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Bucky F'N Barnes
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Hassan's Henchmen (SD Spoilers)
So, Smackdown has just started, but I wanna make note of an interesting detail before I forget about it completely. I dunno if this was on all UPN channels, but UPN 9 (New York) ran a scroll along the bottom of the screen saying (roughly), "In light of today's tragic events, parental discretion is advised during parts of this program."
Now, I know as well as the rest of you guys who've already read the spoilers that they're referring to the Hassan/Daivari/"Masked Men" segment - which worries me. I know live accounts are saying it didn't necessarily portray them as terrorists per se, but this warning makes me wonder just how this segment will come across - and whether it'll be edited/chopped down a bit. (If they can even do that with such little notice.) Yeah...dat's not cool. |
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Second City Saint
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yeah, they flashed it across the screen here on UPN Chicago
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Bucky F'N Barnes
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As if the angle wasn't in "bad taste" before.
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Bucky F'N Barnes
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As if the angle wasn't in "bad taste" before.
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I don't think it was in bad taste. Wrestling, in my opinion, is going to have to be more edgy if it hopes to be as popular as it was years ago. While for now Hassan's henchmen might be a little extreme, I feel it's stuff like this that could get people interested.
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Another reason why SD! should go live should it move away from UPN.
Saw that disclaimer as well, on the second hour... |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Oops. Didn't realise there was a thread on it...
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Never showed that disclaimer here in Canada on The Score network.
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Second City Saint
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That was fucking cool.
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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That disclaimer was fucking stupid.
Like it would be better if it was yesterday or tomorrow it aired. |
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I don't see what was so wrong with that. Most of them looked white anyways
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Bucky F'N Barnes
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This whole thing is coming off a lot more...harmless than I expected. The way the whole thing was staged, it felt like your average post-match gang-up, just colored in a way that fit Hassan's character (he's always been rather militaristic in personality, which excuses the camo pants). My fears have been thoroughly assuaged.
(The pre-match pep talk, though, was a bit overdone.) I'll tell ya what, trying to pull this early in Hassan's WWE life woulda been a disaster. Now, though, it's pretty well established that he's a just a natural villain to the core, regardless of race, etc. |
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It was funny to watch the crowd not know how to react
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Then I saw what they did and I was like "Holy fuck, that merits a disclaimer?" |
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The one thing that was funny was Hassan doing his impression of the theme music with arms spread before putting on the Camel Clutch...
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I dunno IMO there taking this whole thing a bit too far. Although I doubt it would have been booked if the bombing in London would have happened before the tapings. Alot of you think it's harmless but I beg to differ. Some say it shouldn't be taking seriously but I guarantee alot of non-wrestling fans were quite offended by the whole thing. Especially how they keep commenting that Daivari (sp?) was a "sacrifice" (almost like a suicide jobber). Then the way those guys in masks carried him away from the ring. Not to mention how those guys were dressed. I dunno, man, I just think the whole thing is in poor taste. Maybe not to wrestling fans but certainly to those affected by the terrorist's actions. But to Vince McMahon any publicity (positive or negative) is good publicity. He didn't have any problems making Sgt. Slaughter an Iraqi sympathizer and having him burn the American flag while the Gulf War was going on. He didn't even seem to mind that at Wrestlemania 7 they had to have extra security because so many people were afraid that someone might try to take a shot a Sgt. Slaughter.
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But I don't see how it really offends people. It's not like it's making fun of those who've died from terrorist attacks, it's just taking what happens in real life and carries it over into the wrestling world.
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Was it offensive? Of course it was. But so was that angle in the early 90's, yet the Sarge is still a fan favorite. |
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Also, Sgt. Slaughter was a fan favorite for years before that storyline in the early 90s. Even the general public (those who don't watch wrestling regularly) have heard of Sgt. Slaughter and therefore they were more aware that it was a storyline. Nobody, other than OVW fans, knew who the Hell Mark Magnus was before Vince brought him up to the big leagues and give him this controversial gimmick. The Sgt. Slaughter storyline was pretty edgy yes but I don't think it's anywhere near being as edgy as this storyline. |
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BAH GAWD THE FIEND! (I'm not making light of 911 or London...But this is asinine...Believe it or not, there were bad terrorist things going on before 11 Sept, you shallow fuck). |
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Look at, say, William Regal. At its simplest, his gimmick is that he's British. If he's a heel, he's a stodgy and arrogant cur; if he's a good guy, he's still got the same gimmick, but it's sold to the audience differently - his aloofness and dry wit are depicted as good things, because he's a good guy. (Who was it, again, that defined morality by the person performing the action, rather than the action itself? The ancient Greeks, perhaps?) Getting back to the subject, Hassan is already a bad guy, so anything he's gonna do is gonna be bad. If we were supposed to see the other side, he'd be booked as a face, and would, perhaps, be dubbed a "freedom fighter." In order to have the good-vs-evil storyline that drives virtually evey wrestling feud (and just about any non-love-story out there), both we and the WWE have to acknowledge that it's just a simple form of entertainment (which it seems they did, by not attempting to blur the line for the sake of realism). |
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But seriously I was shocked at what happened. Next week Hassan should say "I do not support what happened in london but..." |
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BUT NOT IN AMERICA, YA PINKO COMMIE!
...I'll go now. |
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He obviously shouldn't have said it and should've continued to sell how "horrible" what was happening was. But other than a stupid remark by a commentator, it really wasn't that bad. WWE set out to get a reaction, and they did. This will either hurt their reputation in the media or help Hassan's character |
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By the way, Why is that 75% of these forums have to resort to insulting people just because they don't see things eye to eye? Can't you debate a point in mature fashion without resorting to childish name calling? Grow up, dude. |
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No, no they can't. |
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Incidentally, "Might be offended?" What about the soldiers who MIGHT be offended by Cena's Bad Bad man video. BAH GAWD THOSE WOUNDS TOOK YEARS TO HEAL AND SOME PEOPLE NEVER RECOVERED AND IT'S SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE ARMY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFFENDED! I will not deal with your imaginary people who may be offended. Because that argument works for every instance of anything anywhere. If you worry about what might offend, you can never show anything ever again. And until I see the post where you chastised Vince for the Cena video, I'll call you a hypocrite and ignore your tearjerking theatrics. You want respect, try being less like Fox news, and be more like real journalism. |
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