TPWW Forums  

Go Back   TPWW Forums > w r e s t l i n g > wrestling forum
Reload this Page Your thoughts on Razor Ramon as a face.
Register Members List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-04-2006, 02:31 AM   #1
D Mac
 
Posts: 21,603
D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)
Your thoughts on Razor Ramon as a face.
He was pretty popular back then and held the IC title numerous times.

Now I don't think he ever got a World Title Shot as a heel or a face I can't remember but I think he should have.



D Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 02:34 AM   #2
The One
Boss
 
The One's Avatar
 
Posts: 17,611
The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)
I know at the Rumble in '93 he fought Hart for the WWF Title...

But without a doubt I think Hall should have won the belt...or for god sake at least in WCW. Even if he did fall down drunk, he still wouldn't have been the worst champ.
The One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 08:20 AM   #3
Ben Rodrigues
 
Ben Rodrigues's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,798
Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)
Hall would've drawn huge in WCW as champion. He was insanely over.
Ben Rodrigues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 08:58 AM   #4
Rammsteinmad
TPWW's #3 Peep
 
Rammsteinmad's Avatar
 
Posts: 20,902
Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Uncensored 1998 against Sting and SuperBrawl 2000 against Sid Vicious and Jeff Jarrett. Two more title shots he got (in WCW).
Rammsteinmad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 09:05 AM   #5
Ben Rodrigues
 
Ben Rodrigues's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,798
Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)
Didn't he also win one of the World War III battle royals?
Ben Rodrigues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 09:13 AM   #6
Impeccable
Tag Team Wrestling Mark!
 
Impeccable's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,340
Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)Impeccable is good (20,000+)
Razor Ramon was one of the first heels to turn face that didn't lose much of his character. I think he was one of the first to do this, and set the tone for characters like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Their characters, as heels were insanely over, and they became popular with the fans.

They were times when Vince listened to the fan reaction.

He would have been a great champion, but perhaps Vince was justified in his decision not to put the strap on Hall what with the manner he left for WCW in. It showed a lack of loyalty.
Impeccable is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 03:35 PM   #7
D Mac
 
Posts: 21,603
D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)
I loved that crybaby match between him and X Prick. Mainly because I hate the shit out of Shaun Waltman.
D Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 04:36 PM   #8
Rob
Part time poster
 
Rob's Avatar
 
Posts: 22,963
Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)Rob has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Rodrigues
Hall would've drawn huge in WCW as champion. He was insanely over.
Not true.
Rob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 06:37 PM   #9
SammyG
LAKE SHOW HOES
 
SammyG's Avatar
 
Posts: 25,764
SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)SammyG got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
I marked out everytime for ''Hey yo''. And the toothpick flick.
SammyG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 06:39 PM   #10
Funky Fly
The Satanic Mechanic
 
Funky Fly's Avatar
 
Posts: 52,521
Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Funky Fly makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
I wish he'd had 1 title run in the WWF before he left.
Funky Fly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2006, 07:08 PM   #11
neuicon
ER IST ALLES.
 
neuicon's Avatar
 
Posts: 104
neuicon does not have that much rep yet (10+)
Same here, he should've had a run for the belt. He would've been a great WWF Champ as heel...
neuicon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2006, 02:22 AM   #12
Aussie Skier
So long, Eddie! miss you.
 
Aussie Skier's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,910
Aussie Skier is "reptacular" (2,500+)Aussie Skier is "reptacular" (2,500+)Aussie Skier is "reptacular" (2,500+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impeccable
Razor Ramon was one of the first heels to turn face that didn't lose much of his character. I think he was one of the first to do this, and set the tone for characters like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Their characters, as heels were insanely over, and they became popular with the fans.

They were times when Vince listened to the fan reaction.

He would have been a great champion, but perhaps Vince was justified in his decision not to put the strap on Hall what with the manner he left for WCW in. It showed a lack of loyalty.

It's his own fault he was never champ.
I'm certain that had he stuck around in the WWF he would have been champ, heck, Kevin Nash was champ for a year, surely razor could've got at least 1 run.

I loved that era of wrestling
Lex Luger, Tatanka, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Owen Hart, Taker, Bob Backlund, Doink, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, the million dollar corporation..GOLD!.
Aussie Skier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2006, 02:31 AM   #13
Ben Rodrigues
 
Ben Rodrigues's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,798
Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie_Skier
It's his own fault he was never champ.
I'm certain that had he stuck around in the WWF he would have been champ, heck, Kevin Nash was champ for a year, surely razor could've got at least 1 run.

I loved that era of wrestling
Lex Luger, Tatanka, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Owen Hart, Taker, Bob Backlund, Doink, Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, the million dollar corporation..GOLD!.
You enjoyed 1995? Interesting...

