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Old 07-24-2005, 09:38 PM   #1
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Guess what, noone really cares. It's bike riding.
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The gap between Lance Armstrong and whoever the second-best cyclist in the world is has to be at least 100x bigger than any such gap in sports. I'm not a cycling fan by any means, but this is the single most impressive athletic feat to happen in my lifetime, and it's something that's going to be talked about forever.
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No, Hero's right. It's just bike riding.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:21 AM   #5
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If this wasn't an American, and he hadn't gotten his balls removed or whatever, nobody would even care.

Or put itthis way: how much coverage is given to the dozens and dozens of "major" bike races that occur all year that Lance doesn't enter?
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I'll let you two use that argument as long as you don't think Texas Hold Em is a sport.
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If this wasn't an American, and he hadn't gotten his balls removed or whatever, nobody would even care.

Or put itthis way: how much coverage is given to the dozens and dozens of "major" bike races that occur all year that Lance doesn't enter?
Really, I'm sick of people playing the nationality card on this one. Its an amazing feat no matter if you come from the burbs outside of NYC or if you come from the bushes out in the Savannah of Africa.

Just because it isn't popular doesn't mean that it isn't an amazing achievement.
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No. I don't think Texas Hold Em is a sport. I don't think rythmic gymnastics and ping pong should be in the olympics when baseball and softball isn't. I don't think NASCAR drivers or jockeys are athletes. And I don't think Lance is the be all end all of athletes. Bicyclists have great endurance. But they're basically the guys who didn't have the heart to be long distance runners.
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No one said Lance Armstrong was. That last sentence is just stupid by the way. I'm not even getting into this because the points you're making are just dumb.
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Really, I'm sick of people playing the nationality card on this one. Its an amazing feat no matter if you come from the burbs outside of NYC or if you come from the bushes out in the Savannah of Africa.

Just because it isn't popular doesn't mean that it isn't an amazing achievement.
RahRah ...it's amazing...but do you really think that this coverage isn't due to his being an American. In the 80's Greg LeMond (sp?) won the damn thing a bunch and it was all over TV. And then what happened? Was the news leading off with Tour coverage when Michael indurain was winning? Were people wearing Jan Ullrich shirts? No. Why? Because Americans don't give two shits about the Tour de France unless Americans are winning.
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How many Americans are wearing David Becham shirts though? Or soccer/footy shirts at all? In America of course we are going to support Americans in general.
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No one said Lance Armstrong was. That last sentence is just stupid by the way. I'm not even getting into this because the points you're making are just dumb.
Whatever. Lance Armstrong is a great story. he overcame cancer and he was very brave in the face of something that most people couldnt handle. And I appreciate the fact that he's served as an inspiration for so many people going through cancer. And that he's donated and raised so much money to fight the disease.

But at the end of the day, as a sports fan, he's just a cyclist and I get sick of people reacting like him winning the Tour De France is bigger than the Super Bowl, World Cup, and Wrestlemania all rolled into one.

It's a bike race, and next year when Lance isn;'t there, it won't get more than a 10 second mention on Sportscenter. Unless an American is winning.
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How many Americans are wearing David Becham shirts though? Or soccer/footy shirts at all? In America of course we are going to support Americans in general.
That's kind of my point. If this was really a big deal, then we would pay attention no matter who was winning.
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Whatever. Lance Armstrong is a great story. he overcame cancer and he was very brave in the face of something that most people couldnt handle. And I appreciate the fact that he's served as an inspiration for so many people going through cancer. And that he's donated and raised so much money to fight the disease.

But at the end of the day, as a sports fan, he's just a cyclist and I get sick of people reacting like him winning the Tour De France is bigger than the Super Bowl, World Cup, and Wrestlemania all rolled into one.

It's a bike race, and next year when Lance isn;'t there, it won't get more than a 10 second mention on Sportscenter. Unless an American is winning.
Don't get me wrong, its a cool story and all that but I fall into the category of not giving a shit. Just the way you're spinning the arguement is silly when it could happen when he is British, Spanish, German etc etc.
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Old 07-25-2005, 01:58 AM   #15
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At rest, Lance Armstrong's heart rate is 32.

It just goes to show that Americans are the best ever at everything.
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He's got the best performance enhancing drugs, good game Lance.
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He's must be pretty damn good at hiding them, since he gets tested all the time. People have tried the drug conspiracy for...oh, about seven years now, and it's never stuck.

The fact is, he was one of the best pre-cancer, and the training he put himself through to get himself back into cycling shape turned him into the best ever.

And, I'll agree, the Tour won't be front-page news next year. It will be in 2012 if whoever wins it next year wins it in 2007, 2008, 2009, and so on.

Sure, it's just bike riding, but it's the best just bike riding anyone has ever done in the history of just bike riding, and that's pretty damned impressive. Hate on the sport, hate on the man, but no one can deny that this is a phenomenal feat for anyone, be they American, French, British, or Kenyan.
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If everyone is so sure he is on 'roids why hasn't he gotten caught?
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Whatever. Lance Armstrong is a great story. he overcame cancer and he was very brave in the face of something that most people couldnt handle. And I appreciate the fact that he's served as an inspiration for so many people going through cancer. And that he's donated and raised so much money to fight the disease.

But at the end of the day, as a sports fan, he's just a cyclist and I get sick of people reacting like him winning the Tour De France is bigger than the Super Bowl, World Cup, and Wrestlemania all rolled into one.

