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Rigged 16 24.62%
Fan Votes Count 12 18.46%
Somewhere in between 36 55.38%
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:05 PM   #1
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Taboo Tuesday Rigged?
I know alot of people think it's riggged, and alot of people think it really is based on fan votes. Let's just get this all out in the open, vote and let everyone see where you stand on the issue.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:06 PM   #2
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Of course it's rigged. Matches need to be planned. Feuds and Angles need to be set. The creative team decides all of this.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:07 PM   #3
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I think it's abit of both.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:08 PM   #4
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Honestly, somewhere in the middle. I think some things the vote actually matters, and others it would simply be to risky to let fans vote.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:08 PM   #5
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I'd like to say "Somewhere in between," but I don't think there's enough "in between" to count.
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I think a little of both. The fans can't have complete control, HHH wouldn't want it that way.

Seriously, I too have heard theories about how it might be rigged, but I'm not totally convinced. I'll believe its totally fan controlled when I see something random like Viscera in a world title main event or something
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:09 PM   #7
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Honestly, somewhere in the middle. I think some things the vote actually matters, and others it would simply be to risky to let fans vote.
but enough about American Democracy.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:10 PM   #8
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The stuff for the diva battle royale is probably all fans vote, seeing as it's only a costume they have to change.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:16 PM   #10
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meh, they tip the scales

ex. Last years ME

Was there really a doubt HBK would win, rigged or not?
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Dunno, it's abit hard to tell that one because of his fucked knee.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:21 PM   #12
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Think about it guys. These days next to no one just goes out there without talking to their opponent beforehand and calls a whole match on the spot. Guys in indy promotions wouldn't do that, guys in WWE in front of millions worldwide certainly wouldn't do that.
A wrestler needs to know his opponent, hence this is all rigged.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:26 PM   #13
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Sadistic...you would be suprised to know how muhc of it is done on the fly...I have had indy matches where I had said nothing to them before a match, even sometimes when I had never been in the ring with them. And even if you want to work out something, you might talk for 5 minutes or so. But most of it is done just by calling it mid match.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:29 PM   #14
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Probably a little bit of both...

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Think about it guys. These days next to no one just goes out there without talking to their opponent beforehand and calls a whole match on the spot. Guys in indy promotions wouldn't do that, guys in WWE in front of millions worldwide certainly wouldn't do that.
A wrestler needs to know his opponent, hence this is all rigged.
What would be the difference between Mankind, Dude Love, or Cactus Jack, for example, vs. Carlito. Besides a few obvious changes (finishers, differing mannerisms, a bit more aggressiveness on the part of Cactus, and maybe a different spot or two) there wouldn't be much of a difference in the match.

Like last year's match between Kane and Snitsky, the weapons match, the only thing they really had to change was how they would use the weapon. They could have easily went through each scenario and when the time came to reveal the weapon, it was all set.

The only ones that basically have to be rigged are the matches. You're right on that one. But when it comes to cosmetic changes vs. people changes, cosmetic changes don't really matter in the big picture.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:38 PM   #15
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Think about it guys. These days next to no one just goes out there without talking to their opponent beforehand and calls a whole match on the spot. Guys in indy promotions wouldn't do that, guys in WWE in front of millions worldwide certainly wouldn't do that.
A wrestler needs to know his opponent, hence this is all rigged.
Yeah, it's impossible to talk to Three guys and prepare for any one of them. There's no way they could possibly plan for such an eventuality, because wrestlers can only plan with one wrestler at a time. You know, like those 6 man tag matches...Purely impossible.
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:40 PM   #16
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Sadistic...you would be suprised to know how muhc of it is done on the fly...I have had indy matches where I had said nothing to them before a match, even sometimes when I had never been in the ring with them. And even if you want to work out something, you might talk for 5 minutes or so. But most of it is done just by calling it mid match.
And there IS enough of that caught on camera in the WWE to know it goes on, even there.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:07 PM   #17
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Well the match between Kane & Snitsky last year certainly wasn't rigged. The officials thought that fans would most definately want a chair legal. But they chose a chain, but the ending was still the same.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:15 PM   #18
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I think it's totally down to the fans. If it was rigged, then they would have given the World title match to Benoit last year, because Michaels injured his knee the night before. And besides, wouldn't it be against some kind of Federal law to rig votes like that? Like false advertisement or something.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:34 PM   #19
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I think it's totally down to the fans. If it was rigged, then they would have given the World title match to Benoit last year, because Michaels injured his knee the night before. And besides, wouldn't it be against some kind of Federal law to rig votes like that? Like false advertisement or something.
There's a disclaimer someone pointed out last year, I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was there.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:43 PM   #20
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I say it's legit for the most part. There are definately some things that absolutely have to be planned though. Notice they aren't doing a match like Jericho had last year.
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There's a disclaimer someone pointed out last year, I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was there.
Yeah, it basically says that the WWE has the right to change anything they want in the voting.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:55 PM   #22
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I think it's totally down to the fans. If it was rigged, then they would have given the World title match to Benoit last year, because Michaels injured his knee the night before. And besides, wouldn't it be against some kind of Federal law to rig votes like that? Like false advertisement or something.
Unless they include a disclaimer that they don't have to use the votes, or the polls are up on WWE.com (Which they often rig anyway). Since
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Oh, well I dunno then. They probably do change some things if necessary. To be honest I think they should just scrap this idea. They tried it last year, wasn't overly successful. Okay, Vince tried something that he thought would be a good idea, it didn't work too well, just give it a rest I say. I was quite surprised that they're doing this again to be honest. RAW doesn't need a PPV now, they should just be like Smackdown, building for Survivor Series. Because between Summerslam and Survivor Series, RAW have had 2 PPV's, and Smackdown just the one. This time should be used to prepare for the biggest PPV of the fall.
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:16 PM   #24
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I thought I read something somewhere last year about Benjamin and Jericho not even knowing that Benjamin was going over until the final few minutes of the match. Even still, there's really no telling if Jericho knew he'd actually be facing Benjamin.

