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1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing
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The ever random and insane PWI top 500 2005 edition
 1 Batista 2 John Cena 3 Satoshi Kojima 4 Triple H 5 JBL 6 Kurt Angle 7 AJ Styles 8 Edge 9 Shelton Benjamin 10 Hiroyoshi Tenzan 11 Jeff Jarrett 12 Ultimo Guerrero 13 Chris Benoit 14 Rey Misterio Jr 15 Eddie Guerrero 16 Kenta Kobashi 17 Christopher Daniels 18 Mistico 19 Kane 20 Booker T 21 Tiger Mask IV 22 Samoa Joe 23 Petey Williams 24 Hijo Del Santo 25 Chris Jericho 26 Undertaker 27 Kensuke Sasaki 28 Monty Brown 29 Randy Orton 30 Christian 31 The Big Show 32 Naomichi Marufuji 33 Muhammad Hassan 34 Shawn Michaels 35 L.A. Park 36 Paul London 37 Abyss 38 Rey Bucanero 39 Jushin Liger 40 C.M. Punk 41 Carlito 42 Mitsuharu Misawa 43 Dr Wagner Jr 44 William Regal 45 Raven 46 Toshiaki Kawada 47 Hector Garza 48 Chavo Guerrero Jr 49 Tajiri 50 Ron Killings 51 Ric Flair 52 Shocker 53 Shijiro Otani 54 Matt Morgan 55 Bobby Rude 56 Eugene 57 Masa Chono 58 Jeff Hardy 59 Michael Shane 60 Eric Young 61 Elix Skipper 62 Austin Aries 63 Robert Conway 64 Perro Aguayo Jr 65 KENTA 66 Doug Basham 67 Chris Harris 68 Charlie Haas 69 Chris Sabin 70 Averno 71 James Storm 72 Danny Basham 73 Kaz Hayashi 74 Joey Mercury 75 The Hurricane 76 American Dragon 77 Mephisto 78 Hardcore Holly 79 Frankie Kazarian 80 Johnny Nitro 81 Spanky 82 Brent Albright 83 Gene Snitsky 84 Takeshi Rikioh 85 Negro Casas 86 Orlando Jordan 87 Spike Dudley 88 Simon Dean 89 Heidenreich 90 Chase Stevens 91 Matt Cappotelli 92 Rosey 93 Maven 94 Sylvan Grenier 95 Colt Cabana 96 Andy Douglas 97 Johnny Jeter 98 B.G. James 99 Keiji Muto 100 James Gibson 101 Donovan Morgan 102 Mr. Niebla 103 Alex Shelley 104 Tyson Tomko 105 Billy Kidman 106 Konnan 107 Jun Akiyama 108 Sho Funaki 109 Elijah Burke 110 Michael Modest 111 Mr. Aguila 112 Tenryu 113 Steve Corino 114 Tank Toland 115 Kid Kash 116 Chris Masters 117 Rene Dupree 118 Mark Jindrak 119 Shark Boy 120 Aaron Stevens 121 Sonjay Dutt 122 Tokyo Magnum 123 The Outlaw 124 Nigel Mcguinness 125 Daivari 126 Juvenud Guerrera 127 Chad Toland 128 Nunzio 129 Viscera 130 Atlantis 131 Koji Kanemoto 132 Antonio Thomas 133 Kenzo Suzuki 134 Steven Richards 135 Val Venis 136 Romeo Roselli 137 Scotty 2 Hotty 138 Doug Williams 139 Shannon Moore 140 Jimmy Rave 141 Akio 142 Oriental 143 D Lo Brown 144 Psicosis 145 Trevor Rhodes 146 Rocky Romero 147 Adam Pierce 148 Seven 149 CW Anderson 150 Jamal 151 Danny Inferno 152 Super Delphin 153 Garrison Cade 154 Abismo Negro 155 Blaster Lashley 156 Lance Hoyt 157 Rhino 158 Homicide 159 Taka Michinoku 160 Dos Caras Jr 161 Chad Collyer 162 Vampiro 163 Rikishi 164 Tatsuhito Takaiwa 165 Johnny swinger 166 Bison Smith 167 