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What!? GOULET!
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Top 10 TALENT of all time
Ok, I assume this has been done before, nonetheless. I want to know who you guys list as the best ever. OVERALL!
For instance.... Chris Benoit is a very gifted and talented technical Wrestler, yet I don't care what anyone says he sucks the big one on the mic. And I know this may hit a bad spot with people too, but Owen Hart was terrible on the mic too... Hogan and Rock were fantastic on the mic but sub-par in the ring, so I ask.... who is the 10 best TOTAL PACKAGE wrestlers of all time (I don't mean Luger  )
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12-24-2005, 12:50 AM
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I'm Mr. White Christmas
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Ric Flair
Austin Jake Roberts HHH Ultamite warrior
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12-24-2005, 12:52 AM
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TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04
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(in no particular order):
Chris Jericho Eddie Guerrero Kurt Angle Triple H Ric Flair Shawn Michaels Chris Daniels Rick Rude Steve Austin Christopher Daniels Last edited by James Steele; 12-24-2005 at 01:11 AM. |
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12-24-2005, 12:56 AM
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I only went with 8
8. The Undertaker 7. HHH 6. The Rock 5. Steve Austin 4. Ric Flair 3. Bret Hart 2. Kurt Angle 1. Shawn Michaels |
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12-24-2005, 01:00 AM
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RAPTURE READY.
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terrible list NM. The Rock should be on there
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12-24-2005, 01:02 AM
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Ninja Mod, Esquire
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The list is just my thoughts on the matter. Also, as far at the Japanese names, I can't vouch for mic skills persay, but I judged them instead by general charisma in and out of the ring, along with fan reaction.
1. Kurt Angle 2. Shawn Micheals 3. Ric Flair 4. Mitsuharu Misawa 5. Chris Jericho/Eddie Guerrero 6. Masahiro Chone 7. Keiji Mutoh/Great Muta 8. Bret Hart 9. Toshiaki Kawada 10. Steve Austin (pre injury)/ or The Rock Last edited by What Would Kevin Do?; 12-24-2005 at 05:24 AM. |
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12-24-2005, 01:05 AM
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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In no order... From what I've seen as it comes to what they can do in the ring, to the crowd, and behind the mic, here's my top 10.
Bret Hart Triple H Jake Roberts Ric Flair Steve Austin Hayabusa Kurt Angle AJ Styles Raven The Undertaker |
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12-24-2005, 01:35 AM
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Now. Here. Man.
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(Deleted the list and am re-posting it with a little more detail)
10) Kerry Von Erich- Was extremely solid in the ring, had a great look, and wasn't half bad on the mic. Had he not made so many poor business decisions, he could have been one of the wrestling world's foremost stars in the 80s, instead of emerging onto the national scene as a midcarder years after his peak. 9) Ricky Steamboat- Steamboat has a tendency to fly under most people's radar, but considering he took part in one of the matches that laid the groundwork for modern wrestling (vs. Savage at FM3) and possibly one of the greatest feuds of all time (vs. Flair), I think the guy deserves his fair shakes. 8) Randy Savage- Could put on a helluva match back in his day, and did pretty well as Hogan's replacement for WWF's top guy before they decided to push Warrior. What stood out most though was, obviously, that instantly recognizable voice. 7) Mick Foley- Not exactly someone who would be on many people's top 10 lists simply for the fact that he was more of a brawler than a grappler, but Mick brought great character and psychology to his matches. (God, I sound like Sadistic) Foley was a garbage-wrester, but he was the best damn garbage-wrestler there ever was. 6) Terry Funk- Actually, scratch that; this guy was the best garbage-wrestler there ever was. Terry could brawl, he could work a solid mat game, he could do the ridiculous super-hardcore shit, the Funker was a jack-of-all-trades. More than that, the guy was a consumate professional, and wasn't afraid to hand over his spotlight to someone new. 5) Kurt Angle- What's there really to say? Angle's a fantastic worker, has impeccable psychology, and is one of the best mic-workers in the WWE today. 