Considering how sloppy of a show it was, I'd say the fans votes count a little more than people may think. And for the main event for this Taboo Tuesday, for example, whose to say that they can't work out an ending for any of the three candidates involved in the match? Regardless, whether Big Show, Michaels, or Kane, I don't see any of them walking away with the strap, so you might as well just let the fans decide.
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:20 PM   #25
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I thought I read something somewhere last year about Benjamin and Jericho not even knowing that Benjamin was going over until the final few minutes of the match. Even still, there's really no telling if Jericho knew he'd actually be facing Benjamin.

Considering how sloppy of a show it was, I'd say the fans votes count a little more than people may think. And for the main event for this Taboo Tuesday, for example, whose to say that they can't work out an ending for any of the three candidates involved in the match? Regardless, whether Big Show, Michaels, or Kane, I don't see any of them walking away with the strap, so you might as well just let the fans decide.
Jericho 100% didn't know he was facing Shelton Benjamin. He thought it was a good chance because they made him the strongest challenger on TV leading up to the match. And both men didn't know the finish until 5 minutes into the match.

I am a skeptical as anyone when it comes to the WWE but I think the voting is legit.
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I think for the less slightly important matches it wasnt rigged, but in the main event last years, hbks victory led to edges heel turn and benoit winning the tag championship, theres no way i think they could have come up with that on the fly,

its like for the flair-orton match it didnt really matter what match type it was, orton was always going to be the victor
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And if it was rigged, I don't think they would have been stupid enough to have sent an injured Shawn Michaels (who needed surgery and only put it off because of the chance he'd be working this match - and he has quit in the past for a lot less) out to wrestle Triple-H in the main event. They would have definately gone for the safe option in Chris Benoit or Edge.
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I think for the less slightly important matches it wasnt rigged, but in the main event last years, hbks victory led to edges heel turn and benoit winning the tag championship, theres no way i think they could have come up with that on the fly,
They had Jericho lose the IC title on the fly so why not? And they have done it before.

And there was every possibility they had 3 storylines set up for whoever won the voting.
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Old 10-19-2005, 07:36 PM   #29
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To be honest I think they should just scrap this idea. They tried it last year, wasn't overly successful.
Think it has anything to do with the fact it was on a Tuesday night?

I do.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:00 PM   #30
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I think it's legit.

Like Rob said, they probably had different angles thought of for different case scenarios.

Like with the World Title match last year, I'm sure the creative team assumed that Edge wasn't going to win the voting since he was in the middle of his heel turn and he was up against the two most popular men on Raw at the time in Benoit and HBK.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:16 AM   #31
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I think it's somewhere in between. I definatly think fans have the say, but I think the real deadline for voting is prior to the show starting. That way the wrestlers know what they have to do. I think the idea is to basically ask which wrestlers and matches the fans like and which they do not. For instance, Big Show HBK and Kane for the World Title, if nobody voted for Kane I think the writers would realize he needs a gimmack change so they start working on it.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:31 AM   #32
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:04 AM   #33
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While I've defended the notion that it's possible to have multiple plans, I still can't help but think mostly rigged. However, most of the rigging comes in the form of spin. They know who's most likely to get the results because of the way they book the matches. They can't totally control who the fans like. They can (And reserve the right to) disregard the vote if they want to.

On the other hand, Ockham's razor really does cut the other way. Rob's right; I can't think of a single reason they'd send out Michaels injured if they were rigging it, no matter what the fans want.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:14 AM   #34
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Like a lot of people here have said, I honestly think they go by the voting, but they build it up so much on TV that there's no way anyone else will get voted for.

Last year, HBK was clearly going to get the World Title match, because he was the top face. Shelton Benjamin would get the IC match, because he was the one that Jericho was (sort of) feuding with at the time. The weapons and outfits don't matter, because they're easy enough to change.

As for the Edge turn, they could have done that any number of ways. If Benoit had won the ballot, Edge would have done the exact same thing. If Edge had won the ballot, it would have been a little trickier, but they would have figured something out (and I'm sure they had a contingency plan in place). Keep in mind, H had worked matches with all of his potential opponents before last year's show, so it wouldn't be that hard to do that match with no planning whatsoever.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:21 AM   #35
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Well maybe the sent HBK out because it would have been easier than doing the tag match?
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:18 AM   #36
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I think it's all a matter of the match.

Any title match- Duh
Any other match- Don't know
Any Divas match- Don't care
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First off, it is rigged in the kinds of things you can vote on. Like for triple threat match, you don't get to write in Stevie Richards. Plus it is a triple threat match, so there is a chance that Cena or Angle could win, and it doesn't matter who gets voted in. So, basically we get to vote on none factors.
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