Black Warrior 168 Blue Panther 169 Sonny Siaki 170 Dick Togo 171 Ace Steel 172 Elektro 173 Low-Ki 174 Seth Skyfire 175 Giant Bernard 176 Jimmy Jacobs 177 Ricky Reyes 178 Taiyo Kea 179 Puma 180 Matt Stryker 181 Gedo 182 Latin Lover 183 Ray Gonzalez 184 Akira Taue 185 Simon Daimond 186 Harry Smith 187 Julio Dinero 188 Todd Shane 189 Skayde 190 Mike Shane 191 Cima 192 Danny Daniels 193 Jack Evans 194 Glamor Boy Shane 195 Steve Lewington 196 Osamu Nishimura 197 Alebrije 198 Hotstuff Hernandez 199 David Young 200 M Dogg 20 201 Tyson Dux 202 Kevin Northcutt 203 Josh Daniels 204 Eddie Colon 205 Yuji Nagata 206 Tony Kozina 207 BJ Whitmer 208 Chuck Palumbo 209 Ultimo Dragon 210 B Boy 211 Masada 212 Jinsei Shinzaki 213 John Walters 214 Dr X 215 Scott D'Amore 216 Mike Kruel 217 Ricky Banderas 218 Jay Lethal 219 Minoru Tanaka 220 Felino 221 Heavy Metal 222 Mike Mondo 223 Josh Prohibiton 224 Vance Nevada 225 Deuce Shade 226 Bronco 227 Blue Meanie 228 Dragon Kid 229 Tony Jones 230 TJ Wilson 231 Rodney Mack 232 Rodrick Strong 233 Sean Casey 234 Manabu Nakanishi 235 Tarzan Boy 236 Jerelle Clark 237 Slash Venom 238 Pantera 239 Masato Tanaka 240 Shane Ballard 241 Joe E Legend 242 Quackenbush 243 Dean Jablonski 244 Toru Yano 245 Great Sasuke 246 Cody Hawk 247 Diamante 248 Shannon Ballard 249 Milano Collection AT 250 Frank Parker 251 Vinny Massaro 252 Mike Taylor 253 Rod Steel 254 Jado 255 Mac Johnson 256 Turbo 257 Alastar " A-1" Ralphz 258 Striker 259 Takashi Yoshida 260 D-Ray 3000 261 Minoru Fujita 262 Babi Slymm 263 Amazing Red 264 Apolo 265 Prince Nana 266 Mikey Batts 267 Predator 268 Chicano 269 Chet Jablonski 270 Gran Hamada 271 Webster Dauphiney 272 Eric Matlock 273 Chris Hamrick 274 Biggie Biggs 275 The Stro 276 Eric Alexander 277 Quiet Storm 278 Slyk Wagner Brown 279 Ken Anderson 280 Steve Madison 281 Tom Howard 282 Thunder 283 Arik Cannon 284 Arch Kincaid 285 Kevin Dunn 286 Onyx 287 Mana 288 Naphtali 289 Scotty Mac 290 Daniel Puder 291 Human Tornado 292 Juggernaut 293 Ray Gordy 294 Seth Shai 295 Vordell Walker 296 Steve Demarco 297 Brad Bradley 298 Alex Arion 299 Joel Maximo 300 Teddy Hart 301 Boomer Payne 302 Kirby Marcos 303 Tim Warcloud 304 Jose Maximo 305 Apocalypse 306 Tommy Williams 307 Ken Doane 308 Frank Murdoch 309 Da Beast 310 Mike Fox 311 Sterling James Keenan 312 Marty Wright - boogeyman 313 Rob Eckos 314 Jason Rumble 315 Dusty wolfe 316 Adam Firestorm 317 Quinn Magnum 318 Cru Jones 319 Brian Black 320 Andrew Ryker 321 Rico Suave 322 Michelle Starr 323 Robin Knightwing 324 J J Perez 325 Dennis Gregory 326 N8 Mattson 327 Fred Sampson 328 Steve Mack 329 El Nene 330 Chasyn Rance 331 Claudio Castagnoli 332 Danny Doring 333 Sedrick Strong 334 Joey Knight 335 Ladies Choice 336 Rory Fox 337 Vik Dalishus 338 Billy Bax 339 Lightning 340 Vto