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Old 08-23-2005, 02:27 PM   #1
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Summerslam fallout, Smackdown! Film noir
Welcome to another exciting edition. Tonight's top story

Michaels Fired: The Heartbreak kid has been given his walking papers, after the Henson workshop determined that the damage done to the "Hulk Hogan" Puppet was irrepairable. The WWE has released a statement wishing their best to the Heartbreak kid in all future endeavors.

Blood, Sweat and Tears: Due to United Paramout Networks' request, Smackdown will now be aired completely in black and white.

You may have noticed that replays of images where someone bleeding have been in black and white, to obscure the blood. A recent UPN survey has indicated that sweat and oil can also be mistaken for blood by the casual observer, and they do not wish to cause undue alarm. As a result, they have pushed to remove color from the program.

OJ/Benoit--Fraud: Reports are that the US championship match did not end as planned. When approached by yours truly for a comment, Vince McMahon said, and I quote, "What US Championship?"

Expect no future plans for the US title. My bad.

Brock Lockout: The WWE and Brock Lesnar have been unable to come to terms. Apparently, Brock won't come back until his contract allows him to kill wrestlers who appear on "Byte This!" or WWE.com. Expect a long contract negotiation, as the WWE tries to talk him down to a pantsing.

Tag Team Divisiveness: The WWE has decided to correct the primary problem with the tag team divisions--The lack of tag teams. As a result, the tag team championships will no longer require an actual tag team.

John Cena--See-ya? The WWE has been sued by the ACLU for their negative protrayal of "wiggers," or as they prefer to be called, "wegroes."

RK-D'oh! Randy Orton has annoyed numerous officials within the WWE, due to the unscripted finish of his match at Summerslam. Apparently, he was scheduled to lose to the Undertaker, and return as his henchman, "The Embalmer." This would spark a feud between the Deadman and the returning Mordecai, MD.

Angle the Liar: Kurt Angle is a fraud, so reports the Yiddish Gazzette. Apparently, Kurt Angle, "American Hero," was born and lives in a small town in Germany. Pics of Kurt in the offending Liederhosen can be found here.

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

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Old 08-23-2005, 02:32 PM   #2
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:51 PM   #3
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Main Entry: film noir
Pronunciation: -'nwär
Function: noun
Etymology: French, literally, black film
: a type of crime film featuring cynical malevolent characters in a sleazy setting and an ominous atmosphere that is conveyed by shadowy photography and foreboding background music.

Now how does this have anything to do with film noir?
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:54 PM   #4
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:55 PM   #5
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Main Entry: film noir
Pronunciation: -'nwär
Function: noun
Etymology: French, literally, black film
: a type of crime film featuring cynical malevolent characters in a sleazy setting and an ominous atmosphere that is conveyed by shadowy photography and foreboding background music.

Now how does this have anything to do with film noir?
He was just referring to the black and white, no blood smackdown comment he was getting at... no need for dictionary... argh.
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:58 PM   #6
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He was just referring to the black and white, no blood smackdown comment he was getting at... no need for dictionary... argh.
Black and white has nothing to do with noir, which was kind of my point.
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:58 PM   #7
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Main Entry: film noir
Pronunciation: -'nwär
Function: noun
Etymology: French, literally, black film
: a type of crime film featuring cynical malevolent characters in a sleazy setting and an ominous atmosphere that is conveyed by shadowy photography and foreboding background music.

Now how does this have anything to do with film noir?
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:59 PM   #8
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Old 08-23-2005, 03:01 PM   #9
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Old 08-23-2005, 03:02 PM   #10
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Again how my agument hurt by this?
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Old 08-23-2005, 03:06 PM   #11
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Black and white has nothing to do with noir, which was kind of my point.
Film Noir is stereotypically in black and white, that's why he made the reference.

Also...

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Again how my agument hurt by this?
I'll try to type nice and slow for you to understand this. We all know Film Noir consists of films that are black and white. KK made a joke about the WWE turning smackdown to black and white. There you have it.

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Old 08-23-2005, 03:08 PM   #13
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Film Noir is stereotypically in black and white, that's why he made the reference.

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Thats simply because noir went out of style in the days of black and white (and mostly because the first time people of this generation heard of noir was Sin City)
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Thats simply because noir went out of style in the days of black and white (and mostly because the first time people of this generation heard of noir was Sin City)
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Sin City is NOT the first time we have heard of Noir. Trust me. Any college student taking film classes has seen countless hours of the film type.
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Thats simply because noir went out of style in the days of black and white (and mostly because the first time people of this generation heard of noir was Sin City)
I didn't even SEE Sin City. I've known about Noir for a few years at least. I'll admit that I've never actually seen a Film Noir movie in full, but I've seen parts, and plenty of parodies, and they were all... *GASP* Black and white.
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Again how my agument hurt by this?
Basically we are all saying, Shut up no one cares about your argument of how he used the word noir (in french meaning BLACK) . He was probably assuming you woulden't be enough of a jackass to attempt to dissect the statement. Let it go.
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Sin City is NOT the first time we have heard of Noir. Trust me. Any college student taking film classes has seen countless hours of the film type.
Really? where are you going. I graduated with my major in film study from Murry state (which might as well be a community college). Noir was easily my favorite genra.
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Really? where are you going. I graduated with my major in film study from Murry state (which might as well be a community college). Noir was easily my favorite genra.
And still no one gives a fuck.
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Really? where are you going. I graduated with my major in film study from Murry state (which might as well be a community college). Noir was easily my favorite genra.
I graduated with a marketing degree from Northwestern. I have 4 friends that are directors, I've seen a ton of off the wall noir movies with them from their classes.
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Well i come into this thread thinking that im going to get some film dicusion and i get a stereotype. Im kind of let down. Im thinking Film Noir in wrestling right on, lets see this and I get black and white? Huh.
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Well i come into this thread thinking that im going to get some film dicusion and i get a stereotype. Im kind of let down. Im thinking Film Noir in wrestling right on, lets see this and I get black and white? Huh.
You killed the damn topic with all your technicalities.
Dat's not cool.
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Thats true, will an appology suffice?
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OJ/Benoit--Fraud: Reports are that the US championship match did not end as planned. When approached by yours truly for a comment, Vince McMahon said, and I quote, "What US Championship?"

