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Old 05-04-2006, 03:28 PM   #1
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Sex in Games. Good or Bad?
http://news.spong.com/article/9979

It would seem Wired Magazine is obsessed with the topic of sex in videogames. Why this is the case is anyone’s guess? SPOnG suspects that it is because it is mainly written by elderly American liberals (read: hippies) who previously - somewhat mistakenly - thought that sex was the path to all human liberation.

Anyways, in the wake of last year's ridiculous Grand Theft Auto/Hot Coffee debacle, and what with E3 being sex-free this year (well, scantily-clad booth-babe free at least) we thought it was time to give a bit of our fractured, ADD-addled attention to the subject of sex and how it is handled by videogame designers and marketers. Sex, as any male human with a pulse will tell you, is something that we think of a lot. So it makes sense that some games will incorporate it in one way or another: some potentially good, some cringeworthily bad.

Wired spoke to Brenda Brathwaite, lead designer on Playboy: The Mansion, and a vociferous campaigner for sex in videogames. Brathwaite leads the sex task force at the International Game Developers Association (yes, there is such a group!) and gives talks at numerous conferences. Many refer to her simply as 'The Sex in Games Lady'. Braithwaite has just penned a book, simply titled ‘Sex in Video Games’ (out later this year) and is set to chair the first Sex in Games Conference in June.

Without further ado, here is an edited extract of the most interesting bits from the Wired interview:

Wired News: So what's it like to be the sex in games lady?

Brenda Brathwaite: I am the sex in games lady -- how'd that happen? I'm very passionate about it, I love it, and it's also very weird. Somebody has got to speak about adult content.... It's a real industry and I'm ever aware that saying something tasteless could immediately send it 10 years back.

I believe it's not fair to be forced to have a Disneyesque palette for your games. If somebody said to an artist you couldn't have any nudes in a museum, you have to take them all down because kids might see them, then artists would be in an uproar. If that happened to the movie industry? Actors would walk. Everybody would. But when that specter is raised in games it doesn't make the news.

It's also kind of personal -- things happen that you'd never expect. I regularly get people coming up to me who have a particular fetish and want to know where they can find a game for it. I never expected that people would tell me about their sex experiences. But when we moved -- I have an overwhelming amount of research material, porno games, etc. -- the movers assumed it was my husband's. When they found out it was mine, the look on their faces was worth everything.

WN: Why have a Sex in Videogames Conference?

Brathwaite: Because it's never happened. This is the stuff I sit in my office and wonder about. Every one of the panels was put together because I'd like an answer. One is on the moral issues we face in these type of games -- and the ethics when people can be anything they want. It's also an opportunity for people interested in networking, and for people interested in investing, hoping to meet with developers. There's so much as an industry that we need to discuss in depth.

WN: How does the industry respond to you?

Brathwaite: I'm out there saying that games aren't just for kids, they're for the average 29-year-old male -- and he has a healthy sex drive. So far it's all been supportive. People might be thinking, "What's she doing?" But they haven't said it.

There are many companies and individuals working on adult content and afraid of being blackballed. Yet we're seeing more mature themes integrated into regular games. People don't have to like sexual content, and not every game should line up and have it. But don't tell me or any other developer we can't have it. It's about censorship.

WN: Do you have any games that you'd like to mention?

Brathwaite: Second Life is just the granddaddy of them all. It's really incredibly supportive of all the cultures that have arisen in it. Everything from people hooking up and going on dates, to Furrys, BDSM, emergent family structures, emergent sex businesses -- if you can think of it, it's there. LoveChess: Age of Egypt (NSFW) changes the way you think about chess strategy. When you take a square, basically, the pieces mate. You end up thinking, "How do I engineer that without losing the game?" Naughty America is a massively multiplayer online erotic game that will be really cool to see (when it's released).

WN: What do you see for the future of sex in video games?

Brathwaite: Probably in the not-too-distant future there will be games that could improve peoples' sex lives, therapy for couples. Sex is completely normal and natural. Humans have sex drive and interest and it's not an abnormal thing.



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Old 05-04-2006, 03:53 PM   #2
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I don't know; I've yet to see actual sex in a videogame. That hot coffee shit was no worse than that scene in Team America. These guys are trying to make a subject out of nothing really that serious (not as serious as say, women's roles in videogames or over-the-top violence). Sexuality in a game(Rumble Roses, Playboy, Larry) so far played to the comedic 'Man Show' audience, with minor exceptions like Indigo Prophecy appearing once a century. Tongue-in-cheek paradies like those are barely taken as serious as the magazine wants you and me to believe.

