Titles regaining credibility?

**Jaton** · 09-20-2005, 12:14 AM

It seems to me that they're pushing for the Tag and IC titles to have more emphasis. It really caught my eye when JR was talking about how "prestigious" the IC title was and how important it was to Ric Flair and Carlito.

Now I know most of you don't think Cade/Murdoch deserve titles yet, for some reason I see them having a really good run as tag champions and bringing back some credibility tot he division. Just an opinion.

**TerranRich** · 09-20-2005, 12:16 AM

I really don't see the problem with giving brand new tag teams the belts. MNM, Cade/Murdoch, I think it's great. The tag division needs to be refurbished.

**Joey Slugs** · 09-20-2005, 12:18 AM

even Nunzio bragging about winning the CW title and being a prime time player on SD! helps out that belt.

**Jaton** · 09-20-2005, 12:20 AM

Maybe they're heading in a new direction. I actually thought Cade/Murdoch looked like good champions. I don't even need to elaborate on Ric Flair. Being a 16(+) time World Champion brings enough credibility to the title as is. Of course, it also buries Carlito a little.

**ThruTheWire** · 09-20-2005, 12:54 AM

They were REALLY selling the IC Title tonight. I think Ric Flair can resurrect it's credibility easily.

**The One** · 09-20-2005, 01:04 AM

Anyone notice that since the World Heavyweight and WWE Titles changed shows, SmackDown has all the no-history titles (well besides Cruiser)...just an observation.

Anyway Ric could hold a pile of dog shit and make it look credible...well...at least to us old people anyway.

**FourFifty** · 09-20-2005, 01:16 AM

So the women's title is MIA for months, the WWE title hasn't been in the main event for a few weeks now, the tag team scene on Raw and SD is stale and everyone's favorite US title contender gets his ass kicked in 22.5 seconds... Here's how I see things.

RAW
WWE Champion- John Cena
He was better as a heel, with raps instead of catch phrases. The champ is here? Yay, let's all get up and dance because a man who only has 3 or 4 basic moves alongside some punching and kicking has a title. How this guy got over I'll never know. The only thing that gives it credibility is Kurt Angle.

IC Champion- Ric Flair
This title is doing alright. I like the fact that the IC title is not really seen as a stepping stone for the WWE title. Naich brings a lot to the table with (for is age) a great in ring style, killer promos, and of course that wondeful strut.

Women's Champion- Trish Stratus
I think Carlito said it best... "That's not cool." When Trish went out for a while they had her keep the title. All they needed was to set up a sneak attack, have it take 5-10 mins on Raw, next week say she can't fight 'till she's healed, triple threat, and now that she's back and "teaming" with Ashley it would throw something into the mix if Torrie was the Women's Champion... No cred what so ever.

World Tag Team Champions- .....Wait, I know this one...
Holly Lack Of Cred Batman! It's the ONLY title we have that has less cred than SmackDown's version. When the former champions lose a non title match it's bad. So now we have a border line metrosexual cowboy and some redneck as tag team champions? Great, I seriously thought Cade could do something better...

SmackDown

World Champion- Batista
He's funny, I'll admit that, but the world champion shouldn't be cutting promos with (as much as I loved it) Simon Dean. I like him as a champion, but I'll all but cream myself for the big man as the number 1 contender. As champ he's a joker. Fighting for the title he's a monster.

US Champion- Chris Benoit
Great champion, but I think the "kick OJ's ass as fast as possible" bit is old. How about "Kick Simon Dean's ass as fast as possible" or "Kick Doug Basham's ass as fast as possible." The countdown is a good idea, but it'll get old. Give him a few matches with Steven Richards, Ken Kennedy, and a few other people. Decent cred, but he needs longer matches to keep it up.

CW Champion- Nunzio
The one thing that WCW always did better than the WWE is the CW's. It's a decent title, but when you put Nunzio VS Batista... What were the writers thinking? "Hey, you know what I liked? Rey VS Nash! That was cool! We need to do something like that. Is Rey here right now? What, he's busy? Damn. Okay, where's Nash? He can come back for a night! What's that, he tore his quad plaing pong last night? Shit... Okay, Nunzio VS Batista! How will it end? Well, it'll be this great ending wh-- what's that? Nunzio didn't cup Vince's balls last night? Squash!"