4) Sting- You've gotta give it up for the ultimate babyface. Sting had a great moveset of power and high-flying moves, could work the stick like no tomorrow, and most of all, just always looked and acted like he really wanted to be there. There are lots of wrestlers that I look forward to watching to, but one of the very few who got me legitimately excited was always the Stinger. 3) Chris Jericho- Ahhhh, the beloved Y2J. Despite years of losing matches, sabotaged main-event runs, and various other instances of douchebaggery in general, Jericho always managed to stay afloat and get the crowd going for him, and why? Because he's one hell of a showman, that's why! Always great in the ring, always fantastic on the mic, and always just a ton of fun to watch. Too bad Hunter and Steph ruined him. 2) Ric Flair- Love him or hate him, no one else has done more for the business than Flair. He had a pretty dynamic moveset for his time, and to this day is one of the best promo men in the business. He perfected the heel-Champion routine, and more or less invented stable warfare with the Four Horsemen. While Austin and Rocky and Hogan brought in more money, the art of wrestling is still very much the house that Flair built. 1) Steve Austin- Judging through the entire span of his career, not just his time in WWF as Stone Cold, Austin is my personal pick for the best all-around wrestler of all time. He was solid as a tag worker in WCW, and his "Monday Nyquil" skits from ECW were hysterical. Although he spent most of the time in the spotlight as a pure brawler, he also had an extremely sound technical game (see Austin vs. Benoit from fall of '00), and was excellent on the mic. Oh, and the whole "1 of the 3 most successful wrestlers ever" thing doesn't hurt his case. Honorable Mentions: Rowdy Roddy Piper Curt Hennig Shawn Michaels Bret Hart Harley Race Jake Roberts Dynamite Kid |
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12-24-2005, 01:40 AM
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w0ah
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The Rock was far from sub-par moron.
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12-24-2005, 02:02 AM
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GO HABS GO!
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No Order really:
Bret Hart Brian Pillman HBK Piper Austin Owen Hogan Rock Taker Flair |
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12-24-2005, 02:03 AM
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GO HABS GO!
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Add on for the rock and Angle
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12-24-2005, 02:32 AM
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SAVE_US.sheepbreeder222
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In no real order...
Jericho Angle Rock Hunter Flair HBK Undertaker Austin Eddie Bret |
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12-24-2005, 02:59 AM
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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My list- V2.0, in no real order
Bret Hart The best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be. Let’s face the facts: He earned that title. Now I’m not a huge Bret Hart fan, nor am I going to point fingers about the Montreal Screw Job, he is arguably the best. We all know Vinnie Mac Daddy has a big man fetish. If he lets someone smaller hold the title they better be able to back it up in the ring. Much like the late Eddie Guerrero, I swear Bret Hart could work a good match with a bowl of pudding. Triple H Say hello to Vince’s favorite son. Triple H was handed the ball and he ran with it. I’ve enjoyed every single one of Triple H’s Hell in a Cell matches, every single elimination chamber, and I pop when he comes down to the ring knowing there’s going to be a 20 minute promo. If Triple H didn’t get any reaction from the fans then, family or not, I don’t think Vince would have pushed him as hard as he did. And it’s not like Brock Lesnar when it a feud here and there then a title push. Triple H earned almost everything he has. Jake Roberts You can never trust a snake without being bit. I believe that this man paved