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Old 03-02-2006, 03:49 PM   #1
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How can TNA Beat WWE?
Over the past few months WWE has progressed, however slow that progress may be, from the bullcrap it was last year. With the suprise of Edge's money in the bank championship, the bringing in of Joey Styles, and the Cruiserweight Comeback, WWE has a slowstart in coming back. IT is however better than TNA.

TNA in my opinion, I'm sure many will agree, has superior matches. The X diviision is exciting. As a wrestling fan i often catch myself going "shit" when i see wrestlers like Petey Williams and AJ Styles. The victory Road Gauntlet A couple years ago was a great showcase of all the talent TNA, at that time, had to offer. NOw that the WWE has Brian Kendrick and Paul London on a team they may actually have some competition for TNA's highflyers. What does TNA need to beat WWE?

First A big name.

Biggest name they have:
Sting
HE came in and then left. I think this is probably the beginning of an angle where sting comes back, I hope they don't drop the ball on this one.

BIggest name they need (and could possibly get):
Rob Van Dam
HE is underutilized in WWE and with the Clique of rhyno christian, and team 3d forming he may have a premade home. Plus his wrestling style may be perfectly utilized in TNA. Can you imagine a match of AJ Styles v. RVD, Chris Sabin? Petey Williams? The possiblities are endless

Second A monday NIght spot
Would WWE never have claimed the Monday night spot they never would have beat WCW.

Better Writers
Heyman...again underutilized in WWE... A perfect home may be WWE

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Old 03-02-2006, 04:03 PM   #2
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2 hour timeslot. One of TNA's biggest problems these days is overbooking. Too much happens in a 1 hour show.
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Second A monday NIght spot
Would WWE never have claimed the Monday night spot they never would have beat WCW.
I'm not sure what that means....the WWE had the Monday Night Slot first. And they were demolishing the NWA/WCW for decades before the nWo era came along. Basically, TNA should be concened with a better time slot, regardless of the day of the week.
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Old 03-02-2006, 04:25 PM   #6
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I think a Monday night slot would kill TNA at the moment. Their upcoming Thursday slot is ideal for them, though it could do with an extra hour obviously. I've found myself starting to catch Impact more and more often as of late. And it's actually good stuff. But also, the length of their matches is just painful at times. A bit too many 1 minute squash matches, but again, it's all down to their crappy 1 hour slot.
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about having monday night before wcw did, I could have been saying if they wouldn't have gotten a timeslot and WCW did.. but really it was just a mistake.. my bad
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.....when the hell did AJ ever join WWE? Or am I misreading your first paragraph?
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WWE has been making progress? If so, I am missing it.

It is pre-wrestlemania, the period of time where you are supposed to be interested the most, and the only thing that is interesting me is RVD possibly winning MITB and getting a title shot and the cena/hhh feud (only because i've been waiting for this feud for 2 years)

I was pretty pumped for wrestlemania last year
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Just sit back and let Vince continue his ride on the Crazy Train.
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WWE has been making progress? If so, I am missing it.

It is pre-wrestlemania, the period of time where you are supposed to be interested the most, and the only thing that is interesting me is RVD possibly winning MITB and getting a title shot and the cena/hhh feud (only because i've been waiting for this feud for 2 years)

I was pretty pumped for wrestlemania last year
What he said. At this point, I should be looking forward to Mania. Even last year they had me interested. This year the only thought in my mind about Mania is how sad it is that this is probably the first one I won't buy since I've had the means.


I've found myself losing so much interest I didn't care when I forgot to tape Raw this week. I did tape Smackdown, and I didn't watch it until like yesterday or so. Edge's push was anathema to common sense. Flair's in MitB. Vince is in a wrestling match. Rey's main eventing. This, my friends, is fucking retarded.
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Old 03-02-2006, 07:09 PM   #18
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Right now, the only one with the power to beat WWE is Vince.
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Right now, the only one with the power to beat WWE is Vince.
I don't even think that would work. Even if you subscribe to the idea that Vince is one of these nutjobs that enjoys the struggle to succeed so much that he actually sabotages himself once he gets to the top just so that he can fight his way back up again, the WWE is a public corporation with a board of directors whose only purpose is to maintain the company's profit margin. Vince couldn't tank his position in the industry if he tried.

TNA's best hope is for one of its characters to catch fire and to get to the point where they are a money-making national company.

But it would take an extinction level event to knock the WWE off its perch at this point.
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But it would take an extinction level event to knock the WWE off its perch at this point.
Are you foreshadowing a particular Wrestlemania swerve~ PH????
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Yeah...In regards to the first poster...AJ hasn't been in the WWE since the WWF days. And that was a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. I doubt AJ wants any part of the WWE now when he's got a sweet deal in TNA.
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I don't even think that would work. Even if you subscribe to the idea that Vince is one of these nutjobs that enjoys the struggle to succeed so much that he actually sabotages himself once he gets to the top just so that he can fight his way back up again, the WWE is a public corporation with a board of directors whose only purpose is to maintain the company's profit margin. Vince couldn't tank his position in the industry if he tried.