Thomaselli 341 Scotty Charisma 342 Zach Gowen 343 Nasdaq 344 Hangman Hughes 345 Mace 346 Axl Rotten 347 Dow Jones 348 Robbie Dawber 349 Bruce Steele 350 Sal Thomaselli 351 Hentai 352 Bamm Bamm Penders 353 KC Thunder 354 EC Negro 355 Mike tobin 356 Aaron Idol 357 Alyx Winters 358 Marc Ash 359 Lash Leroux 360 Rockin Rebel 361 John Rambo 362 Nikita Allanov 363 Japanese Pool Boy 364 Andy Baker 365 Dropkick Murphy 366 Greg Matthews 367 Derrick Heikirk 368 Tim Flowers 369 Bryan Logan 370 Apollo Kahn 371 Mace Mendoza 372 Delirious 373 Dru Onyx 374 Hallowicked 375 Devon Storm 376 Matt Logan 377 T Rantula 378 Lotus 379 Glen Osbourne 380 Balls Mahoney 381 Buff-E 382 Conrad Kennedy III 383 Diabolico 384 Mr Ooh La La 385 Quinson Valentino 386 Sebastian Dark 387 Shirley Doe 388 Brent Dail 389 Jigsaw 390 Hook Bomberry 391 Crazy J 392 Frankie Capone 393 Chris Taylor 394 Cheetah Master 395 Gran Akuma 396 CJ O'Doyle 397 Scottie Gash 398 Krazy K 399 Eddie Guapo 400 The Bouncer 401 Cody Steele 402 Shawn Patrick 403 George South Sr 404 Aden Chambers 405 Ryan O'reilly 406 J-Rocc 407 Glenn Spectre 408 Supreme Lee Great 409 Jeff Starr 410 Eddie Kingston 411 Greg Spitz 412 Don Basher 412 Mozart Fontaine 413 Huracan Castillo 414 Sexxxy Eddie 416 K-Pusha 417 Roman 418 Chase Del Monte 419 Tony Givens 420 Invader I 421 K-Murda 422 Dean Radford 423 Luiz Ortiz 424 PT Hussla 425 Shawn Osborne 426 Kevin Knight 427 JP Black 428 Johnny Maxx 429 Mike Dell 430 Indiana Kidd Jr 431 Brian Soscia 432 John Curse 433 J-Busta 434 Rod Steele 435 Eric Everlast 436 Larry Huntley 437 Scott Zenzen 438 DJ P ROC 439 Snatch Haggins 440 Mega 441 Billy Bart 442 Russell Simpson 443 Johnny Graham 444 Darin Childs 445 Shawn Christopher 446 Icarus 447 Justin Idol 448 Handsome Jimmy 449 Jt Lightning 450 Franky the Mobster 451 Andre Lyonz 452 Kevin Baker 453 Jolly Roger 454 Charles Mercury 455 Tommy Suede 456 Gutter 457 Marcus Dillon 458 Danger 459 Daron Smythe 460 Leslie Leatherman 461 Mister Zero 462 Quinten Lee 463 Adam Booker 464 Sean Allen 465 Freak Nasty 466 Darkness Crabtree 467 Jack Thriller 468 Dexter Poindexter 469 Kevin Grace 470 Josh Cody 471 Shawn Cook 472 Shorty Smalls 473 Tony Golden 474 Nova Cain 475 Brian Danzig 476 Terry Alan 477 Powerhouse Hughes 478 Viper 479 Ultramantis Black 480 Bruiser Graham 481 Hellcat 482 Ric Gunner 483 Phil Atlas 484 Forsaken 485 Gino Martino 486 John Cabbie 487 Gotti 488 Will Christianson 489 Jimmy Cash 490 Brian Costello 491 Toy Dodson 492 Brother Clay 493 Eric Draven 494 Aaron Devil 495 Damian Dragon 496 Lord Zoltan 497 JV Insanity 498 CJ Summers 499 Bert Williams 500 Nick Nemeth THE OPTIMISTS! 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08-28-2005, 04:28 PM
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Who the hell is number 3?