Expect no future plans for the US title. My bad.

Brock Lockout: The WWE and Brock Lesnar have been unable to come to terms. Apparently, Brock won't come back until his contract allows him to kill wrestlers who appear on "Byte This!" or WWE.com. Expect a long contract negotiation, as the WWE tries to talk him down to a pantsing.

Tag Team Divisiveness: The WWE has decided to correct the primary problem with the tag team divisions--The lack of tag teams. As a result, the tag team championships will no longer require an actual tag team.



And destor... you forget that noir literally means black in French. Film Noir refers to the black and white movies of the 40s and 50s. The color versions of the 70s (for example, Chinatown) and I guess Sin City qualify as neo noir.
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And destor... you forget that noir literally means black in French. Film Noir refers to the black and white movies of the 40s and 50s. The color versions of the 70s (for example, Chinatown) and I guess Sin City qualify as neo noir.
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I'm fairly sure (this is one of a couple of genres I don't know quite as well) that the "noir" in "film noir" refers to the use of long shadows, right? It's something done primarily in black and white because the monochromatic film tone really brings out the shadows.

It's hard to shoot a film noir in color because the eye is attracted more to the color than to the shadow. That's what makes somthing like Chinatown a "neo noir" as Corky said, because it maintains a lot of the visual and storytelling aspects of the classic noirs ("Maltese Falcon," etc.), but the fact that it's in color means that it - by definition - isn't actually "noir."

Or I could just be talking out of my ass.
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Noir is a type of crime film featuring cynical malevolent characters in a sleazy setting and an ominous atmosphere that is conveyed by shadowy photography and foreboding background music. Color isn't exactly relovent. Its more about characters and setting.
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Black and white has nothing to do with noir, which was kind of my point.
Right. Because people don't associate film noir with B+W.

Everyone got the association, hence people have taken you to task on it.

Since people are getting it, and the people I was targetting it at got it, I stand by my words.
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Right. Because people don't associate film noir with B+W.

Everyone got the association, hence people have taken you to task on it.

Since people are getting it, and the people I was targetting it at got it, I stand by my words.
So if I assosciate black people with watermellon and chicken nobody will have a problem?
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So if I assosciate black people with watermellon and chicken nobody will have a problem?
You just did.

Racism is different on a way grander scale.
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Thats simply because noir went out of style in the days of black and white (and mostly because the first time people of this generation heard of noir was Sin City)
Film Noir was still in style in the days of color cinematography. It's still got a cult following with those who are fans of pulp.

Almost any time film noir is emulated, it is done so in black and white and is STRONGLY associated with it, though there were color film noir movies (Primarily in the detective genre). This predates Sin City, though I'm sure an expert such as yourself knows that.

Besides, the intent was for a tag line for a joke, not accurately descriptive nonclemature.

But thanks for playing. Your anal retentive attention to minutia will surely win you awards with the "Count the continuity errors in Episode 3" crowd.
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Who the fuck are all these newbs? Where the hell did they come from?
Hmm sorry for being a newb... I must have missed the place I can register with 10,000 posts and instant familiarity with everyone...
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You just did.
The question was would there be a problem, look I spent for years of my life studying film, it just erks me when people are uneducated towards the art. Its like if you were a spelling teacher and read one of my sentences, you'd say something.
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So if I assosciate black people with watermellon and chicken nobody will have a problem?
So film noir is racism?

Damn, you got me.

Because it's not like the term Film Noir doesn't carry within itself generalisations, making it in and of itself like racism.

So what you're saying, if I may, is that some stereotypes are okay, while others are like racism.

No, I still don't get it. You're talking pure ass.
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The question was would there be a problem, look I spent for years of my life studying film, it just erks me when people are uneducated towards the art. Its like if you were a spelling teacher and read one of my sentences, you'd say something.
But do you not realize that in saying that, that association was already thought up in your mind?

There's a huge difference between stereotyping FILMS through their color / no color schemes, and stereotyping PEOPLE through their skin color.
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The question was would there be a problem, look I spent for years of my life studying film, it just erks me when people are uneducated towards the art. Its like if you were a spelling teacher and read one of my sentences, you'd say something.
Right. Because you're an art fag, you'll complain ad nauseum when someone "gets it wrong." Gotcha.

And the fact that you had to turn it into a racism issue?
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Oh, and I also apologise for my misuse of the word "tears," since no tears were mentioned in dealing with that tagline. As only blood and sweat (and oil) were involved, I suspect cliché fans will be writing me hate mail.
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But do you not realize that in saying that, that association was already thought up in your mind?

There's a huge difference between stereotyping FILMS through their color / no color schemes, and stereotyping PEOPLE through their skin color.
Granted. The goal was to illistrate a point through an extream, not to offend.
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Once again, you illustrated the completely wrong point...

This thread has gone to shit... which sucks because the original post was actually funny..

destor = fail .
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