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Old 07-21-2005, 09:47 PM   #1
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Let me fucking get this straight..
During one of JBL's "Great American" segments, i JUST seen that RONALD FUCKING REAGAN was awarded the "Greatest American Award" of the 20th century. I know this is random, but ....FDR, Martin Luther King Jr., even Michael Jordan, or SOMEBODY else..what did he do?? Maybe this does or doesn't belong in the Wrestling Forum but it was on a wrestling show...any thoughts??
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:51 PM   #2
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Old 07-21-2005, 09:52 PM   #3
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:16 PM   #4
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Er, maybe it was the fact Reagan helped end the Cold War?
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:23 PM   #5
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i agree wit that johnny. u tellin me that ronald reagen got the award over MLK, michael jordan, Malcom X, and others. give me a break
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:32 PM   #6
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lol...you're right. Michael Jordan > Ronald Reagan.

The "Greatest American" award to which the promos alluded was decided in an online vote. Absolutely nothing prestigious about it. The top 25 or so was composed of a ridiculous number of recent names, and there were way too many politicians on the list for my liking.

JBL's "Great American Award" has more importance than Reagan's "Greatest American" title.

(For more laughs, check out the results for "The Greatest Canadian." Bret Hart made it rather far up the list; and some radio DJ gathered enough support for his write-in campaign to catapult him far into the rankings.)
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:58 PM   #8
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Er, maybe it was the fact Reagan helped end the Cold War?
Yea, and FDR lead American through the GREAT DEPRESSION AND WWII..but we just seem to forget about that shit...as the saying goes and i BELIEVE now...once you die, everybody blows you even more..people weren't even thinking about Reagan until he was about to die..as bad as that sounds..

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Old 07-21-2005, 11:35 PM   #9
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Er, maybe it was the fact Reagan helped end the Cold War?
How the fuck do you figure that? The Cold War "ended" because the Russian economy was so lousy that eventually the people rose up and overthrew them. The USA had nothing to do with that. Communism in Europe died of natural causes.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:38 PM   #10
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And what the fuck with Michael Jordan. I'm as big a sports fan as anyone, but how do you compare an athlete with people who have effected actual social and cultural change? At leat bring up someone who tried to speak out on social issues like Arthur Ashe, Muhammed Ali, or Hank Aaron. Not someone like MJ who outside the arena was a heartless corporate schill.
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Old 07-21-2005, 11:45 PM   #11
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:24 AM   #12
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And what the fuck with Michael Jordan. I'm as big a sports fan as anyone, but how do you compare an athlete with people who have effected actual social and cultural change? At leat bring up someone who tried to speak out on social issues like Arthur Ashe, Muhammed Ali, or Hank Aaron. Not someone like MJ who outside the arena was a heartless corporate schill.
Yea, i'll give you those people..lOL shut up NerF
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:29 AM   #13
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How the fuck do you figure that? The Cold War "ended" because the Russian economy was so lousy that eventually the people rose up and overthrew them. The USA had nothing to do with that. Communism in Europe died of natural causes.

As someone who studied Soviet politics I agree with that, Reagan was, as they say, in the right place in the right time.
He didn't end teh Cold War, he ended a period of detente and made the situation worse.
If you want a figurehead, look at the election of Gorbachev as Russian PM, he noticed that the economy was so lousy, mainly due to the arms race and knew that something had to be done.
From what I've learnt Reagan was a lousy leader.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:42 AM   #14
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Actually, from what I've learnt and discussed, Reagan ranks as one of the great presidents of the 20th century, up there (tho prolly a bit behind) FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Truman. I wouldn't say he was just there when the Cold War ended... he used a risky but successful gamble, building up arms, banking on the fact that the Soviet Union wouldn't be able to keep up. His Reaganomics, though partly responsible for a lot of the country's debt today, helped lift the nation out of a huge recession during the period. Morally, he was one of our less scrupulous leaders, and if you compare him to a lot of our other presidents this century, he actually ranks pretty favorably.

Reagan wasn't perfect, but I'd rank him as one of this century's great Americans. Greatest? Nah... prolly not.

But don't forget that FDR actually failed to bring the country out of the Depression for 12 years. It was more of the war that brought us out rather than the New Deal. And a lot of FDR's programs were extremely questionable in terms of Constitutionality and stuff. I'm not saying he was bad... but he was far from perfect as well. Heck, pretty much every president had his faults.