the way for The Undertaker, Kane, The Boogeyman, Bill Goldberg, Sting (with the Crow gimmick), and any other wrestler that came out with a lot of fanfare and mystique. Jake Roberts doesn’t know how to work a crowd. He knows how to play them like damn fiddle. Maybe I need to a little bit of homework but he all but introduced modern day ring psychology. Ric Flair If I REALLY need to say why he’s on my top 10, then you REALLY need to do your fuckin’ homework. Steve Austin/The Rock At their primes they were both the same. More catch phrases than wrestling moves, and overall totally solid performers. I’m going to go out on a limb and say if you want to compare primes Austin is a cut above The Rock. Hayabusa Oh damn, this dude is freakin’ AWESOME! Okay, I don’t speak Japanese, and I’ve never seen him cut a promo… But this one goes out to all you goddamn London/Kidman/Rey/Juvi marks… This is high flying wrestling at its best. For every Mick Foley/Terry Funk/Al Snow fan out there… This is hardcore wrestling at its best. No, he’s no longer at his prime after he broke his neck, but look at the reactions Hogan got after his prime was waaaay behind him. Kurt Angle Oh it’s true, it’s true! I’m not sure what I like more- His matches or his promos. Face, heel, talking about milk, celibacy, or how he’s going to break your freakin’ ankle! Okay, I’d like to see Angle call it the Olympic Slam and the Ankle Lock as opposed to The Angle Lock/Slam. Aside from that Kurt Angle is next to perfect. AJ Styles Ladies and gentlemen, I’d like to introduce you to perfect. Raven Without out a doubt the most under worked wrestler in WWE history! He’s a solid performer who has been awesome in TNA, WCW, and ECW. I really don’t know why Vince didn’t allow him to get on the mic before. I think Raven could have made a great WWE Heavyweight Champion if he was pushed the right way. The Undertaker If you’ve been a wrestling fan for at least 5 years you have marked out to this guy. Be it you jumped off your seat to cheer for him or you’ve literally feared for his opponent’s life. This man took the idea of a “gimmick” and turned it into over 10 years of being one of the top stars. He took the in ring psychology from Jake Roberts and the monstrous size of Andre, half assed both of them in a hoss shaped package. I’d like to see this man get one more good title run before he calls it quits. |
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12-24-2005, 03:23 AM
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It's a blood match!
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The Rock
Ric Flair Bret Hart Shawn Micheals Sting Steve Austin Eddie Guerrero Kurt Angle Chris Jericho Chris Benoit |
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12-24-2005, 03:45 AM
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Honestly, Hayabusa should be nowhere near the top ten talent of all time list. I respect his effort and passion. I respect the love he shared for the fans. The man gave his thanks and goodbyes to the wrestling fans only a few minutes after being paralyzed, while still laying on his back in the middle of the ring for God's sakes. Still, he was nowhere near the top ten.
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12-24-2005, 04:20 AM
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RIP Latino Heat.
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1. Eddie Guerrero - He WAS Smackdown, when he was face he made you laugh your socks off, when a heel, he could really get you angry, lol. Eddie Guerrero was the whole package.
2. The Rock - Never has a guy got the crowd so into a feud and wrestling matches, one of the best performers ever. 3. Chris Jericho - He can talk great, wrestle great, and should be at least a three time WWE champion. 4. Christian - This guy alone, set up his main event push, WWE had no plans for Christian and Cena, but Christian kept insulting Cena and getting the crowd excited, but after that WWE dumped him on SD, where they could edit his words. Should've been a 2 time WWE champion. |
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12-24-2005, 04:26 AM
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The Crusher
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1. Farmer Burns
2. Frank Gotch 3. Ed Lewis 4. Lou Thesz 5. Gorgeous George 6. Buddy Rogers 7. Johnny Valentine 8. Jack Brisco 9. Nick Bockwinkel 10. Harley Race |
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12-24-2005, 05:16 AM
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No.10 -HHH.