TNA's best hope is for one of its characters to catch fire and to get to the point where they are a money-making national company.

But it would take an extinction level event to knock the WWE off its perch at this point.
Who said anything about sboataging himself to fight his way back up? The programming is flailing for some reason, but the concept of sabotage with the intent of rebuilding is a bit of a stretch PH. Besides, they've had to cut tons of corners over the last couple of years, where were the board on that? Right.
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They can't and won't beat WWE. The monopoly WWE has on the wrestling industry is enormous.
You ever watch a rocket launch?

As each segment runs out of fuel, it is ejected to reduce the mass and keep the rockedt from falling into the sea totally.

WWE has been shrinking to avoid failure in a similar fashion. The size of their monopoly is shrinking fast.
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tna fears the tazer. goldberg represents tna and then just when it looks like he is going to spear nash (wwe) scott hall comes in with the tazer and stuns his hairy chest and nash (wwe) beats goldberg (tna).

who's scott hall in this scenario?
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If TNA wants to "beat" Vince, TNA needs to emulate Vince. No, I'm not saying they need to have Abyss eat worms, or talk about Jeff Hardy's blogs. Give TNA enough time and the talent to build itself up. Let them take a guy who they think is a diamond in the rough and cram him down our throats like when Hulkamania started to run wild. Get an anti-hero to go after the boss and then side with him like Steve Austin.

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Coke and pepsi are the same thing. Coke has been around alot longer, and all Pepsi did was mess with the natural flavors. Same thing could work for TNA. Copy the WWE.
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Isnt that sorta what Raven is doing?
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Who said anything about sboataging himself to fight his way back up? The programming is flailing for some reason, but the concept of sabotage with the intent of rebuilding is a bit of a stretch PH. Besides, they've had to cut tons of corners over the last couple of years, where were the board on that? Right.
I think I didn't explain what I was trying to say there very well: basically I was saying that the WWE is so far ahead of the game right now that even if Vince was out of his mind and tried to tank his comapny, it wouldn't work.

But I do like your rocket ship analogy and I agree that the WWe has cut a lot of corners to remain fiscally solvent, but TNA is so far behind that we could be discussing what they 'could do' for years before TNA is ever considered competition.

Even without a monooly, the WWE has a large grip on the business during a down period. So all the other feds are left to scrape for the crumbs of a very small pie. TNA right now is just getting the biggest crumbs.
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If TNA wants to "beat" Vince, TNA needs to emulate Vince. No, I'm not saying they need to have Abyss eat worms, or talk about Jeff Hardy's blogs. Give TNA enough time and the talent to build itself up. Let them take a guy who they think is a diamond in the rough and cram him down our throats like when Hulkamania started to run wild. Get an anti-hero to go after the boss and then side with him like Steve Austin.
If they are trying this with Raven it won't work. Not because of raven, but because the other part of that dynamic is Larry Zbysko, who's just boring as hell at this point.
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Old 03-03-2006, 04:32 AM   #31
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I think TNA should try guerrilla warfare with the WWE. Take cheap shots at them. Have TNA take (rightful) credit for a large majority of Ric Flair's "16" World Title reigns. Start using the phrase "The Champ is Here" in association with Samoa Joe. If the WWE cries about this, have Samoa Joe basically punk Cena out saying he will take him on any given day. Get commentary to drop little lines like "I'd like to see Triple H pull that off".

They don't have the platform to attack the WWE directly at the moment, but that doesn't mean they can't try and wake up the people watching their show (slowly but steadily getting to the entire wrestling fanbase) to the fact that the WWE has gone to shits.

They need to start pointing out that Jarrett is a ten-time World Champion, then have him lose to guys like Christian Cage to get them over.

Christian & Jeff Jarrett need to get on the phones to The Rock & Chris Jericho. Especially The Rock. Sure, he can't do too many shows, but when he stops into Miami to be with his family, have him show up at the Impact! Zone. The Rock vs. Jeff Jarrett, The Rock vs. Christian Cage and The Rock vs. Sting are three matches which would establish TNA as a top entity in sports entertainment.

Chris Jericho would make a fine actor, but I think his true calling was for professional wrestling. I hope the guy finds it in his heart to lend TNA the helping hand of at least an appearance.

TNA should try to get Brock Lesnar as well. Lesnar's probably pissed off at the WWE. If Spike TV can give Lesnar a similiar deal to Goldberg & Sting, I think Brock would work some classics with Samoa Joe.
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Old 03-03-2006, 04:39 AM   #32
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Old 03-03-2006, 04:52 AM   #33
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I think TNA should try guerrilla warfare with the WWE. Take cheap shots at them. Have TNA take (rightful) credit for a large majority of Ric Flair's "16" World Title reigns. Start using the phrase "The Champ is Here" in association with Samoa Joe. If the WWE cries about this, have Samoa Joe basically punk Cena out saying he will take him on any given day. Get commentary to drop little lines like "I'd like to see Triple H pull that off".

