cubs curse is just bullshit cunt rag bitch fuck damn shit fuck.

06-10-2005, 11:04 PM	#30
Zen v.W.o. GO HABS GO! Posts: 4,018	Hmmm, they both suck.

06-15-2005, 03:21 PM	#32
Savio Spammy Certified Posts: 46,111	I hate the Sox they made base ball not interesting.

06-15-2005, 03:33 PM	#33
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	I like how when big star players come to the Yanks, they decide to slack off. Giambi sucks, Randy Johnson has only been worth it in his last start, Womack goes down looking, Kevin Brown.......yeah. A-Rod is playing like A-Rod again, batting around .312. Everytime I see Giambi in the line-up instead of Tino I curse out Torre. With that said, Go Yanks

06-16-2005, 02:57 AM	#34
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I dunno, I just think that the Red Sox are the exact same team as the Yankees, but they play the role and market themselves as the opposite. I thought the Sox were the greatest when they had the curse and couldn't beat the big bad empire, but now that the curse has been broken there is nothing special anymore. They spend nearly as much money, but they just have the look of your normal, friendly, everyday, working class guys. There are plenty of teams out there like that, Cincinatti, Cleveland, Minnesota, Oakland, Texas, etc. I just choose the Yankees in this decision now because I figure, if you are going to do it, you might as well not hide from it.

06-16-2005, 05:45 AM	#35
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	In a few hours I have changed my mind. I kind of like the idea now. You have the Yankees, who are like the empire, the bad guys. They are so big and so powerful, the Twins can't even hope to compete with them when it comes to free agency etc. But then there are the good guys. The Red Sox are the only team that can compete with the Yankees, and they really are the good guys. I don't know, I just watched their highlight on Sports Center from tonight and it completely made me change my mind. What got me though, was that after the Red Sox won the World Series, they almost turned to the dark side. Everybody got really cocky and thought they were the shit. I think now they are back to the good guys. The guys who the rest of us can root for to unseed the big empire when our little guys can't pull through. It really is all kind of thrown off by the Yankees utter shit season though. Completely dismantle that team besides A-Rod, Jeter, Matsui, and Cano and they might have a chance in 07.