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Old 07-14-2005, 11:31 PM   #1
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SmackDown! segment in bad taste? (Spoiler Warning)
Just curious as to what the folks here thought of the shot that the member of MNM took about Hawk being dead.
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Old 07-14-2005, 11:35 PM   #2
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Old 07-14-2005, 11:42 PM   #3
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10x worse than this whole hassan bullshit.
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Old 07-14-2005, 11:43 PM   #4
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I was thinking how deliciously hypocritical it was of them to air that, but demand Hassan not be on TV.

But again, is there really a lot of GOOD taste in wrestling?
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:19 AM   #5
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That pissed me off more than ANYTHING I've seen in WWE in recent years. Just absolutely disgusting. I've never been so offended by a comment like that. I know Animal probably knew beforehand that they were gonna say that but still I don't see how he kept from breaking character and just going ballistic on those 2 fucks. Yeah I know they were only doing what they were told to do but that's still no excuse for that kind of shit. If I were them I would rather be fired (which is probably what would have happened to MNM if they would have refused to say what they were told to say) than to disrespect the late Mike Hegstrand. No chance of me EVER becoming an MNM fan.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:20 AM   #6
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10x worse than this whole hassan bullshit.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:23 AM   #7
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That pissed me off more than ANYTHING I've seen in WWE in recent years. Just absolutely disgusting. I've never been so offended by a comment like that. I know Animal probably knew beforehand that they were gonna say that but still I don't see how he kept from breaking character and just going ballistic on those 2 fucks. Yeah I know they were only doing what they were told to do but that's still no excuse for that kind of shit. If I were them I would rather be fired (which is probably what would have happened to MNM if they would have refused to say what they were told to say) than to disrespect the late Mike Hegstrand. No chance of me EVER becoming an MNM fan.
how come you keep changing your name?
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:24 AM   #8
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:25 AM   #9
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That was actually kinda amusing.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:27 AM   #10
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That was actually kinda amusing.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:29 AM   #11
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Who is he?
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:31 AM   #12
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:31 AM   #13
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:32 AM   #14
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how come you keep changing your name?
And I can't fucking get mine changed again.. bollocks.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:36 AM   #16
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When I first heard it.. I did "ohhhhhhh" just out of reaction.. the kind of "ohhhh" that you do when someone get's burned really bad.

Then I actually thought about what they said.. and I was like.. "WTF?"
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:44 AM   #17
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Whow you guys are psyco, it was not that big of a deal. It fit in with the segment. Mabey it was not the best thing, but what not that big of a deal.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:46 AM   #18
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:47 AM   #19
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Whow you guys are psyco, it was not that big of a deal. It fit in with the segment. Mabey it was not the best thing, but what not that big of a deal.
Meh, mocking the dead especially for BEING dead is always a big deal to me. I just feel that there were plenty of other ways for them to try to draw heat.
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:48 AM   #20
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Whow you guys are psyco, it was not that big of a deal. It fit in with the segment. Mabey it was not the best thing, but what not that big of a deal.
I don't think people would be reacting as much if everyone didn't have their nipples in a twist last week...
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Old 07-15-2005, 12:52 AM   #21
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Whow you guys are psyco, it was not that big of a deal. It fit in with the segment. Mabey it was not the best thing, but what not that big of a deal.
maybe i took it a little more personal than most fans. Mike (RIP) & Joe are close friends of my father (both guys are from the south side of chicago and Joe was a bouncer at a bar that my dad was a bartender) and so i grew up knowing these guys away from the ring as well.

it was a bullshit line, reguardless if it was agreed on before hand.
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:01 AM   #22
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Tasteless, yes...uncalled for, yes...do I blame MNM for saying it rather than not saying it and risking their jobs? No...

Now if MNM made that up on the fly I hope Animal stiffs them at GAB and they lose their jobs after...but I'm sure they were just told to say it.

Also, as KK stated, it is HORRIBLY hypocritical of them to show this yet not show Hassan's speech.
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:02 AM   #23
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I agree that was a bunch of crap. One thing for putting it into the script, then another for going through with it. Dissing dead people is not a cool thing to do. Johnny wasn't so good this time.
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Old 07-15-2005, 01:24 AM   #24
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...it was true, wasn't it? I mean, it's not like they were making fun of his addiction or anything. If anything, they were mocking Animal for coming after them without a partner.

Sure, it was crass, but it's no more insulting than forcing a connection between a five-man beatdown and terrorism.
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I was like "Ohhhhh... schnap, I can't believe they said that."

But I wasn't offended or anything. Not a good thing to say, but I'm not gonna write the ACLU about it.


Or basically, what loopy said.
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Just curious as to what the folks here thought of the shot that the member of MNM took about Hawk being dead.
They've poked fun at raping dead women, pregnancy, marriage, and a diva's "dying/dead" father. Then, we get the whole French bashing, gay bashing, and terrorist bit. Then Gowen and Eugene...

This seems bad because it's REAL and happened. But people make jokes about dead people all the time, and it was in character. Remember that Vince has no shame at anything...