WWE Tag Team Champions- LOD
As much as I like this idea of a new LOD it will never live up to the old Road Warriors... The best part about this team is how they got MNM over. A nice team, better than the Raw Tag team champions.

Now, who should be champion? Well, I'm just some internet fan so I know everything. here's how it should be, but I'm sure that'll be another thread.

**Joey Slugs** · 09-20-2005, 01:17 AM

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Anyway Ric could hold a pile of dog shit and make it look credible...well...at least to us old people anyway.

amen to that.

**FourFifty** · 09-20-2005, 01:18 AM

...Kennedy

**Mr. Nerfect** · 09-20-2005, 03:05 AM

Reading the Sunday Night Heat spoilers (*Heat Spoilers Obviously*) it seems like the WWE is pushing Eugene & Tajiri as a full-fledged tag team. I can see them being OK together. Kerwin White also had a caddie. Have this caddie start teaming with Kerwin and you have yourself a third heel tag team. Put Val Venis with Matt Striker, give them a dual-pornstar gimmick and call Matt Striker "Matt Strikher" or something.

It's nothing too great, but it gets the World Tag Team Division heading in the right direction.

On SmackDown! have MNM turn face, The Blonde Bombers brought up from OVW as new heel members of The Cabinet, Scotty 2 Hotty randomly team with someone, and The Mexicools get a steady push into the division. This may be an unpopular decision, but you could have Edge lose the Money in the Bank Ladder Match and stick him with Christian on Smackers. If there are any two men in the WWE who can make new tag teams look like real tag teams, it's Edge & Christian.

**Corkscrewed** · 09-20-2005, 04:45 AM

IC title... there's lotsa hope.

Tag Titles? Well, now that Cade and Murdock have won them, their push is over. I mean, that's how it basically works, right?

**Londoner** · 09-20-2005, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Always450

So the women's title is MIA for months, the WWE title hasn't been in the main event for a few weeks now, the tag team scene on Raw and SD is stale and everyone's favorite US title contender gets his ass kicked in 22.5 seconds... Here's how I see things.

Well if it's that shit, then as KK always says, why do you watch it?

After Unforgiven, they have a chance to pick things up again, every match was well thought out, and the WWE title match was good also, with a surprise ending.

I'll respond bit by bit to your reply.

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RAW
WWE Champion- John Cena
He was better as a heel, with raps instead of catch phrases. The champ is here? Yay, let's all get up and dance because a man who only has 3 or 4 basic moves alongside some punching and kicking has a title. How this guy got over I'll never know. The only thing that gives it credibility is Kurt Angle.

Whether you like it or not, Cena is the no.1 face on Raw,I would've given Angle the title at Unforgiven, but the result at unforgiven makes everybody happy.The WWE need a top face, which is why they'v epushed cena so much, and sinc ewhen did it matter how many moves they could do?Did Austin do alot of moves when he was champ?Did the rock?No but they were both massively over, which makes your argument weak.

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IC Champion- Ric Flair
This title is doing alright. I like the fact that the IC title is not really seen as a stepping stone for the WWE title. Naich brings a lot to the table with (for is age) a great in ring style, killer promos, and of course that wondeful strut.

The IC title should be seen as a stepping stone to the WWE title, otherwise the title loses all meaning. I'm glad ric flair got the title, though I can't help but think politics was involved in him getting it. You wonder why they couldn't think of what to do with Carlito?Because they probably planned for Shelton to be the champ, but then in comes Ric Flair wanting the IC title for the first time, I've got a horrible feeling he'll lose it to Masters.

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Women's Champion- Trish Stratus
I think Carlito said it best... "That's not cool." When Trish went out for a while they had her keep the title. All they needed was to set up a sneak attack, have it take 5-10 mins on Raw, next week say she can't fight 'till she's healed, triple threat, and now that she's back and "teaming" with Ashley it would throw something into the mix if Torrie was the Women's Champion... No cred what so ever.

Hahaha, Torrie womens champion?Okay whatever. You're moaning about giving titles credbility, then you say Torrie should be champ, erm NO. They shouldn't of kept the belt on Trish, but they had nothing for the womens division to do really.

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World Tag Team Champions- .....Wait, I know this one...
Holly Lack Of Cred Batman! It's the ONLY title we have that has less cred than SmackDown's version. When the former champions lose a non title match it's bad. So now we have a border line metrosexual cowboy and some redneck as tag team champions? Great, I seriously thought Cade could do something better...