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08-28-2005, 04:30 PM
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Da Gif/Pic Pimp
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new japan??
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08-28-2005, 04:30 PM
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1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing
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Ok a few from the 1st fifth that stick out to me:
1 Batista 2 John Cena They are both over, but as actual wrestlers…….gimmie a break 34 Shawn Michaels I don’t get this at all he’s been the WWE’s MVP this year IMO 45 Raven A NWA Champ shouldn’t be this low 58 Jeff Hardy He’s been suspended for how fucking long? The hasn’t had a good match in ages! Why’s he even in the top 500! Let alone Top 100 95 Colt Cabana This man should be higher, he’s a god |
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08-28-2005, 04:30 PM
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The Satanic Mechanic
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HUH?
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08-28-2005, 04:31 PM
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It's Clobbering Time!
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How the hell is Jeff Jarret ahead of Benoit, Christian and Christopher Daniels just to name a few?
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08-28-2005, 04:34 PM
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Second City Saint
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1 Batista/2 John Cena
 I guess when you're the only major federation, shit like this happens.11 Jeff Jarrett  Ahead of Chris Daniels??? Riiiiiight.40 C.M. Punk  40th?!?!?45 Raven  NWA Champ needs to be in the top 5 automatically51 Ric Flair  He's wrestled what? Three times this year?86 Orlando Jordan  How the fuck is he even on the list? Much less the top 100
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08-28-2005, 04:42 PM
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1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing
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The really stupid thing about the PWI list is that alot of it is based on matches wrestled and the win/loss record. That's not the whole of the point strucutre, but it is a part of it.
So in a business where everything is pre-planned and worked, they make a list based on those results
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08-28-2005, 04:50 PM
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devastationstudios.com
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Muto is below Rosey, Orlando, Maven, Hardcore Holly, BG James, etc.? What? And did I just see Viscera on there?
Is this a joke? Who comes up with this crap? do they draw names from a hat? It's like every single one of them is wrong in any way you could possibly rate a wrestler. |
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08-28-2005, 05:31 PM
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Credit: WX
Every year, the Pro Wrestling Insider magazine gives out an annual list of the 500 best wrestlers today. It is not tallied on workrate alone, however, as win-loss records, quality of opposition, and other criteria come into play. The 2005 PWI 500 looks like this: |
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08-28-2005, 05:44 PM
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VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT
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165 Johnny swinger
I think that's the lowest WWE contracted wrestler that I can see, excluding Ultiom Dragon whose contract status is a bit wierd. If memory serves he's on a development deal and can't have been on anything more than the odd Velocity appearance. Still, the list is something to talk about. |
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08-28-2005, 06:01 PM
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Must be a joke. It's the worst list I've ever seen. Why is Batista number 1? why is John Cena on the list? This must be 'most popular wrestlers'.
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08-28-2005, 06:05 PM
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dave ain't here?
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^ Puder is at #290.
Yeah I don't agree with this list at all, with the main blunders being already mentioned. |
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08-28-2005, 06:08 PM
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dave ain't here?
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#368: Tim Flowers
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08-28-2005, 06:12 PM
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VALENTÍA
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These are worse than the FIFA World Rankings. What a joke.
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08-28-2005, 06:13 PM
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VALENTÍA
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08-28-2005, 06:18 PM
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PWI has lost all credibility
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08-28-2005, 06:26 PM
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VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT
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LOL @ Tim Flowers
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08-28-2005, 06:29 PM
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1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing
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08-28-2005, 06:54 PM
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Diabetes Coming To Getcha
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284 Arch Kincaid. This guy talks goofy
 448 Handsome Jimmy. It's Johnny. They got his name wrong They got Chase Del Monte there as well. HAHA! And Ronald MCdonald |
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08-28-2005, 06:59 PM
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TPWW's Glass Ceiling
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The PWI 500 list is an actual joke.