Tasteless as fuck though.
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Yeah, pretty much what other people in here have said. It was quite tasteless and disrespectful, but the WWE has done many pretty ruthless things in the past. It's part of the storylines in wrestling, just get used to it or stop watching.
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I missed what happened on Smackdown between them, I guess its gotta be bad if he said somethin about Hawk.
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Yeah, pretty much what other people in here have said. It was quite tasteless and disrespectful, but the WWE has done many pretty ruthless things in the past. It's part of the storylines in wrestling, just get used to it or stop watching.
I'm sorry, but I fail to remember the last time someone actually took a shot at a legitimately deceased worker, excluding Raven's angle in TNA with Sabu in which they mentioned the Shiek, and even then, Raven didn't just go, "Okay, Sabu. It'll be a tag match. Me and Erik Watts versus you and the Shiek! Oh wait, the Shiek's dead. "

I hardly think "getting used to it" will be necessary, unless you have some insider information that they're planning on suddenly making dead wrestlers the subject of their promos.
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No, but WWE has made dead fathers the subject of promos on more than one occasion.
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It's not like I was cheering for the Al Wilson situation.
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But you got used to it, didn't you?

Just like you got used to Boss Man and Big Show's father.
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Old 07-15-2005, 02:44 AM   #33
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But you got used to it, didn't you?

Just like you got used to Boss Man and Big Show's father.
Just a question, did either of those angles involve an actual dead guy?

Not saying it makes sense, but people tend to be a little more bothered when the dead guy in question is real, as opposed to fake. For some reason, it's easier to deal with a fake death.

Now Al was staged. Wasn't Show angle also staged tho?
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Old 07-15-2005, 02:48 AM   #34
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Yeah. And that is a good point. There's a definite difference between real and fictional death.

But if they'll stoop to fake death to elicit "laughs," why should we think they're above making jokes involving actual dead people?
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But you got used to it, didn't you?

Just like you got used to Boss Man and Big Show's father.
I think everyone's a little more on edge because this is supposed to be the kinder gentler WWE. After the events of last week, they ended up pulling two guys off the show, and yet did this.

I don't think I'll ever get "used to" the concept of the dead exploited in wrestling. That's me personally. I also personally just go "It's wrestling, that's all." I may talk about Katie Vick or Al Wilson, but I accept that good taste and thought procedures are not typically part of WWE programming.

However, that doesn't make it GOOD. I think it was in questionable taste to bring him up in that fashion, but Hell. Compared to Katie Vick? Eating Pepper? Bossman and Big Show's Dad? Al wilson? Rape, forced marriage, pregnancy angles? The Lita/Kane Snitskty thing actually DID upset my former girlfriend, because she really did miscarry.

And on that note, I will also point out that different things will resonate with different people...Well, differently. Kind of no shit...

If someone feels more disgusted, there's a decent chance that it's more because it's a real person instead of a fake one (Correct me if SHow's dad DID die...I don't remember for the life of me). I'd rank this as worse than last week's programming (Mostly because last week wasn't really that bad until people started putting their own spin on it), but as long as they don't go any further, I won't really be too horribly decinated. It was bad, but it wasn't a new level of bad, or an "I will stop watching you" bad.
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Yeah. And that is a good point. There's a definite difference between real and fictional death.

But if they'll stoop to fake death to elicit "laughs," why should we think they're above making jokes involving actual dead people?
It's fully possible that they will go lower. But may I ask you--What's the point? What difference does it make what they might do? Will you stop watching because you have no guarantee they won't go lower?
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can someone post what they wrote plz..

i haven;t seen it
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Basically what happened was Road Warrior Animal came out and challenged MNM for the tag championships. Nitro then said he didn't have a partner, and that his partner was dead. Which brought Heidenreich over, after he had just gotten beaten up by MNM, to ask to be Animal's partner.
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First of all, lighten up. It's good to know everyone has suddenly become the moral police in regards to talking about the dead. Lets be honest here, shall we? Animal was part of one of the most successful teams in wrestling... The other half died. He's known for that team, so when he challenges someone alone to a tag match, it's obvious he doesn't have a partner anymore, they just pointed out why...

Second, they are promoting the Road Warriors DVD. Now according to that commercial, the video not only highlights their career, but the DEATH of Hawk. Bringing up his death was more likely than not a petty attempt to create an interest in the matter to further sell the DVD...

And Watson, stop blaming MNM. You're telling me you'd give up a good contract with the only big time company in your proffession instead of mentioning the fact that someone was dead? While I don't know you personally, I somehow doubt that
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First of all, lighten up. It's good to know everyone has suddenly become the moral police in regards to talking about the dead. Lets be honest here, shall we? Animal was part of one of the most successful teams in wrestling... The other half died. He's known for that team, so when he challenges someone alone to a tag match, it's obvious he doesn't have a partner anymore, they just pointed out why...

Second, they are promoting the Road Warriors DVD. Now according to that commercial, the video not only highlights their career, but the DEATH of Hawk. Bringing up his death was more likely than not a petty attempt to create an interest in the matter to further sell the DVD...

And Watson, stop blaming MNM. You're telling me you'd give up a good contract with the only big time company in your proffession instead of mentioning the fact that someone was dead? While I don't know you personally, I somehow doubt that
lmao @ the "moral police".

I knew everything you said, but frankly, I STILL can't see how that was the only thing they could've done in this situation. I'm sorry. I just don't see how it was necessary.
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