Oh god, forgive the WWE for wanting REAL tag teams to have the title, hurricane and Rosey were turned into a joke.

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SmackDown

World Champion- Batista
He's funny, I'll admit that, but the world champion shouldn't be cutting promos with (as much as I loved it) Simon Dean. I like him as a champion, but I'll all but cream myself for the big man as the number 1 contender. As champ he's a joker. Fighting for the title he's a monster.

Batista shouldn't be cutitng promos AT ALL, someone like Heyman should manage him or something.But I don't mind him as champion, the Eddie/batista feud could be good.

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US Champion- Chris Benoit
Great champion, but I think the "kick OJ's ass as fast as possible" bit is old. How about "Kick Simon Dean's ass as fast as possible" or "Kick Doug Basham's ass as fast as possible." The countdown is a good idea, but it'll get old. Give him a few matches with Steven Richards, Ken Kennedy, and a few other people. Decent cred, but he needs longer matches to keep it up.

Calm down, it's just a gimmick.It gives Benoit some credibility back.And makes you think that he can't lose.

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CW Champion- Nunzio
The one thing that WCW always did better than the WWE is the CW's. It's a decent title, but when you put Nunzio VS Batista... What were the writers thinking? "Hey, you know what I liked? Rey VS Nash! That was cool! We need to do something like that. Is Rey here right now? What, he's busy? Damn. Okay, where's Nash? He can come back for a night! What's that, he tore his quad plaing pong last night? Shit... Okay, Nunzio VS Batista! How will it end? Well, it'll be this great ending wh-- what's that? Nunzio didn't cup Vince's balls last night? Squash!"

I agree with this, there was no point in the match between batista/nunzio, other than the fact that it was meant to be funny i think.

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WWE Tag Team Champions- LOD
As much as I like this idea of a new LOD it will never live up to the old Road Warriors... The best part about this team is how they got MNM over. A nice team, better than the Raw Tag team champions.

Agreed.

**Someone1001** · 09-20-2005, 01:31 PM

Titles regaining credibility? Telling us they're important is a whole lot different than MAKING them important. That said, JR telling us that the IC title is coveted does nothing for it. Flair making a big deal out of winning...Carlito making a big deal out of losing...that's what makes it important. As long as they can keep similar situations going with the other belts, a return to prominence is in the bag. If they keep having the announce team spew it's importance, annoyance is in the bag.

**Kane Knight** · 09-20-2005, 02:20 PM

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Whether you like it or not, Cena is the no.1 face on Raw,I would've given Angle the title at Unforgiven, but the result at unforgiven makes everybody happy.The WWE need a top face, which is why they'v epushed cena so much, and sinc ewhen did it matter how many moves they could do?Did Austin do alot of moves when he was champ?Did the rock?No but they were both massively over, which makes your argument weak.\

People always use that shit. "He has no moveset!" Like anyone else in the Main Event really does. Come on, people. Admit you don't like him, stop trying to find ways to justify that to the world, and move on. He's MAD over, and whether you like it or not, Angle vying for the championship gives it credibility REGARDLESS.

**FourFifty** · 09-20-2005, 06:21 PM

I don't like Cena for the following reasons.

1. No moveset
2. Stale sophmoric gimmick
3. (see 2)
4. I just don't like him.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 09-20-2005, 06:37 PM

I don't dislike Cena the person, or even the wrestler, but I absolutely DESPISE the gimmick. He is not real, and he certainly does not recognise real.

I think Flair will lose the IC Title to Masters, but that's fair enough, I think. Masters needs a title to establish him, and he certainly shouldn't be thrown the WWE Title. The Intercontinental Championship grounds him and gives him a stable place to learn.

I'd personally push Shelton Benjamin to the moon. With either Edge or Hardy not being on RAW in a few weeks (more than likely Hardy), there is room for Benjamin to move up the card and feud with Triple H or someone heading into Taboo Tuesday.

I don't know what that has to do with titles regaining credibility, but Shelton=Future.

**Chavo Classic** · 09-20-2005, 06:41 PM

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I think Flair will lose the IC Title to Masters, but that's fair enough, I think. Masters needs a title to establish him, and he certainly shouldn't be thrown the WWE Title. The Intercontinental Championship grounds him and gives him a stable place to learn.

