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Old 03-24-2006, 10:00 PM   #1
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Does anyone else have trouble buying the Ankle Lock on big people?
Specifically, we've seen it several times done on Henry, and it doesn't look impressive or shit.

I've got to say this: I respect what a joint lock can do. I've been put in locks by people half my size which have left me with no option but to tap like a little bitch. I know exactly how beautiful these moves can be in that they do not require you to be stronger than your opponent. However comma, I see them on TV, and it's like, "meh." The pro wrestling belief-suspension doesn't much work.

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Old 03-24-2006, 10:03 PM   #2
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I think the grapevined version looks more impressive on bigger men. He should use his standing variant for smaller guys, and the grapevined version for larger guys.

They should have kept the Angle Slam a credible finishing move. That way Angle has a back-up when the Ankle Lock doesn't cut it.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:04 PM   #3
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I agree with that completely.

I was sitting there at the Supershow Monday night watching Henry in the lock, and I thought the exact same thing. It's true about not having to be stronger than the "lockee", but from where I was sitting in the crowd, it looked like Henry could've just rolled and thrown him off.
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But come on. It's Mark Henry. No one could make him look good or vice versa.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:15 PM   #5
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Yeah, but it'd look bad on any big guy.
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But come on. It's Mark Henry. No one could make him look good or vice versa.
I disagree, I think Kurt has done for Henry what Brock did for the Big Show and Albert. Made them entertaining and had good matches (decent at least).
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:17 PM   #7
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Incredible by Henry standards...Shit by Angle standards.
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Incredible by Henry standards...Shit by Angle standards.
While this is true, it still creates an overall good match. Brock did the same for Big Show and Albert, no one could take those two to solid matches yet Brock brought something out in them. Kurt Angle (being the God of wrestling he is; could carry me to a 5 star match) has brought the best out in both Henry and Orton (in my opinion from a wrestling stand point). I've not wanted to turn my tv off during a Henry match in a while.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:22 PM   #9
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Are you purposing that Angle could carry you to a 5 star match, and can't carry Henry to a 3 star match?
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Are you purposing that Angle could carry you to a 5 star match, and can't carry Henry to a 3 star match?
I am, on the sole basis if nothing else he could whip my ass in a shoot. I've got a MMA backround so we could at the very least fake some chain wrestling :-p
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:24 PM   #11
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That and with my Wushu backround I could do some pretty spots involving Angle flinging me like a rag doll. That would be amusing from at least a holy shit he's dead stand point. Jeff Hardy marks would love it.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:27 PM   #12
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I'm glad you think a wrestler could carry a rag doll to good match...damn shame it actually takes two people who know what their doing...hence why WWE doesn't offer you Mark Henry's contract. As shitty as he is, he was kind of trained...maybe.
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Old 03-24-2006, 10:28 PM   #13
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By the way...Mark Henry...trained by The Harts. Tell me you put out better matches then someone The Harts trained.
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I'm glad you think a wrestler could carry a rag doll to good match...damn shame it actually takes two people who know what their doing...hence why WWE doesn't offer you Mark Henry's contract. As shitty as he is, he was kind of trained...maybe.
lol, it was sarcasm mate. But yeah, I respect what those guys could do and I gather that it takes two, else Kurt, Benoit, Hart (Owen, I'm sorry Bret didn't was very good to me, not great ), Daniels, Lynn, and Michaels would have had minimum 4 star matches every time.
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I thought the Jeff Hardy marks loving it comment would suffice and cover the . I apologize.
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I'm glad you think a wrestler could carry a rag doll to good match...damn shame it actually takes two people who know what their doing...hence why WWE doesn't offer you Mark Henry's contract. As shitty as he is, he was kind of trained...maybe.
Which is the exact mentally handicapped logic that allows dangerous workers in the ring in the first place.
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Old 03-25-2006, 02:13 AM   #20
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As long as the person taking the move makes it LOOK like it's hurting like a bitch and the person applying the move locks it in with intensity and with no visible means for an escape (like Shamrock when he used to sit down with the hold, none of this standing up and elevating the leg nonsense) then yeah, I could buy it on a large guy.
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I think the grapevined version looks more impressive on bigger men. He should use his standing variant for smaller guys, and the grapevined version for larger guys.

They should have kept the Angle Slam a credible finishing move. That way Angle has a back-up when the Ankle Lock doesn't cut it.
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Honestly, I never really found the Ankle Lock to be the most impressive LOOKING hold to begin with. Even with guys Kurt's own size, it somehow appears as though it'd be easy to get out of or avoid being locked in. But, to be honest, I don't see it as any worse on guys like Mr. Henry or the Big Show.
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Honestly, I never really found the Ankle Lock to be the most impressive LOOKING hold to begin with. Even with guys Kurt's own size, it somehow appears as though it'd be easy to get out of or avoid being locked in. But, to be honest, I don't see it as any worse on guys like Mr. Henry or the Big Show.
Very few joint lock finishers are impressive. Most submissions only really look impressive if you're sitting on the guy as you torque them ro whatever. Like when some people really lean into a sharpshooter.

For some reason, the Crossface is exempt to this, IMO.
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The smaller (Or not huge) guys can lift most of their bodies off the mat with their hands while Kurt stands straight up... and even leans back a tad.


Guys like Taker and Kane are really tall so when Angle stands up in the Angle lock, they're still on their knees.


Guys like Henry and Viscera are freaking huge and can barely lift themselves off the ground and Kurt can't hold them up for too long.

The last two examples are when the leg lock Angle lock looks a lot better.

I miss Shamrock.
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