Yeah he was pushed more than his talent would suggest but he excels in everything a good wrestler should. Good mic skills, good wrestling ability, he had the look and enough charisma. No-9- Rowdy Roddy Piper- He was a fantastic heel with brilliant mic skills and had enough wrestling ability. He was almost too good for his era imagine what he could do if he was in his prime in the last few years with the more easier censorship standards we have these days. No.8 Bret Hart He is recognised by the whole wrestling community as one of the greatest wrestlers of the modern era. His feats in the wwe where so great that it completely overshadows his lacklustue wcw run. I feel sorry for him that almost whenever he is mentioned so to is Montreal. No.7 The Rock. Everyone man, woman and dog on the planet knows about his charisma and mic skills but his wrestling was very good too. In his prime his matches more than anyone. No.6. HBK Again he excels in everything a wrestler should. Kind of a nobrainer. No.5- Ric Flair- If you don’t know why he is mentioned you shouldn’t call yourself a wrestling fan. No.4- Christain He had everything. Could have been huge. No.3- Steve Austin Amazing talent. He is underrated a bit because when he was Stone Cold he had to use a style that didn’t showcase his true in-ring abilty. Just watch his work in WCW or as the ringmaster. Brillant showman with a crapload of charisma. No.2- Kurt Angle/Eddie Guerrero Two brillant talents that where born to wrestle. I probably don’t need to explain why these two men are considered to be in the upper echelon of wrestling talents of all time. No.1. Chris fucking Jericho. Three Words. The Fucking Man |
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12-24-2005, 06:03 AM
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yeah nah good mate
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He is underrated a bit because when he was Stone Cold he had to use a style that didn’t showcase his true in-ring abilty. Just watch his work in WCW or as the ringmaster. Brillant showman with a crapload of charisma.
Or that broken neck may have had an effect? |
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12-24-2005, 07:37 AM
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12-24-2005, 09:03 AM
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yes. yes. yes.
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Jericho Rocky HHH Flair Foley Pillman Bret Owen Eddie Benoit is off my list MAINLY due to the mic skills thing. All of the above could make a compelling promo. |
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12-24-2005, 09:05 AM
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yeah nah good mate
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No because as Stone Cold he was required to wrestle a brawling style that did not showed off his real abilty
Erm, Stone Cold had amazing technical matches up until Owen broke his neck. He wasn't as good after. (Read other posts like LC's on this topic.) |
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12-24-2005, 09:09 AM
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yes. yes. yes.
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12-24-2005, 09:16 AM
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Don't be hatin' bitch!
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In no order
Eddie Guerrero Ric Flair Chris Jericho Christian Chris Benoit HBK Kurt Angle Bret Hart Steve Austin The Rock |
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12-24-2005, 10:11 AM
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I'm all there is
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not even thinking or looking at anybody else's. No order. I'm also only doing guys from American feds
Hogan Bret HBK Flair Andre Savage Dibiase Austin Rock Jericho --------- Taker Angle Piper Last edited by Loose Cannon; 12-24-2005 at 10:24 AM. |
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12-24-2005, 10:17 AM
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I'm all there is
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btw, anyone without Hogan on thier list, I would love to hear the reason why
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12-24-2005, 10:25 AM
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12-24-2005, 10:27 AM
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XBL TAG : Mootkinstein
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2,Angle 3,Rock 7,HHH 4,Christian 6,Jericho 8,Taker 10,Orton 9,Benoit 5,Eddie |
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12-24-2005, 10:30 AM
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I'm all there is
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what's your definition of lacking "in ring skill?" Doing "pretty" and a variety of moves does not make you have good in-ring skill. Hogan understood what he had to do every night in the ring and that made the business millions.
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12-24-2005, 11:35 AM
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Bent his wookie
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not a SINGLE mention of CM punk...this makes me want to watch more then 2of his matches beacuse you pepole arent swining from his nuts so hard in this thread....o and btw in no order
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12-24-2005, 11:38 AM
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Bent his wookie
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12-24-2005, 12:29 PM
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King K Cool
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Hulk Hogan The British Bulldog Owen Hart "Rowdy" Roddy Piper The Undertaker Triple H "Stone Cold" Steve Austin Chris Benoit Eddie Guerrero Chris Jericho |
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12-24-2005, 12:59 PM
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Ninja Mod, Esquire
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If you want to break it down in eras, that's different. Since I'm not taking the state of wrestling when they wrestled into account, I'm not taking into account that Hogan "cut it" for his time period. Also, one other thing, when I rank wrestlers, I don't consider how much money they made. Goldberg made WCW a lot of money, but I don't see people ranking him. |
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12-24-2005, 01:04 PM
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Stickman
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No order
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12-24-2005, 01:10 PM
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I'm all there is
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you got to consider how much money they made. Wrestling is a business where the ultimate goal is to make money. If we're doing this list from a "wrestling is a sport" standpoint, then I can't really say anything about anybody's lists. But to me, it's more of a business then a sport. And I also consider who has had mainstream appeal and brought together fathers, mothers, daughters, and sons to watch a wrestling show.
