The Official TPWW "Top 5 Reason's you can't blame..." Wrestling Thread Pt. 1

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 02:07 PM

Obviously, i am inspired by the ESPN broadcast, but i think it would be fun and interesting if we had one for WRESTLING. So i am going to start it off..the first topic is:

WCW for selling its company to Vince McMahon and the WWE

5 - Tony Schiavone announcing the conclusion of the Rock v. Foley title bout: What started out as an attempt to ruin WWE Raw's night, ended in a "must win" for the WWE in the ratings war. WCW and WWE were neck and neck between ratings that monday evening, as they have been since 1995. Eric Bischoff had other plans that night, which assisted in sealing the doom of the demise of WCW. He ordered Schiavone to annouce that Mick Foley would win the WWE title that night. At that instant, the numbers in the rating began to change quickly, for instead of people not tuning in because of the given information, they immediately turned their channels to USA. For what sources say, and what is common sense, if the WCW never announced the finish of that match, WCW would have come very close, if not, won the ratings war and would not have lost fanbase so drastically.

4 - Goldberg's winning streak: Goldberg was just too powerful and he could not lose. Yea, good short term plan, but long term affected WCW. The company was surrounded around Goldberg and who would break his streak. Not a "The Rock, SCSA, or Triple H" surrounding, more of a Hulk Hogan scenario, which took away stardom and ideas for other up and coming stars in the company. Goldberg had to lose one day, and when he did, he never recovered.

3 - David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship: If you ever want to demoralize, diminish, or mimmick a wrestling championship, this is the way to go. The likes of Ric Flair, Sting, Hulk Hogan, Harley Race, and many others created that belt into what it was, a piece of wrestling memorabilia. Wrestlers bleed, sweat, and paid their dues for this championship and in one single night, all of that glory was spat on. Arquette was an actor. Not a wrestler. An actor defeating a wrestler? No problem, for as we've seen the likes of Jay Leno and Chuck Norris have an impact on wrestling. But to win the most respected title in that company's history, that was an honor. The company attempted to bring back glory to it with the likes of Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, and Scott Steiner, but it will never have that same level of acheivement it once possessed.

2 - The resignation(s) of Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, and Eddie Guerrero: These four men were considered the "backbone" of WCW, putting in their blood, sweat, and energy into the sport that they loved. But because of the next reason that will be given, they began to become tired of the companies policies and people who were given "power". This ultimately lead to the four leaving the company and creating new storylines and ideas for the WWE writers.

And finally, #1..which everyone probably knows...

1 - No new talent development a.k.a. The n.W.o.: How could an idea that basically put WCW on the map as far as a ratings competitor with the WWE be the very virus that plagued WCW for almost 5 years? Simple. Give power and authority to wrestlers who only thought of themselves. The n.W.o. saved WCW like Michael Jordan did for the Chicago Bulls. But what set MJ on a higher pedastool than the n.W.o. and its members? Michael Jordan made his teammates and everyone around him better, in some type of personal aspect. The n.W.o. made no one better in the company except for themselves. They were always in the main events, headlines, and stories, which is fine when it was a GOOD storyline. But around spring of 1998, WCW should have known to pull the plug and establish new stars to bring them into the new millenium and keep the company running. While stars in the WWE such as Mick Foley, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Val Venis, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, just to name a few, were given the opprotunity, WCW still had the same people on top. This pretty much sealed the deal with the future of this franchise as fanbase was starting to decrease rapidly. As the old philosiphy goes: Veterans need to know when to step aside and know when to pass the torch. This never happened for WCW. Some say it did with Hogan v. Goldberg in '98, but just read #3 reason and you'll see why it didn't happen.

Well guys, this is it for pt.1 of TPWW's "Top 5 Reason You Can't Blame..."

Comments, Opinions, Suggestion?? They are all welcome

**The One** · 01-11-2006, 02:12 PM

I didn't know ANYONE blamed WWE for dominating or buying them out....just blamed them for fucking up the greatest storyline ever possible fallowed by turning their own product to shit.

**Y3J** · 01-11-2006, 02:14 PM

Did you write all that yourself?

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y3J

Did you write all that yourself?

Yea sir

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One

I didn't know ANYONE blamed WWE for dominating or buying them out....just blamed them for fucking up the greatest storyline ever possible fallowed by turning their own product to shit.

Here, i'll change the topic real quick

**The One** · 01-11-2006, 02:30 PM

Wonderful. No everyone in the TPWW Kingdom is happy again.

**Y3J** · 01-11-2006, 02:31 PM

You've given 4 reasons why we CAN blame WCW in your original post

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 02:41 PM

In other words, what i'm sayin is ~~shhhhhh~~ WCW divisions within the company. I'm sure that it wasn't Ted's idea to announce the Rock/Foley match or Bischoff's idea to give Arquette the title. See what i'm doing?