I think Flair and Carlito need to continue their feud for a little while, and perhaps even trade the belt a few times. Nothing implies desire for the gold like a long, brutal feud over 2 or 3 PPVs. Then when Flair does come round to dropping the belt to Masters, he (and the gold itself) will be in a better position to put the Masterpiece over.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 09-20-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

I think Flair and Carlito need to continue their feud for a little while, and perhaps even trade the belt a few times. Nothing implies desire for the gold like a long, brutal feud over 2 or 3 PPVs. Then when Flair does come round to dropping the belt to Masters, he (and the gold itself) will be in a better position to put the Masterpiece over.

I definately agree, but I can easily see the WWE forgetting about the Flair vs. Carlito program next week.

I would love to see Chris Masters get a title shot, but have Carlito run down and attack Flair giving him the DQ win, and hitting Masters with the belt. Move Chris out with some kind of other feud, and keep Flair vs. Carlito going. Maybe even to WrestleMania with a "Figure Four Match" where the only way to win is to get your opponent to submit to the Figure Four?

**Kane Knight** · 09-20-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Always450

I don't like Cena for the following reasons.

1. No moveset
2. Stale sophmoric gimmick
3. (see 2)
4. I just don't like him.

1. So you dislike almost every main eventer throughout the history of the WWE?
2. As opposed to what?
3. Really.
4. That's a legit reason.

**Pepsi Man** · 09-20-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The One

Anyone notice that since the World Heavyweight and WWE Titles changed shows, SmackDown has all the no-history titles (well besides Cruiser)...just an observation.

I think about that all the time, but a lot of people still equate the World Heavyweight Title with the WCW Title, and still continue the US Title's lineage as though it were from the WCW Title.

**FourFifty** · 09-21-2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

1. So you dislike almost every main eventer throughout the history of the WWE?
2. As opposed to what?
3. Really.
4. That's a legit reason.

1. Just about, yeah, pending their gimmick doesn't suck ass. Champions like Bret Hart and HBK were awesome. I like JBL as a champion because of his gimmick and his mic skills.
2. As opposed to every other gimmick out there.
3. Yeah, really.
4. Damn skippy.

**Destor** · 09-21-2005, 04:05 AM

Happy birthday Always450!

**Impact!** · 09-21-2005, 04:18 AM

Well no offence 450 but your saying you don't like him (Cena) because he has no move set, when you you then say you like JBL because he's good on the mic. WTF

JBL and Cena are both good on the mic

JBL moveset = Fall Away Slam, Clothsline (From Hell as well), Big Boot, Punch, Kick.

Cena moveset = Spinebuster, FU, Punch, Kick, Clothsline, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, Suplex.

In reality theres no big differance between Cena and JBL,yet you complain about him (Cena), yet you say you like JBL better. It kinda confuses me.

**FourFifty** · 09-21-2005, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by impact player

In reality theres no big differance between Cena and JBL,yet you complain about him (Cena), yet you say you like JBL better. It kinda confuses me.

I like the gimmick, I enjoy JBL's radio show, and I love his book.
Yes, I like JBL more than Cena because of the gimmick and the person. I'm more attached to JBL than Cena.

**Impact!** · 09-21-2005, 04:37 AM

I was speaking more wrestling wise, but yeah that's fair enough.

**Aussie Skier** · 09-21-2005, 06:47 AM

curois...u ppl talk about credibility...you do know thios is sports entertainment right?

I mean, I don't completely understand this whole talk of credibility I guess. I spose you mean in terms of such and such is a better champ than so and so...but still...it just seems strange...the match results are planned, how can there be any credibility to the belts?

**Londoner** · 09-21-2005, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chavo Classic

I think Flair and Carlito need to continue their feud for a little while, and perhaps even trade the belt a few times. Nothing implies desire for the gold like a long, brutal feud over 2 or 3 PPVs. Then when Flair does come round to dropping the belt to Masters, he (and the gold itself) will be in a better position to put the Masterpiece over.

In theory that's a good idea, but is Flair capable of carrying a feud that long still?I wouldn't of thought so at his age, which is why I'm thinking the WWE would make Masters take advantage of the fact that the IC champion is an old legend, and obviously no match for Masters at his age,then we'll have to hear him bragging about how he beat the 16 time world champion....

**Londoner** · 09-21-2005, 06:55 AM

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curois...u ppl talk about credibility...you do know thios is sports entertainment right?