They don't have the platform to attack the WWE directly at the moment, but that doesn't mean they can't try and wake up the people watching their show (slowly but steadily getting to the entire wrestling fanbase) to the fact that the WWE has gone to shits.

They need to start pointing out that Jarrett is a ten-time World Champion, then have him lose to guys like Christian Cage to get them over.

Christian & Jeff Jarrett need to get on the phones to The Rock & Chris Jericho. Especially The Rock. Sure, he can't do too many shows, but when he stops into Miami to be with his family, have him show up at the Impact! Zone. The Rock vs. Jeff Jarrett, The Rock vs. Christian Cage and The Rock vs. Sting are three matches which would establish TNA as a top entity in sports entertainment.

Chris Jericho would make a fine actor, but I think his true calling was for professional wrestling. I hope the guy finds it in his heart to lend TNA the helping hand of at least an appearance.

TNA should try to get Brock Lesnar as well. Lesnar's probably pissed off at the WWE. If Spike TV can give Lesnar a similiar deal to Goldberg & Sting, I think Brock would work some classics with Samoa Joe.
The fact that Jeff Jarrett is a 10 time heavyweight champion makes me want to vomit with rage.
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Old 03-03-2006, 06:23 AM   #34
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I think TNA should try guerrilla warfare with the WWE. Take cheap shots at them. Have TNA take (rightful) credit for a large majority of Ric Flair's "16" World Title reigns. Start using the phrase "The Champ is Here" in association with Samoa Joe. If the WWE cries about this, have Samoa Joe basically punk Cena out saying he will take him on any given day. Get commentary to drop little lines like "I'd like to see Triple H pull that off".

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I dont know if TNA should be doing cheap shots at wwe. WCW did it during the monday night wars which only made people tune in to the wwf. TNA should just concetrate on thier own show.


Thier biggest problem is having enough time to promote thier ppv's though thier shows. Thier ppv' are excelllent but tna needs an extra hour to develop thier characters.
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:34 AM   #35
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I think I didn't explain what I was trying to say there very well: basically I was saying that the WWE is so far ahead of the game right now that even if Vince was out of his mind and tried to tank his comapny, it wouldn't work.
Really. So you think that all the cutbacks in terms of personel, expenses, and so on will sort themselves out, even though they haven't already? WWE have made HUGE cutbacks to stop themselves from hemmoraging money.

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But I do like your rocket ship analogy and I agree that the WWe has cut a lot of corners to remain fiscally solvent, but TNA is so far behind that we could be discussing what they 'could do' for years before TNA is ever considered competition.
This is where the ball's in WWE's court. Smackdown's been clocking in at about a 3.0 of late according to online sources, and since I've caught those online sources overestimating the Raw ratings like three times in two months, I'm not even sure it's doing THAT well.


This is pretty far down from Smackdown actually beating Raw in ratings, and it doens't look like it's getting much better.

Raw's been lackluster, and it doesn't strike me that they can keep up as-is right now. Their ratings finally saw a legit increase, but they're a far cry from what they were. And consider they're competing with fucking Spongebob for ratings, where once they dominated. This is bad for sponsorship.

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Even without a monooly, the WWE has a large grip on the business during a down period. So all the other feds are left to scrape for the crumbs of a very small pie. TNA right now is just getting the biggest crumbs.
Consider, for a moment, the fact that there are now two other "promotions" coming to the scene. Would these companies be doing it if they didn't see something viable, feasible, in doing so?

TNA's got pretty damn good ratings for a show with no real time slot. I'm not saying that translates immediately into "it'll be a success," but they're already doing good for themselves in their current scenario. Now, ot expand, they need to do a lot--Which they're already doing. Meanwhile, WWE is stagnating, and the ONLY reason they're not losing money is the continuous cutbacks.

Other companies smell blood in the water, and think that they can make some money out of this too. Maybe they're right, or maybe they're wrong. That's not the point. The point is that the monopoly and the grip is crumbling.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:42 PM   #36
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If they are trying this with Raven it won't work. Not because of raven, but because the other part of that dynamic is Larry Zbysko, who's just boring as hell at this point.
It COULD be done with Raven, let's face it. Larry Zbysko isn't Vince. Vince was promoted as the boss, the man with all the power. Larry is part of a group. And when it comes to mic skills, let's face it. Raven is no Steve Austin.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:49 PM   #37
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Old 03-04-2006, 07:08 PM   #38
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Isnt that sorta what Raven is doing?
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Old 03-04-2006, 07:14 PM   #39
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LOL, I love the way you're trying to insult the man by picking apart the meaning of his name, when he was perfectly aware of the meaning before he took it on.
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Old 03-04-2006, 07:27 PM   #40
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LOL, I love the way you're trying to insult the man by picking apart the meaning of his name, when he was perfectly aware of the meaning before he took it on.
Really? I thought it was random chance that he was using a variant of Poe's famous "Quoth the Raven" line.
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