There is NO structure to their list, "win / loss" records or otherwise. They often turn to promoters just for help with putting the list together, thus certain promoters having a number of their own talents listed there. They used to have one promoter from Florida help them with the list, and after a while he ran out of names - so he just started making some up. He would use inside jokes in the list, including nicknames for friends and other workers, family, etc. - and here is a really funny fact about that: THEY MADE THE FUCKING LIST. You can tell the list is a joke in the sense that there are DOZENS of indy wrestlers who have VERY busy schedules, work with top quality opponents and hold numerous indy belts - and they haven't made the list at all [when there are 500 spots]. So all of that "criteria" bullshit goes right out the window. |
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08-28-2005, 10:16 PM
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Hockey Superstar
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That list is more the "Top 500 wrestlers we've heard of" list. They do not seem to make any real research, as a lot of wrestlers probably more occupied and talented than "Bruiser Graham" or "Hellcat" didn't make it.
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08-28-2005, 10:30 PM
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Puder? WTF!?
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08-28-2005, 10:57 PM
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The PWI 500 started out when wrestling was a lot less exposed to the general public for what it is. Wrestlers weren't on television admitting it's a work, and shoot interviews were damn near unheard of. Pro Wrestling Illustrated was never, ever, in the time I read it, a "smart" magazine. Steve Austin and Goldberg have been atop the PWI 500, as has Hulk Hogan, if I remember correctly.
It's nothing new. It's how the PWI 500's always been. |
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08-28-2005, 11:54 PM
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Why So Curious?
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08-29-2005, 12:19 AM
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Formerly Ġohâń3k
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lol a wrestler named Hentai, i'm guessing that's one of the jokes?
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08-29-2005, 12:35 AM
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So long, Eddie! miss you.
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hmmm....
My main grievances are: Shawn Michaels at 34...thats a joke really...he should b in the top 10, he's prolly the best worker in the WWE at the moment. Big Show at 31...seriously...ahead of Michaels...wtf! Suppose he did have some big wins last year tho. Kane at 19...WTF...I mean, he is @ a good spot in the list but again, how the hell can he be above michaels... |
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08-29-2005, 12:37 AM
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So long, Eddie! miss you.
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lol @ japanese Pool boy
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08-29-2005, 03:39 AM
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TPWW's Glass Ceiling
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Yeah, Japanese Pool Boy is a total gimmick worker.
Probably one of the most talked about guys when it comes to his gimmick, but he's just totally ridiculous. If you don't believe me, have a look for yourself: 
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08-29-2005, 03:47 AM
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08-29-2005, 04:38 AM
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8.edge?
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08-29-2005, 10:40 AM
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Taller than Adam Cole
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08-29-2005, 10:49 AM
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I'm one of those 'horrible people' who go to certain forums (not here, of course. You guys are by far the most intelligent posters I've had the pleasure of reading) just to mess with the masses so to speak. My favorite group of people are the Matt Hardy sheep. So, in a fit of boredom, I headed over there after I had read the list and saw a bunch of the teenyboppers complaining because Matt was left off the list while "Mr. Feces" was #8. When I asked them why they thought Matt should be on the list, since he was out injured/being a jackass most of the year, their reply was "BECAUSE HE'S MATT HARDY!!" Um, yeah. (on a side note, most of my posts there are pulled within 4 hours of me leaving them)
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08-29-2005, 11:01 AM
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Yo... Get Off My Dick.
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looks like somebody is getting lazy
worst list ever 1) Shawn Michaels nuff said |
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08-29-2005, 03:58 PM
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He's Here
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How the hell do you put Batista and Cena over Angle and Michaels? Their WrestleMania match ALONE deserves to be in AT LEAST the top five...
What marks wrote this list? More to the point, what do they take into consideration when ranking them? "Well, Batista and Cena are the world champions of the biggest wrestling promotion in the world, so clearly they deserve the top two spots." |
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08-29-2005, 06:20 PM
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Forever
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No Johnny Devine? WTF!
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