I guess I shouldn't talk - I enjoyed 1996 for some reason.
Ben Rodrigues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2006, 02:39 AM   #14
Ben Rodrigues
 
Ben Rodrigues's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,798
Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)Ben Rodrigues is good (20,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob
Not true.
Really?
Ben Rodrigues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 01:11 AM   #15
Loose Cannon
I'm all there is
 
Loose Cannon's Avatar
 
Posts: 31,811
Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
Hall was over, but he wouldn't of been taken seriously as a World Champ imo. And this is pertaining to the post about him in WCW. I think most people saw him as just an upper midcarder. He played 2nd fiddle to Hogan and Nash all the time. The crowd ate his stuff up, but I dunno if he would of done well as champ.

Now to answer the question. That was an awesome turn because Razor was still Razor like mentioned. He took the money and threw it right back in Money Inc's face (that was the turn right?) and that was just his character. He didn't need any help. He was still a cool babyface.

I thought it was great when The Kid turned on him though. They had such a memorable past that I was shocked when The Kid joined Dibiase. I liked that angle.
Loose Cannon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 01:18 AM   #16
The One
Boss
 
The One's Avatar
 
Posts: 17,611
The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)The One has a relatively large amount of rep (50,000+)
Hall wouldn't have made a credible WCW World Champ? I don't think he played second fiddle to Nash and Hogan...well Hogan yeah but Bischoff made it so everyone played second fiddle to him. He was over like mad, he had the crowd behind him as a face or a heel. Not only that, talk to most marks...I am amazed at how many people actually think he WAS Champ. Besides, this is the WCW Belt we're talking about...the same belt worn by David Arquette, Vince Russo...certainly he was more credible then Ron Simmons, Sid Vicious, Vader, or Jeff Jarrett.
The One is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 01:32 AM   #17
Loose Cannon
I'm all there is
 
Loose Cannon's Avatar
 
Posts: 31,811
Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)Loose Cannon got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
I'm talking strickly during 96-99. That's when he was at his best. He was always behind Hogan, Nash, Goldberg, Sting, even Luger. Like there were times where they could of pushed him huge like after he won World War 3, but they never went with it. He was always in the US Title picture or being jobbed to the guys who were going for Hogan.

I just really couldn't see Hall carrying the company at that time, especially with how he was always used.

Keep in mind I love Scott Hall. He my top 5 fav's of all-time and I wished they would of gave him at least a strong run at the Title.
Loose Cannon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 02:48 AM   #18
D Mac
 
Posts: 21,603
D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)D Mac has 75,000 or more rep points (75,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by The One
Hall wouldn't have made a credible WCW World Champ? I don't think he played second fiddle to Nash and Hogan...well Hogan yeah but Bischoff made it so everyone played second fiddle to him. He was over like mad, he had the crowd behind him as a face or a heel. Not only that, talk to most marks...I am amazed at how many people actually think he WAS Champ. Besides, this is the WCW Belt we're talking about...the same belt worn by David Arquette, Vince Russo...certainly he was more credible then Ron Simmons, Sid Vicious, Vader, or Jeff Jarrett.
Hey, Sid was a great champ.
D Mac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 02:55 AM   #19
PullMyFinger
 
PullMyFinger's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,319
PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)PullMyFinger has a good deal of rep (10,000+)
I think he will forever be one of the most popular and influential wrestlers ever to NOT hold the world title.
PullMyFinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 11:59 AM   #20
Flair Wooo
 
Posts: 2,901
Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)
Curt Hennig
Flair Wooo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 12:33 PM   #21
loopydate
FIT Challenge Slag People
 
loopydate's Avatar
 
Posts: 13,816
loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)loopydate makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Didn't Hennig win the AWA World Title in 1987/88? Back when AWA was still a real "World" Title?
loopydate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2006, 12:42 PM   #22
Flair Wooo
 
Posts: 2,901
Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)Flair Wooo is "reptacular" (2,500+)
Yes he did win the awa title..still; should of been wwf champ or at least wcw champ!
Flair Wooo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2006, 04:29 PM   #23
The Heat
Long live Latino Heat!
 
The Heat's Avatar
 
Posts: 197
The Heat does not have that much rep yet (10+)
RE: Razor as a face.
Razor Ramon was much better as a heel than face. His promos were better and he seemed more natural as a heel...

I'm surprized to this day, that Hall was neither WWF or WCW World Champion. Especially when you consider that his nWo co-creators Nash & Hogan were champs in both feds[and were much poorer workers]. Nash & Hogan were both awful in-ring and were only champs in WCW because of their mediocre runs in WWF.

What was Vince smokin? He made Nash & Hogan WWF Champion and even Psycho Sid held the title. Meanwhile, guys like Mr. Perfect & Razor never got to take that next step to greatness. It's sad those guys[Hennig & Hall] won't be remembered in the books of wrestling history, but, guys like Hogan & Nash[both overrated horribly] will be remembered as "good champions"........

It's also sad that Hall couldn't stay sober enough to have a last run in either TNA/WWE. He would be a major asset to either fed right at the current moment. Although TNA needs him more[lack of stars].
The Heat is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:25 AM.

Forums Home - TPWW - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin®