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Old 06-24-2005, 12:43 PM   #1
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Trade between the Phoenix Suns and New York knicks to be announced after Game 7
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Is it possible for both teams to get shittier after a trade
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No fucking way. This trade makes no sense.
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It makes sense that the have 2 gaurds and need to get rid of one, but fuck.

I'll hold my breath.
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Yeah, no legitimate soucre has reported on this. And I believe the first plan was to get rid of JJ since he was going to ask for a huge contract this year. But then they decided to keep everyone the way it was and have 2 sg's.

Get outta here.
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Yeah, no legitimate soucre has reported on this. And I believe the first plan was to get rid of JJ since he was going to ask for a huge contract this year. But then they decided to keep everyone the way it was and have 2 sg's.

Get outta here.
Yeah ESPN is an awful source.
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And how is a bad trade for the Suns? Now Marion and Amare can both play their natural positions and Thomas can play center.
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And how is a bad trade for the Suns? Now Marion and Amare can both play their natural positions and Thomas can play center.
Except Thomas sucks, just like every other player on the Knicks.
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Except Thomas sucks, just like every other player on the Knicks.
Yeah I definately wouldn't want a double double guy on my team. You're so smart David.
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Yeah I definately wouldn't want a double double guy on my team. You're so smart David.
do you think 11 points and 10 rebounds a game worth 14 million a year?
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I understand the trade (clearing cap room) but I don't approve of it. Beggers can;t be choosers I guess.

The only way I won't be as pissed off is if they take Diagu in the draft.
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do you think 11 points and 10 rebounds a game worth 14 million a year?
No I don't which of course is why he doesn't make 14 million a year.
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No I don't which of course is why he doesn't make 14 million a year.
except for the fact that HE DOES.
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No I don't which of course is why he doesn't make 14 million a year.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...nline0624.html


Thomas will be paid about $14 million over the next two seasons and has a player option for $8.1 million for 2007-2008.
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Fuck!

1. The Knicks are so stupid

2. I'm pissed because they were going to give the T-Wolves Kurt Thomas for Wally Szczerbiak.

Going back to 1. Why in the blue hell are the Knicks so adamant about trading Kurt Thomas? The only reason is because he stood up to Marbury or something. So because a very formidable center stands up to a proven loser and douche bag point guard, they trade him for yet another 2 guard? Yeah, we suck, so lets trade Nazi Mohammad and Kurt Thomas and build our team around guards!

Isiah Thomas is seriously so stupid. I was just laughing and hoping that the Wolves would get Thomas, because even though I like Wally, I would give them another shooting guard and take their center.

3. If this trade is legit, the Suns will be a completely different team next year. Maybe they want to do that, but I don't know? Last year they relied on having four guys that could shoot the three. Granted Q definately cooled off and that may have been the reason they weren't as dominant in the end, but I would look to improve on what they have, not change it.

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Actually, he made under 6 million last year, and in the final year of his contract (2008) he makes 8 million. That is a very legitimate price for a guy who can play center, and I mean actually play somewhat. Besides Shaq, Brad Miller, and maybe three other guys, I would prefer to have Thomas. Also, I think he would help the Wolves more then the Suns.

Anyway, Isiah is so stupid
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You Suns fans aren't too good at division huh? 14 divided by 2 does not equal 14.
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Yeah, I guess no more run and gun if this goes through.
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then go to salaries if you want to see what he makes each year.
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2006 - 6,620,062
2007 - 7,355,625
2008 - 8,091,187

So in two years: 13,975,687

So yeah, basically 14 over two years. Which isn't a lot in NBA standards. The only player the Knicks aren't overpaying for right now
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I think it was my reading skills this time.
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http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

2006 - 6,620,062
2007 - 7,355,625
2008 - 8,091,187

So in two years: 13,975,687

So yeah, basically 14 over two years. Which isn't a lot in NBA standards. The only player the Knicks aren't overpaying for right now
Yeah, I was doing the math of 14 mil a year. Which would save the Suns like 800K in the end.