If anything, this is another example of the 'Spike TV' thought of gaming as a lesser media to Film and Music. In closing I like to say: Fuck you and your pussy-ass VG awards Spike TV; thanks for setting us back 2 years you peace of shit network.
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Old 05-04-2006, 04:33 PM   #3
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I didn't read the thread or article at all, but I rofl IRL at soccer moms who vagsand over sex in games/TV but are perfectly fine with their kids playing games with gratuitous violence and such.

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I feel no differently about it than I do about sex in movies: I have no problems as long as it's not something crazy like pokemon porn.
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Nail on head.
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Wow. You have to be some liberal hippy to rave about sex in video games Man, I just thought you had to be some horny nerd.
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Old 05-04-2006, 07:55 PM   #7
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I wonder if there will be a game in the future where you stick your dick in a round controller and try to give the girl on the screen an orgasm.
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I wonder if there will be a game in the future where you stick your dick in a round controller and try to give the girl on the screen an orgasm.
Action Replay and other cheat peripheral sales would SKYROCKET.
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I wonder if there will be a game in the future where you stick your dick in a round controller and try to give the girl on the screen an orgasm.
Well theres already a vibrator add-on for girls in Japan. Comes with Rez, I think. It's called the “Trance Vibrator”.
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Anyone every play Darkwatch? There's a cutscene where two of the characters have sex. Seriouse sexual excapades here. And nobody even noticed.
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Did anyone play Darkwatch past like two levels?
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When I worked in Game we had this army guy who took back The Sims. Why?

"I didn't realise people could sleep together in it so I don't want my little kid playing it."

It was the original, not like 2 where you can go at it like rabbits properly, so he actually meant sleep next to each other. Fair enough, a little overzealous but ok.

"What game would you like instaed sir?"
"Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"

OK, kinda stunned and had to explain the gratoutious violence.

"Yeah, I know. He loved 3"

And he almost bought it until I explained about the prostitutes in cars, jesus christ. Yeah, gun down innocents but SEX! Keep that away from my child!
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Did anyone play Darkwatch past like two levels?
Obviouslly I'm the only one.
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Might be why nobody complained. The only guys who saw it were you and the programmers, and all parties were too "excited" to complain.
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When I worked in Game we had this army guy who took back The Sims. Why?

"I didn't realise people could sleep together in it so I don't want my little kid playing it."

It was the original, not like 2 where you can go at it like rabbits properly, so he actually meant sleep next to each other. Fair enough, a little overzealous but ok.

"What game would you like instaed sir?"
"Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"

OK, kinda stunned and had to explain the gratoutious violence.

"Yeah, I know. He loved 3"

And he almost bought it until I explained about the prostitutes in cars, jesus christ. Yeah, gun down innocents but SEX! Keep that away from my child!

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I almost rented it once! Almost.
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When I worked in Game we had this army guy who took back The Sims. Why?

"I didn't realise people could sleep together in it so I don't want my little kid playing it."

It was the original, not like 2 where you can go at it like rabbits properly, so he actually meant sleep next to each other. Fair enough, a little overzealous but ok.

"What game would you like instaed sir?"
"Grand Theft Auto: Vice City"

OK, kinda stunned and had to explain the gratoutious violence.

"Yeah, I know. He loved 3"

And he almost bought it until I explained about the prostitutes in cars, jesus christ. Yeah, gun down innocents but SEX! Keep that away from my child!
Another example, my mother took my brother to see Sleepy Hollow (The Burton one). You know the Legend of Sleepy Hollow, right? So she watched it, and they get up to that one scene where the man and woman are involved in heavy petting, and apparently, that's the last straw. She was ranting to all her friends about taking him to this movie and seeing that...

...but was okay with the lopping off of heads.

I think you'll find this is a common mindset.
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And he almost bought it until I explained about the prostitutes in cars, jesus christ. Yeah, gun down innocents but SEX! Keep that away from my child!
Isn't your job to SELL games?
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Isn't your job to SELL games?
I used to work selling booze. Doesn't mean I sold to minors.

Just because your job is to make a sale doesn't mean that you sell to everyone.
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