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 03:48 PM

But i see what you mean

**Johnny Vegas** · 01-11-2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The One

Wonderful. No everyone in the TPWW Kingdom is happy again.

damn right

01-11-2006, 02:07 PM	#1
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	The Official TPWW "Top 5 Reason's you can't blame..." Wrestling Thread Pt. 1 Obviously, i am inspired by the ESPN broadcast, but i think it would be fun and interesting if we had one for WRESTLING. So i am going to start it off..the first topic is: WCW for selling its company to Vince McMahon and the WWE 5 - Tony Schiavone announcing the conclusion of the Rock v. Foley title bout: What started out as an attempt to ruin WWE Raw's night, ended in a "must win" for the WWE in the ratings war. WCW and WWE were neck and neck between ratings that monday evening, as they have been since 1995. Eric Bischoff had other plans that night, which assisted in sealing the doom of the demise of WCW. He ordered Schiavone to annouce that Mick Foley would win the WWE title that night. At that instant, the numbers in the rating began to change quickly, for instead of people not tuning in because of the given information, they immediately turned their channels to USA. For what sources say, and what is common sense, if the WCW never announced the finish of that match, WCW would have come very close, if not, won the ratings war and would not have lost fanbase so drastically. 4 - Goldberg's winning streak: Goldberg was just too powerful and he could not lose. Yea, good short term plan, but long term affected WCW. The company was surrounded around Goldberg and who would break his streak. Not a "The Rock, SCSA, or Triple H" surrounding, more of a Hulk Hogan scenario, which took away stardom and ideas for other up and coming stars in the company. Goldberg had to lose one day, and when he did, he never recovered. 3 - David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship: If you ever want to demoralize, diminish, or mimmick a wrestling championship, this is the way to go. The likes of Ric Flair, Sting, Hulk Hogan, Harley Race, and many others created that belt into what it was, a piece of wrestling memorabilia. Wrestlers bleed, sweat, and paid their dues for this championship and in one single night, all of that glory was spat on. Arquette was an actor. Not a wrestler. An actor defeating a wrestler? No problem, for as we've seen the likes of Jay Leno and Chuck Norris have an impact on wrestling. But to win the most respected title in that company's history, that was an honor. The company attempted to bring back glory to it with the likes of Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, and Scott Steiner, but it will never have that same level of acheivement it once possessed. 2 - The resignation(s) of Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, and Eddie Guerrero: These four men were considered the "backbone" of WCW, putting in their blood, sweat, and energy into the sport that they loved. But because of the next reason that will be given, they began to become tired of the companies policies and people who were given "power". This ultimately lead to the four leaving the company and creating new storylines and ideas for the WWE writers. And finally, #1..which everyone probably knows... 1 - No new talent development a.k.a. The n.W.o.: How could an idea that basically put WCW on the map as far as a ratings competitor with the WWE be the very virus that plagued WCW for almost 5 years? Simple. Give power and authority to wrestlers who only thought of themselves. The n.W.o. saved WCW like Michael Jordan did for the Chicago Bulls. But what set MJ on a higher pedastool than the n.W.o. and its members? Michael Jordan made his teammates and everyone around him better, in some type of personal aspect. The n.W.o. made no one better in the company except for themselves. They were always in the main events, headlines, and stories, which is fine when it was a GOOD storyline. But around spring of 1998, WCW should have known to pull the plug and establish new stars to bring them into the new millenium and keep the company running. While stars in the WWE such as Mick Foley, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Triple H, Val Venis, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, just to name a few, were given the opprotunity, WCW still had the same people on top. This pretty much sealed the deal with the future of this franchise as fanbase was starting to decrease rapidly. As the old philosiphy goes: Veterans need to know when to step aside and know when to pass the torch. This never happened for WCW. Some say it did with Hogan v. Goldberg in '98, but just read #3 reason and you'll see why it didn't happen. Well guys, this is it for pt.1 of TPWW's "Top 5 Reason You Can't Blame..." Comments, Opinions, Suggestion?? They are all welcome Last edited by Johnny Vegas; 01-11-2006 at 02:23 PM.

01-11-2006, 02:12 PM	#2
The One Boss Posts: 17,611	I didn't know ANYONE blamed WWE for dominating or buying them out....just blamed them for fucking up the greatest storyline ever possible fallowed by turning their own product to shit.

01-11-2006, 02:14 PM	#3
Y3J Mr. No MITB Posts: 952	Did you write all that yourself?

01-11-2006, 02:30 PM	#6
The One Boss Posts: 17,611	Wonderful. No everyone in the TPWW Kingdom is happy again.

01-11-2006, 02:31 PM	#7
Y3J Mr. No MITB Posts: 952	You've given 4 reasons why we CAN blame WCW in your original post

01-11-2006, 02:41 PM	#8
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	In other words, what i'm sayin is ~~shhhhhh~~ WCW divisions within the company. I'm sure that it wasn't Ted's idea to announce the Rock/Foley match or Bischoff's idea to give Arquette the title. See what i'm doing?

01-11-2006, 03:48 PM	#9
Johnny Vegas Head on a Rollercoaster Posts: 6,756	But i see what you mean