Anyway, what had my brother and I busting up during that JBL segment was what followed the Reagan intro... "JBL almost singlehandedly help lower illegal immigration into the U.S." accompanying a clip of JBL chasing after those illegal immigrants. Totally classic stuff right there.
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Old 07-22-2005, 01:58 AM   #15
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:43 AM   #16
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Old 07-22-2005, 10:20 AM   #17
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But don't forget that FDR actually failed to bring the country out of the Depression for 12 years. It was more of the war that brought us out rather than the New Deal. And a lot of FDR's programs were extremely questionable in terms of Constitutionality and stuff. I'm not saying he was bad... but he was far from perfect as well.
Granted, it was the war that got the US out of the depression, but FDR did his best to try and make things easier to everyone during the depression. If we was doin a crappy job, wouldn't the American people have voted him out after one term? He did get re-elected to 3 more terms, highly unlikely it was a fluke after the first re-election. He must have been doing something right. Or there was just nobody else at the time who would be able to do the job.
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Old 07-22-2005, 10:22 AM   #18
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Sounds like a pretty stupid award to begin with.
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Old 07-22-2005, 12:50 PM   #19
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As most presidents/prime ministers are just figure heads for their party I don't think any of them are worthy to win a "Greatest" (insert country here) title. The only one I could think of that could be worth it is perhaps Churchill. I don't know much about British History, but the man has tonnes of respect around the world for being a tough SOB when they needed it the most.
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Lmao, at Micheal Jordan getting the award. You sure are one crazy guy.
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Anyway, what had my brother and I busting up during that JBL segment was what followed the Reagan intro... "JBL almost singlehandedly help lower illegal immigration into the U.S." accompanying a clip of JBL chasing after those illegal immigrants. Totally classic stuff right there.
One of the best comical moments from WWE in the past few years. I am still chuckling over it when I thought about it earlier today.
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Granted, it was the war that got the US out of the depression, but FDR did his best to try and make things easier to everyone during the depression. If we was doin a crappy job, wouldn't the American people have voted him out after one term? He did get re-elected to 3 more terms, highly unlikely it was a fluke after the first re-election. He must have been doing something right. Or there was just nobody else at the time who would be able to do the job.
Yeah, but he also connected with the people EXTREMELY well, probably more so than any other president in American history. He was so popular that no one else really stood a chance. And it wasn't like the New Deal was a spectacular failure and he still remained popular... it's just that it didn't do the good it was intended to. But it wasn't bad either... it sorta kept us afloat. When you're as over as FDR was, you don't really have to do much to keep the pops coming *cough* Hulk Hogan *cough*

I'm not saying FDR's not great btw... just that you can point out flaws even in FDR.
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Oh and when they did MLK and JBL, two great Americans, did anyone else think of Saviors July 2004 picture of JBL looking around the ring with the caption being "Where'd those nigg*rs go!?"

Savior, bravo, still the best caption ever in my opinion.
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Actually, from what I've learnt and discussed, Reagan ranks as one of the great presidents of the 20th century, up there (tho prolly a bit behind) FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Truman. I wouldn't say he was just there when the Cold War ended... he used a risky but successful gamble, building up arms, banking on the fact that the Soviet Union wouldn't be able to keep up. His Reaganomics, though partly responsible for a lot of the country's debt today, helped lift the nation out of a huge recession during the period. Morally, he was one of our less scrupulous leaders, and if you compare him to a lot of our other presidents this century, he actually ranks pretty favorably.

Reagan wasn't perfect, but I'd rank him as one of this century's great Americans. Greatest? Nah... prolly not.

But don't forget that FDR actually failed to bring the country out of the Depression for 12 years. It was more of the war that brought us out rather than the New Deal. And a lot of FDR's programs were extremely questionable in terms of Constitutionality and stuff. I'm not saying he was bad... but he was far from perfect as well. Heck, pretty much every president had his faults.

Ronald Regan is actually one of the worst presidents of all time. The guy racked up more debt in his year in office then all the presidents before him COMBINED. Now that is a shitty ass president. He is also the genius that came up with trickle down economics, where he gives rich people MORE MONEY hoping they accidently drop a few bucks down to the pesents below them. Regan was a complete douche bag that knew nothing about politics, but was charismatic enough to fool everyone in the United States. No fucking way is he in the same league as even LBJ and LBJ was a terrible president.

As for FDR, there was a very good reason he was elected 4 times. It was because his New Deal was working, and he was getting jobs back. The war just happened to help that even more. He also started the greatest govenment policy througout mankind when he created Social Security. If it weren't for FDR's innovation my grandfather wouldn't be alive right now at the age of 94 because he would have had to work until he died, because he'd have to rely on a shitty pension.

The greatest americans of the 20th Century are Martin Luther King Jr., FDR, and Bob Dylan.
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As most presidents/prime ministers are just figure heads for their party I don't think any of them are worthy to win a "Greatest" (insert country here) title. The only one I could think of that could be worth it is perhaps Churchill. I don't know much about British History, but the man has tonnes of respect around the world for being a tough SOB when they needed it the most.
Churchill was far from a great man. He believed in ethnic purity, and was good friends with Hitler and shared the same ideology. The only reason he and Hitler weren't on the same side as WW2, was two fold. Hitler knew Churchill was vunrable at the start of in the mid 1930's and struck when he throught he could beat the British, rather then them building up arms and being a threat to Germany's World Domination. And the second reason is because Chruchill was allied with the Americans and knew that if the British turned on them, they'd be screwed. Churchill was a tough bastard, but he was also a racist and if he had his druthers he would have been right there with Hitler.
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Gee, adding Bob Dylan in that list of Greatest Americans really makes your posts credible now, eh?
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Originally Posted by The One
Oh and when they did MLK and JBL, two great Americans, did anyone else think of Saviors July 2004 picture of JBL looking around the ring with the caption being "Where'd those nigg*rs go!?"

Savior, bravo, still the best caption ever in my opinion.
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