This makes more sense.
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This really isn't a bad move for the Knicks either. Yes, they have a lot of guards, but none of them are particularly good. Thomas wasn't even going to be the starter next year and Sweetney looks like he's going to be a good player. Plus the Knicks can have their pick of Channing Frye, Charlie Villanueva, Sean May, or whatever foreign prospect that might be out their in the draft if they want them.
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Kurt Thomas is good. Joe Johnson is better than Q-Rich

Did the Knicks already have Crawford though? And Allen Houston?
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Kurt Thomas is good. Joe Johnson is better than Q-Rich

Did the Knicks already have Crawford though? And Allen Houston?
Yeah but they'll put Q Rich at small forward so that won't matter.
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I don't know if Allan Houston will play, but he still has two more years under contract for over 20 mil each year. I assume he comes back tho?
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http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-274983c.html

read that about Allan Houston
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My take on the trade: The Suns get better because they can possibly keep Joe Johnson and also get a front court presence to compliment Amare. The Knicks in my opinion get worse because Q-Rich is a chucker, he hit alot of three's last year but his FG% was not very good.

Marbury,Crawford,Houston(possibly) and Q-Rich will not be able to co-exist and will take away each other's shots. Q-Rich is a below average defender in my opinion and the Knicks aren't going to get frontcourt help in this draft as the C prospects aren't that great unless you wait for someone like Bynum or Blatche to develop. Frye is a bust waiting to happen.
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I disagree with the Answer. I am not saying that they will not be a better team, but they will be a very different team, and because of that I don't think they will be as good.

I'll start with Amare. Last years system allowed him to dominate the inside because he played on a team with four perimeter players (or at least Marion could go outside if he wanted to). That was like the reverse Shaq affect, so Amare could go and dunk all the time. In time he may develop into a KG like player, with a great shot, but as of right now he scored by driving. Adding Kurt Thomas will take away Amare's inside presence and make him take more jump shots, and I don't think his low post moves or jump shot are good enough yet.

Then you have Marion. He is the man, one of my favorite players, but I have trouble determining what he is as a player. He puts up amazing statistics year in and year out, but for some reason it seems like you just don't notice him doing it. All of a sudden you realize, hey Marion had 24 points, 10 boards, four steals, three blocks, and five assists. Go figure. He did that as a small forward, and he did it as a power forward. In my opinion, and especially in the Suns case, I prefer him as a power forward now. His blocks and rebounds prove to me that he is a power forward, and by having some three point range and his other random stats it tells me that he is one of, if not the most versitile power forwards in the game. By putting him back at small forward, it takes away his versatility because while he can put up stat lines, he is very similar to a normal small forward. My opinion is that if you can get a small forward to be an effective power forward, then he has a huge advantage based on versatility. He is quicker, has more range, and has a better knack for stealing then the average power forward.

Anybody who knows me at all knows that I really liked watching the Suns play this year, I thought they were the most exciting team in years, but if this trade goes through then I think they will be an average basketball team. No more PG, SG, SG, F, C, now it will just be PG, SG, SF,PF, C. A very different team.

I am going to spare you all from writing too much about this, but as good as Steve Nash is, I don't give him all of the credit for how good that team became. Q really was a big part in it because he was able to his so many three pointers. By losing the three point barrage that they have, they will be built like a regular basketball team :sad:
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Anyway, since it doesn't look like people really looked at it, what Supreme's link said was basically that there is a new clause where the Knicks would be idiots not to cut Allan Houston. Knowing Isiah Thomas they will probably keep him, but just so thats out there.

So it would probably be Marbury-Crawford-Q-?-?

No idea who the Knicks big men are. They are looking like they will end up as the poor mans Suns. Who knows though, maybe they add Richard Jefferson to mix things up more.
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Don't get me wrong I think Frye will be a decent role player but he isn't worth a top ten pick.
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This trade might slow down the Suns in the regular season, but it makes them more of a threat come playoff time. that run n gun shit just doesn't work in the post-season: thats why Dallas changed their roster the year before and now Phoenix.

The Suns got manhandled by the Spurs, they watched San Antonio pretty much score at will, and they relized that winning 60 games doesn't count for much of you can't win a 7 game series when it counts.

I think this is a decent move for them. Now all they need is an on ball defender swingman type to slow down bigger guards and they look like a legit threat.

The Knicks are so far from contending that I don't even care how this effects them.
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