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Old 06-25-2005, 11:05 AM   #1
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Why does everyone think Smackdown is being killed by the draft?
I keep reading posts on this board about how badly Smackdown is being fucked over by the draft. And I just don't get it.

Smackdown has lost Kurt Angle, John Cena and Carlito.

Smackdown has gained Chris Benoit, Randy Orton and Muhammed Hassan

or to put it another way:

Smackdown has lost one of the best wrestlers in the company, a cocky young upstart main eventer, and a charismatic heel

Smackdown has gained one of the best wrestlers in the company, a cocky young upstart main eventer, and a charismatic heel

Apart from the title (which I'm sure will be resolved), I don't see how Smackdown is getting the short end.
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:18 AM   #2
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I think it may just be down to Smackdown losing its touch with some of the wrestlers that most people accociate with Smackdown.
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:27 AM   #3
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Yeah, but the great wrestler is a better wrestler and HUGELY charismatic.

Cena's a young cocky upstart and like 10 times as over. As an understatement.

And Hassan really should be considered on par with Carlito, but afte rthe first two picks...Dats not cul
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:36 AM   #4
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I think the package deal was a lame attempt to keep us from thinking that Smackdown is being beat down by raw.

I think the WWE have a strange notion of, more = better and quantity over quality.
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Old 06-25-2005, 11:37 AM   #5
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Two each, and they'll take place next week when each show gets two picks.

Anyway, I gotta take it back... SD! isn't as screwed as I thought, especially with Psicosis, Super Crazy, and Juventud on the show now. If they return it to its awesome wrestling roots, that'd be pretty cool.

I mean, I read the spoilers, and I STILL marked out three times last night (which has like... never happened).

The Taker lightning bolt was the first cuz I'm a huge Taker fan and that was a fantastic camera angle.

Los Grass Cutters ( ) cracked me up like hell... I hope they make this the cruiser stable Tajiri's yakuza should have been.

And SD! getting Hassan'd was priceless. My brother (who only knew Hassan had been drafted but not when he'd show up) was like "Hassan should interrupt the Big Show" and then

ALAYELAYELAYELAYEYAAAAAA!!!!!

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Old 06-25-2005, 12:08 PM   #7
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Mabye you're right, mabye having Hassan on Smackdown isnt too bad. I suppose we can only wait and see how it turns out
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Two each, and they'll take place next week when each show gets two picks.

Anyway, I gotta take it back... SD! isn't as screwed as I thought, especially with Psicosis, Super Crazy, and Juventud on the show now. If they return it to its awesome wrestling roots, that'd be pretty cool.

I mean, I read the spoilers, and I STILL marked out three times last night (which has like... never happened).

The Taker lightning bolt was the first cuz I'm a huge Taker fan and that was a fantastic camera angle.

Los Grass Cutters ( ) cracked me up like hell... I hope they make this the cruiser stable Tajiri's yakuza should have been.

And SD! getting Hassan'd was priceless. My brother (who only knew Hassan had been drafted but not when he'd show up) was like "Hassan should interrupt the Big Show" and then

ALAYELAYELAYELAYEYAAAAAA!!!!!

Me:
I actually marked out when JBL joined the faces in laying the Smackdown on Hassan and standing with them at the end. Face JBL vs. Hassan? I know it's racist as all hell, but it would be intriguing.

There was a fourth time I marked out, and unexpectedly, too: the appearance of MNM. I mean, yeah, ntohing special. But the entrance with the Paparazzi and the red carpet DOES work.
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Old 06-25-2005, 06:57 PM   #9
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And SD! getting Hassan'd was priceless. My brother (who only knew Hassan had been drafted but not when he'd show up) was like "Hassan should interrupt the Big Show" and then

ALAYELAYELAYELAYEYAAAAAA!!!!!

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LMFAO, Hassan-ing is one of my favorite things about him. The way people get riled up when that music hits....
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Daiviri is the best fucking mic worker in the company.

Seriously.

I also want one thing to happen with Hassan.

When he comes out and the crows is chanting "USA! USA! USA!", I want him to say "I'm from New Jersey, you morons!"
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:25 PM   #11
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Daiviri is the best fucking mic worker in the company.

Seriously.

I also want one thing to happen with Hassan.