I mean, I don't completely understand this whole talk of credibility I guess. I spose you mean in terms of such and such is a better champ than so and so...but still...it just seems strange...the match results are planned, how can there be any credibility to the belts?

In terms of credibility, I guess we mean how important the title is to the company,Like the WWE title has loads of history to it, and is always used in the main event, so that makes it credible. But when the writers start making the wrong decisions about who should hold the titles, and starts taking them off of PPV's, that's when it loses credibility, that's what we mean.

And it also depends how strong the competition is for the title, yes it may all be planned, but the titles are meant to be for wrestlers at certain stages of their career.So say like the tag titles for example,they have no credibility because there is no competition for them, there needs to be interest built around the title's division to create credibility.

**Sadistic** · 09-21-2005, 08:30 AM

The tag team division was so damn entertaining 4/5 years ago. It started to get worse but there were still good teams 2/3 years ago. Now it is just horrible.
Remember back 4/5 years ago all the amazing tag matches that we would look forward to every PPV. Now days we have our tag champions fighting 2 jobbers every week on TV. It's pathetic.

**Kane Knight** · 09-21-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Always450

I like the gimmick, I enjoy JBL's radio show, and I love his book.
Yes, I like JBL more than Cena because of the gimmick and the person. I'm more attached to JBL than Cena.

Do you like his goosestepping too?

**Kane Knight** · 09-21-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by impact player

Well no offence 450 but your saying you don't like him (Cena) because he has no move set, when you you then say you like JBL because he's good on the mic. WTF

JBL and Cena are both good on the mic

JBL moveset = Fall Away Slam, Clothsline (From Hell as well), Big Boot, Punch, Kick.

Cena moveset = Spinebuster, FU, Punch, Kick, Clothsline, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, Suplex.

In reality theres no big differance between Cena and JBL,yet you complain about him (Cena), yet you say you like JBL better. It kinda confuses me.

JBL is one of the best mic workers in the company. John Cena hasn't cut a strong promo in ages.

**Kane Knight** · 09-21-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier

curois...u ppl talk about credibility...you do know thios is sports entertainment right?

I mean, I don't completely understand this whole talk of credibility I guess. I spose you mean in terms of such and such is a better champ than so and so...but still...it just seems strange...the match results are planned, how can there be any credibility to the belts?

Credibility is how believible the title is. How much we're interested in it (And therefore the point of it main eventing).

**FourFifty** · 09-21-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor

Happy birthday Always450!

Thank you

...but how the crap did you know?

**FourFifty** · 09-21-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

Do you like his goosestepping too?

Comming from a Jewish family and losing touch with the faith I saw his efforts of getting heat FUNNY AS HELL!

**FourFifty** · 09-21-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier

curois...u ppl talk about credibility...you do know thios is sports entertainment right?

I mean, I don't completely understand this whole talk of credibility I guess. I spose you mean in terms of such and such is a better champ than so and so...but still...it just seems strange...the match results are planned, how can there be any credibility to the belts?

Lemme put it to you like this....

PWND BITCH!

**Kane Knight** · 09-21-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Always450

Comming from a Jewish family and losing touch with the faith I saw his efforts of getting heat FUNNY AS HELL!

!

I'm not

ing because that was shocking or offensive, just because it's amazing how quickly you just totally opened yourself up for SO MUCH shit.

I have to admire that kind of ability. It's like the balls it would take to go to prison, hand the biggest black guy in the showers a shoe horn, then reach for the soap you dropped.

**Kane Knight** · 09-21-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Always450

Thank you

...but how the crap did you know?

Today's Birthdays
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Go to the (forum) Main page and scroll all the way down.

**Jaton** · 09-21-2005, 01:45 PM

Mine is in two weeks-ish.

**Destor** · 09-21-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Always450

Thank you

...but how the crap did you know?

If you go to www.tpww.net/forums and scroll to the bottom it has a list of the people who have a birthday today, your the only one.

**Destor** · 09-21-2005, 04:48 PM

KK beat me to it.

09-20-2005, 12:14 AM	#1
Jaton BISONICA Posts: 2,681	Titles regaining credibility? It seems to me that they're pushing for the Tag and IC titles to have more emphasis. It really caught my eye when JR was talking about how "prestigious" the IC title was and how important it was to Ric Flair and Carlito. Now I know most of you don't think Cade/Murdoch deserve titles yet, for some reason I see them having a really good run as tag champions and bringing back some credibility tot he division. Just an opinion.