It's a bike race, and next year when Lance isn;'t there, it won't get more than a 10 second mention on Sportscenter. Unless an American is winning.
Way to sneak Wrestlemania in there. If wrestling is a sport than cycling has to be. How often do they show WWE on Sportscenter, btw?
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If everyone is so sure he is on 'roids why hasn't he gotten caught?
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Tell me. Did they even broadcast the sport in it's entirety? Did anyone here watch it?
I didn't think so.
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Not at all

Lance Armstrong dominated once again though..AMERICA RULES BABY
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The American Networks only picked up the Tour in 2001.

Armstrong himself has admitted that he has to help find the next American cyclist because the American media will only follow the tour if an American is winning.

What amuses me is all the ignorant bullshit about Armstrong being the greatest cyclist ever.

It is akin to saying that winning the US PGA makes you the best golfer ever. There is more to cycling than just the tour - it is one race. There are 3 three week tours. The real achievement is to win at least 2. Only four riders have done the double and only one has ever won all three in the same season.

Look at the stats:
  • Armstrong 7 Tours in 7 years
  • Indurain 7 Tours in 5 years + World Championship + Olympic Gold. Lest we forget that when Mig and Armstrong went head to head between 1993 and 1996 in the Tour that Armstrong gave up 3 times and the only time he did reach Paris he finished 1 hour and 30 minutes behind Mig.
  • Hinault 10 tours in 7 years

And I haven't even mentioned Merckx.

Stima - America rules only in the sense that it produces brain dead meathead benchwarming jocks whose knowledge of sport can be written on the end of needle normally used for injecting vast amounts of illegal drugs. So in that sense you are indeed living proof of American sporting superiority.
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At rest, Lance Armstrong's heart rate is 32.

It just goes to show that Americans are the best ever at everything.
Miguel Indurain's was 31.

Maybe that is why he beat Armstrong by 90 minutes when they went head to head.
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The American Networks only picked up the Tour in 2001.

Armstrong himself has admitted that he has to help find the next American cyclist because the American media will only follow the tour if an American is winning.

What amuses me is all the ignorant bullshit about Armstrong being the greatest cyclist ever.

It is akin to saying that winning the US PGA makes you the best golfer ever. There is more to cycling than just the tour - it is one race. There are 3 three week tours. The real achievement is to win at least 2. Only four riders have done the double and only one has ever won all three in the same season.

Look at the stats:
  • Armstrong 7 Tours in 7 years
  • Indurain 7 Tours in 5 years + World Championship + Olympic Gold. Lest we forget that when Mig and Armstrong went head to head between 1993 and 1996 in the Tour that Armstrong gave up 3 times and the only time he did reach Paris he finished 1 hour and 30 minutes behind Mig.
  • Hinault 10 tours in 7 years

And I haven't even mentioned Merckx.

Stima - America rules only in the sense that it produces brain dead meathead benchwarming jocks whose knowledge of sport can be written on the end of needle normally used for injecting vast amounts of illegal drugs. So in that sense you are indeed living proof of American sporting superiority.
Wow to get really fired up about something I was just joking about.

I like how you generalize America though, good stuff

Where did I say he was the greatest cyclist? I don't care if he is or not, I honestly don't a give a fuck if hes the most overrated cyclist. Winning 7 tours is pretty sweet eitherway you slice it. Also I don't get how he can cheat the system with illegal drugs, they must have really poor testing.
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Supreme which ever way you cut it no matter what ESPN say Lance Armstrong isn't even the best Tour de France rider ever. It isn't jealousy when you are simply stating facts.

Armstrong won 7 tours - but Hinault won 10 and Merckx won 11 tours. Therefore they are the better tour riders.

Stima - I wasn't generalising about America. Simply highlighting how you conform to all the stereotypes of ignorant meathead benchwarming American jocks. Which is obviously not hard for you since that is what you are.
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Lance Armstrong may not be the best cyclist ever and I don't care what you say, but 7 tours in 7 years is amazing. The other achievements you have listed are equally amazing but don't try to denounce a great achievement like that. Nationality doesn't even matter, so lets get off the subject.
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Stima - I wasn't generalising about America. Simply highlighting how you conform to all the stereotypes of ignorant meathead benchwarming American jocks. Which is obviously not hard for you since that is what you are.
Do I really? How do you know this? Because I made topic about Lance Armstrong joking around?

"Ignorant meathead benchwarming American jocks" Looks like somebody is angry for no reason. How do I fit that role? What does that even mean, and what does benchwarming have to do with any of it? Trying to make it a personal attack or something. I would like to see how I am an ignorant meatheaded American in this topic. All I said was, Lance Armstrong won again - which is true and "haha motherfuckers" which was joking around. Nowhere did I say "This is the most impressive run by any cyclist ever" so why don't you just chill out you spaz. I like how you only come out of the woodwork to try to shot down Lance Armstrong/America. Does it make you feel good inside or something? You fucking weirdo lurking the boards and shit.

This is kinda off topic but I also don't understand why people care what sports Americans like. Do I really care if some dude across the Atlantic ocean thinks football is a pussy sport? No not at all, I really don't give a fuck. I don't understand why other people would either.
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Supreme which ever way you cut it no matter what ESPN say Lance Armstrong isn't even the best Tour de France rider ever. It isn't jealousy when you are simply stating facts.
Oh, I know. I wouldn't even dare call anything I've said in this thread a fact.
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LOL. Something is what it is and not something else. If I call you an ignorant meathead benchwarming jock then that is because its what you are.

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lol oh I get it you are just throwing random insults around.

I really don't care that much, still just curious while you had this random spaz out attack on me. I guess Lance Armstrong kicked your dog or something because we got a hater in the houseee
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Not really. Just stating the obvious.
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If you weren't generalizing then I don't know what the hell generalizing is.
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