When he comes out and the crows is chanting "USA! USA! USA!", I want him to say "I'm from New Jersey, you morons!"
I'd love that. They're probably still chant "USA!" Though. Remember, they did it when Edge and Benoit were the faces, and the only American in the ring was Conway...
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:31 PM   #12
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I'd love that. They're probably still chant "USA!" Though. Remember, they did it when Edge and Benoit were the faces, and the only American in the ring was Conway...
But Benoit is from Alanta remember
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I'd love that. They're probably still chant "USA!" Though. Remember, they did it when Edge and Benoit were the faces, and the only American in the ring was Conway...
That of course is if you count Jersey as a state and not a waste dump
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I'd love that. They're probably still chant "USA!" Though. Remember, they did it when Edge and Benoit were the faces, and the only American in the ring was Conway...
I was at that event.

SmackDown lost Angle, Carlito, and Cena. SmackDown has gained Hassan, Daviri, Orton, Benoit, Psicosis, Guerrara, and Super Crazy. They have Booker, JBL, 'Taker, Big Show, Guerrero, Rey. Haas, etc etc.

Far as I can tell, it's been a fair trade off. Cena is getting stale, and it won't take long for him to start getting ignored by the fans. Carlito is... Meh. Angle is a fair trade off for Benoit, period. Benoit > Angle in wrestling, Angle > Benoit on mic.

Hassan > most of the WWE.

From what I see, SmackDown is getting GOOD trade offs. Hassan will be priceless if they use him right (IE- Not turn him into another Kenzo or Dupree).
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They have Booker, JBL, 'Taker, Big Show, Guerrero, Rey. Haas, etc etc.
As of now, all those guys combined probably aren't the draw that Cena and Angle are. Show, Haas, and Booker especially are nowhere near being draws.

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Far as I can tell, it's been a fair trade off. Cena is getting stale, and it won't take long for him to start getting ignored by the fans. Carlito is... Meh. Angle is a fair trade off for Benoit, period. Benoit > Angle in wrestling, Angle > Benoit on mic.
Cena is stale to who exactly? Net fans? Nearly everyone on this board has commented that in the 3 weeks hes been on Raw, Cena has cut hotter promos than anything he's done the last year on Smackdown. And when you talk about the general fan....just read the house reports and look at his merchandise sale. He's the most popular thing in the WWE and being on raw is only going to make it more so.

AngLe and Benoit are comparable AS WRESTLERS. Angle is better than Benoit in any other way imaginable you could measure a wrestler.

I'm actually stunned at people who can look at the draft up to this point and say it hasn't been lopsided. Vengeance is being headlined by three matches with main event caliber stars That last segment on Raw two weeks back was epic; even Trips was entertaining. SD this past week stuck its 5 top tier guys in the ring and it looked like a has-been convention. And then followed it up by delivering a clunker of an Eddie/Rey match.

SD needed help. Desperately. Not a debatable even trade kind of thing, but a clear cut aquisition of talent. Go ahead and say, 'wait til its done.' But up to this point theres no way to legitimately say Raw didn't win out in this draft.
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Benoit's a better wrestler than Angle. Angle just has more charisma.
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Gotta look at it from a business POV.

They lost the #1 babyface in the comapny in Cena, and replaced him with Chris Benoit, Benoit will NEVER sell any tickets bottom line. He's a great worker, yadda yadda, but he wont sell tickets.

In the heel category they lost Angle in favour of Orton. I think Orton has a lot of potential as a heel and could be a draw one day, but that day wont be for a while. He needs to be built back up a lot. Angle on the other hand is an established top guy, and for right now SD got shafted.

I agree that Hassan for Carlito was an even deal. Although I would say Carlito has more potential, but some people could argue that.

The other problem is that SD lost their World Title. Now they have to create a new one, and SD already had problems with credibility since they always take a back seat to RAW, but now they are creating a belt that means absolutely nothing. Thats going to be tough at the box office, especially when it comes to PPVs.

Now, I'll save LC some time and say the draft isn't over, so we have to judge next Wednesday morning as what the true outcome is. But my whole thing is that SD needed more help than RAW, and we are 60% through the draft and RAW has clearly won so far. Even if SD gets the best of the next two picks, I still dont think its enough to do what needed to be done.
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They lost the #1 babyface in the comapny in Cena, and replaced him with Chris Benoit, Benoit will NEVER sell any tickets bottom line. He's a great worker, yadda yadda, but he wont sell tickets.
I went to Judgment Day in 2003 when it was in Charlotte.

The card was crap (lesnar/show and trips/nash main eventing. SNORE)

I didn't care. I went to see Chris Benoit. Sure, he was only there as part of a crappy 6 man tag match, but I went to see him.

he sold my ticket.
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I went to Judgment Day in 2003 when it was in Charlotte.