09-20-2005, 12:16 AM	#2
TerranRich Herp a derp, and so on Posts: 8,830	I really don't see the problem with giving brand new tag teams the belts. MNM, Cade/Murdoch, I think it's great. The tag division needs to be refurbished.

09-20-2005, 12:18 AM	#3
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	even Nunzio bragging about winning the CW title and being a prime time player on SD! helps out that belt.

09-20-2005, 12:20 AM	#4
Jaton BISONICA Posts: 2,681	Maybe they're heading in a new direction. I actually thought Cade/Murdoch looked like good champions. I don't even need to elaborate on Ric Flair. Being a 16(+) time World Champion brings enough credibility to the title as is. Of course, it also buries Carlito a little.

09-20-2005, 12:54 AM	#5
ThruTheWire w0ah Posts: 641	They were REALLY selling the IC Title tonight. I think Ric Flair can resurrect it's credibility easily.

09-20-2005, 01:04 AM	#6
The One Boss Posts: 17,611	Anyone notice that since the World Heavyweight and WWE Titles changed shows, SmackDown has all the no-history titles (well besides Cruiser)...just an observation. Anyway Ric could hold a pile of dog shit and make it look credible...well...at least to us old people anyway.

09-20-2005, 01:16 AM	#7
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	So the women's title is MIA for months, the WWE title hasn't been in the main event for a few weeks now, the tag team scene on Raw and SD is stale and everyone's favorite US title contender gets his ass kicked in 22.5 seconds... Here's how I see things. RAW WWE Champion- John Cena He was better as a heel, with raps instead of catch phrases. The champ is here? Yay, let's all get up and dance because a man who only has 3 or 4 basic moves alongside some punching and kicking has a title. How this guy got over I'll never know. The only thing that gives it credibility is Kurt Angle. IC Champion- Ric Flair This title is doing alright. I like the fact that the IC title is not really seen as a stepping stone for the WWE title. Naich brings a lot to the table with (for is age) a great in ring style, killer promos, and of course that wondeful strut. Women's Champion- Trish Stratus I think Carlito said it best... "That's not cool." When Trish went out for a while they had her keep the title. All they needed was to set up a sneak attack, have it take 5-10 mins on Raw, next week say she can't fight 'till she's healed, triple threat, and now that she's back and "teaming" with Ashley it would throw something into the mix if Torrie was the Women's Champion... No cred what so ever. World Tag Team Champions- .....Wait, I know this one... Holly Lack Of Cred Batman! It's the ONLY title we have that has less cred than SmackDown's version. When the former champions lose a non title match it's bad. So now we have a border line metrosexual cowboy and some redneck as tag team champions? Great, I seriously thought Cade could do something better... SmackDown World Champion- Batista He's funny, I'll admit that, but the world champion shouldn't be cutting promos with (as much as I loved it) Simon Dean. I like him as a champion, but I'll all but cream myself for the big man as the number 1 contender. As champ he's a joker. Fighting for the title he's a monster. US Champion- Chris Benoit Great champion, but I think the "kick OJ's ass as fast as possible" bit is old. How about "Kick Simon Dean's ass as fast as possible" or "Kick Doug Basham's ass as fast as possible." The countdown is a good idea, but it'll get old. Give him a few matches with Steven Richards, Ken Kennedy, and a few other people. Decent cred, but he needs longer matches to keep it up. CW Champion- Nunzio The one thing that WCW always did better than the WWE is the CW's. It's a decent title, but when you put Nunzio VS Batista... What were the writers thinking? "Hey, you know what I liked? Rey VS Nash! That was cool! We need to do something like that. Is Rey here right now? What, he's busy? Damn. Okay, where's Nash? He can come back for a night! What's that, he tore his quad plaing pong last night? Shit... Okay, Nunzio VS Batista! How will it end? Well, it'll be this great ending wh-- what's that? Nunzio didn't cup Vince's balls last night? Squash!" WWE Tag Team Champions- LOD As much as I like this idea of a new LOD it will never live up to the old Road Warriors... The best part about this team is how they got MNM over. A nice team, better than the Raw Tag team champions. Now, who should be champion? Well, I'm just some internet fan so I know everything. here's how it should be, but I'm sure that'll be another thread.