And Goldberg didn't last long enough to put him there, but I would if he was on top making money for at least 5 years. |
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12-24-2005, 01:35 PM
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Ninja Mod, Esquire
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12-24-2005, 01:46 PM
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Mas Vagina Porfavor
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Hulk Hogan
Steve Austin The Rock Ric Flair Bret Hart Sting Undertaker Kurt Angle Shawn Michaels Randy Savage I consider the top 3 as the actual "top 3". The rest are in no order. |
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12-24-2005, 02:36 PM
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Mr. No MITB
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No order:
Bret Hart Triple H The Rock HBK Kurt Angle Ric Flair Chris Jericho Eddie Guerrero Undertaker Austin |
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12-24-2005, 02:55 PM
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That's how I roll!!!
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Only wrestlers from my era 1998-on WWF(E) only
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12-24-2005, 05:45 PM
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Soundly Defeated Wadding
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I'm only doing my top four in depth.
1.) Steve Austin- I've never been a fan of SCSA by any means but I do have to say that he's done more for the business as a whole than anybody else in WWE (Even wrestling) history. He's the character that everyone wanted to be in real life. He did things that you wanted to do but previously could only dream of. Everything he did he did on his own terms and never even gave a second thought about anybody else. WWE's goldenchild. Made more money for McMahon than the entire current WWE roster has. 2.) The Undertaker- Nobody can really even think about wrestling anymore without thinking of the Undertaker. He has become a symbol of the product in a way. People associate The Undertaker with wrestling and wrestling with the Undertaker. And really THINK about his gimmick for a second. He's a guy walking around with his eyes rolled into his head that's supposedly dead and controlled by the urn that his ashes are in. It's probably one of the most ridiculous gimmicks in wrestling history when seen on paper but HE MAKES IT WORK. He makes you believe that a man could really have these powers and really rise from the dead. Anybody that can do that is a true performer. 3.) The Rock- SUB-PAR?? Are you fucking kidding me? Had he not gone off to live in his own little hollywood fatasyland, I truely believe that he would've been known as the greatest professional wrestler of all time bar none. This guy had/has it all. The look, the athleticism, the talent, the mic skills, and of course the charisma. Rocky could draw you into anything, no matter what he was saying. He could play the good guy and have people chanting his name just as easily as he could play the hardass arrogant bad guy. When he was on his massive face run and they kept pitting him against all the odds and he still came out on top (handicap matches with DX, etc) YOU COULD BELIEVE IT. You could believe that he could fight through all of those obstacles because he had a drive that nobody had. Trying to emulate that with Cena in present day is ridiculous to me... 4.) Triple H- Say what you will about Trips... but honestly, the WWE would not be what it is today if it had not been for Triple H. Obviously he's had his share of controversy with being apart of the backstage booking sessions and not wanted to put anybody over.. but all that aside, it works. Think about it. If a guy like Val Venis had the same power and backstage politics going for him and was World Champion, would it work the same for him as it did for Trips? No, it wouldn't. Triple H has the charisma and the look to pull it all off. His mic work has gotten a bit stale as of late but you know that when you see Trips booked in a match that it's a big deal. You know you're gonna see somethin sweet. Bottom line, he's made the company alot of money and is on top of the world right now. 5.) Hulk Hogan 6.) Dusty Rhodes 7.) Y2J 8.) Kurt Angle 9.) Roddy Piper 10.) Eddie Guererro |
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