The card was crap (lesnar/show and trips/nash main eventing. SNORE)

I didn't care. I went to see Chris Benoit. Sure, he was only there as part of a crappy 6 man tag match, but I went to see him.

he sold my ticket.
If you had a roster full of Chris Benoit's there would be you and 49 other people at every event.

You could then say he sold 50 tickets, but that promotion will also be out of business within months, so.
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If you had a roster full of Chris Benoit's there would be you and 49 other people at every event.

You could then say he sold 50 tickets, but that promotion will also be out of business within months, so.
Yeah, but even the most casual of wrestling fans like watching wrestling because of the wrestling. The WWE needs those workers who can put on a great match. Without them, it'd be like a crappy emo cd, everybody pouting and putting on endless promos....kinda like WCW in its latter years after all of the good wrestlers left.

So in a way, if there were NO Chris Benoit's in your roster, you couldn't sell any tickets either, and WCW kinda proved that.
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If you had a roster full of Chris Benoit's there would be you and 49 other people at every event.

You could then say he sold 50 tickets, but that promotion will also be out of business within months, so.
saying so doesn't make it true.

What about him doesn't draw? He has exciting matches, people pop for him as a face and boo him as a heel. His promo skills aren't the best in the company but they're getting much better.
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I went to Judgment Day in 2003 when it was in Charlotte.

The card was crap (lesnar/show and trips/nash main eventing. SNORE)

I didn't care. I went to see Chris Benoit. Sure, he was only there as part of a crappy 6 man tag match, but I went to see him.

he sold my ticket.
He sold YOUR ticket.

Well okay then. I mean, if you went because of BEnoit, then he must be a huge draw.

You know honestly, there are a lot of people I would go to a show specifically to see. Doesn't mean my desire to see someone makes them a dra wof more than one ticket.
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Old 06-25-2005, 03:50 PM   #30
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On top of that, people who post here are generally pretty big wrestling fans, my guess is that the idea of a PPV coming to your town is enough to get the people here to go, no matter who is on the card.
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Old 06-25-2005, 05:57 PM   #31
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He sold YOUR ticket.

Well okay then. I mean, if you went because of BEnoit, then he must be a huge draw.

You know honestly, there are a lot of people I would go to a show specifically to see. Doesn't mean my desire to see someone makes them a dra wof more than one ticket.
I never said "he's a huge draw". I was refuting the fact that someone said he wasn't a draw at all.
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:43 PM   #32
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Old 06-25-2005, 12:59 PM   #33
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And Cena still gets mixed responses, even against the Undertaker. I mean, come on...Taker's one of the reasons I wonder why I watch wrestling...When 50,000 retards pop at the same time for a cripple, and the guy opposing him is getting a mixed reaction, something's wrong.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:12 PM   #34
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Also, CyNick hit it on the head.

Using generic terms like 'cocky upstart' and 'best wrestler' in no way gives a proper comparison of what the trade actually was. Benoit and Orton are in no way equal to Cena and Angle.

SD needed more starpower. The undercard on their PPV's were jokes. After this draft, it looks like their roster took a step backwards.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:18 PM   #35
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Yeah, now it's not just the undercard.
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:54 PM   #36
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They can always trade people. They could do something crazy like have one of the champions drafted to SD next week, along with like JR. And then Eric is going nuts trying to trade people to get the champ back, offering like 5 people for one champ (more logical if it's HHH). Eric says come on, I'll give you anyone you want to get him back, and Teddy says fine, takes the trade, and then gives him JR, claiming he thoughts that's who he was talking about when he said him...


Errrrr, meh.
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Old 06-25-2005, 02:11 PM   #37
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Old 06-25-2005, 04:30 PM   #38
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CyNick's right. People would rather see entertainment than great wrestling. That's not to say people won't appreciate good wrestling. They just are more oriented towards entertainment value.
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Old 06-25-2005, 04:31 PM   #39
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Good point. I think if anything, if you want the best product possible you need both the real workhorses and the charismatic guys together. If you lose one or the other your fans are going to lose interest.

Getting back to Smackdown however, I don't think by trading Angle for Benoit is that bad. The niche that Angle held can easily be filled with the charisma of Daivari. An intelligent writer could change Big Show's gimmick to utilize his hidden charisma, Taker's still a huge draw, and JBL is still one of the best mic workers in the business.

Besides. There's still two picks left. We may still see a Rey Mysterio trade for Christian or Jericho. As long as they don't touch Taker, Guerrero, or JBL I'll still have hope for Smackdown.
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Daivari needs to ride his camel back out to the desert, maybe make money by selling camel rides to kids in the neighborhood or something cuz he sure as hell can't be understood by 95% of the audiences that do hear him talk in whatever language that is.
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