09-20-2005, 01:18 AM	#9
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	...Kennedy

09-20-2005, 03:05 AM	#10
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 60,919	Reading the Sunday Night Heat spoilers (Heat Spoilers Obviously) it seems like the WWE is pushing Eugene & Tajiri as a full-fledged tag team. I can see them being OK together. Kerwin White also had a caddie. Have this caddie start teaming with Kerwin and you have yourself a third heel tag team. Put Val Venis with Matt Striker, give them a dual-pornstar gimmick and call Matt Striker "Matt Strikher" or something. It's nothing too great, but it gets the World Tag Team Division heading in the right direction. On SmackDown! have MNM turn face, The Blonde Bombers brought up from OVW as new heel members of The Cabinet, Scotty 2 Hotty randomly team with someone, and The Mexicools get a steady push into the division. This may be an unpopular decision, but you could have Edge lose the Money in the Bank Ladder Match and stick him with Christian on Smackers. If there are any two men in the WWE who can make new tag teams look like real tag teams, it's Edge & Christian.

09-20-2005, 04:45 AM	#11
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	IC title... there's lotsa hope. Tag Titles? Well, now that Cade and Murdock have won them, their push is over. I mean, that's how it basically works, right?

09-20-2005, 01:31 PM	#13
Someone1001 anonymity at it�s best Posts: 171	Titles regaining credibility? Telling us they're important is a whole lot different than MAKING them important. That said, JR telling us that the IC title is coveted does nothing for it. Flair making a big deal out of winning...Carlito making a big deal out of losing...that's what makes it important. As long as they can keep similar situations going with the other belts, a return to prominence is in the bag. If they keep having the announce team spew it's importance, annoyance is in the bag.

09-20-2005, 06:21 PM	#15
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	I don't like Cena for the following reasons. 1. No moveset 2. Stale sophmoric gimmick 3. (see 2) 4. I just don't like him.

09-20-2005, 06:37 PM	#16
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 60,919	I don't dislike Cena the person, or even the wrestler, but I absolutely DESPISE the gimmick. He is not real, and he certainly does not recognise real. I think Flair will lose the IC Title to Masters, but that's fair enough, I think. Masters needs a title to establish him, and he certainly shouldn't be thrown the WWE Title. The Intercontinental Championship grounds him and gives him a stable place to learn. I'd personally push Shelton Benjamin to the moon. With either Edge or Hardy not being on RAW in a few weeks (more than likely Hardy), there is room for Benjamin to move up the card and feud with Triple H or someone heading into Taboo Tuesday. I don't know what that has to do with titles regaining credibility, but Shelton=Future.

09-21-2005, 04:05 AM	#22
Destor I am the cheese Posts: 51,037	Happy birthday Always450!

09-21-2005, 04:18 AM	#23
Impact! R.I.P Tanner Posts: 8,219	Well no offence 450 but your saying you don't like him (Cena) because he has no move set, when you you then say you like JBL because he's good on the mic. WTF JBL and Cena are both good on the mic JBL moveset = Fall Away Slam, Clothsline (From Hell as well), Big Boot, Punch, Kick. Cena moveset = Spinebuster, FU, Punch, Kick, Clothsline, 5 Knuckle Shuffle, Suplex. In reality theres no big differance between Cena and JBL,yet you complain about him (Cena), yet you say you like JBL better. It kinda confuses me.

09-21-2005, 04:37 AM	#25
Impact! R.I.P Tanner Posts: 8,219	I was speaking more wrestling wise, but yeah that's fair enough.

09-21-2005, 06:47 AM	#26
Aussie Skier So long, Eddie! miss you. Posts: 1,910	curois...u ppl talk about credibility...you do know thios is sports entertainment right? I mean, I don't completely understand this whole talk of credibility I guess. I spose you mean in terms of such and such is a better champ than so and so...but still...it just seems strange...the match results are planned, how can there be any credibility to the belts?

09-21-2005, 08:30 AM	#29
Sadistic Posts: 1,079	The tag team division was so damn entertaining 4/5 years ago. It started to get worse but there were still good teams 2/3 years ago. Now it is just horrible. Remember back 4/5 years ago all the amazing tag matches that we would look forward to every PPV. Now days we have our tag champions fighting 2 jobbers every week on TV. It's pathetic.

09-21-2005, 01:45 PM	#38
Jaton BISONICA Posts: 2,681	Mine is in two weeks-ish.

09-21-2005, 04:48 PM	#40
Destor I am the cheese Posts: 51,037	KK beat me to it.