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Old 06-08-2006, 07:38 PM   #1
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John Cena at ONS
Here's a wacky concept involving Cena. Let's say that he is victorious over RVD at ONS utilizing a respectable array of hardcore moves that he's never been able to utilize on Raw and reverts back to his "street thug" persona. Now here's the wacky part....what if it's Cena that throws down the WWE Belt and declares himself to be the new ECW champion, venting on the WWE fans that turned on him.

Is that too

Would Vince have the balls to send his #1 merchandise seller to ECW?

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Old 06-08-2006, 07:40 PM   #2
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LMAO. Great idea, but no.
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What a stupid thing to say after i explained in a different post what will happen....arent americans dum!!!!!
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What a stupid thing to say after i explained in a different post what will happen....arent americans dum!!!!!
Does that magic crystal ball up your ass also prevent you from understanding the concept of "capital letters?"
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Here's a wacky concept involving Cena. Let's say that he is victorious over RVD at ONS utilizing a respectable array of hardcore moves that he's never been able to utilize on Raw and reverts back to his "street thug" persona. Now here's the wacky part....what if it's Cena that throws down the WWE Belt and declares himself to be the new ECW champion, venting on the WWE fans that turned on him.

Is that too

Would Vince have the balls to send his #1 merchandise seller to ECW?

Discuss.
I still think even after that we'd still have the fans attempt to kill Cena. Anyone think they're going to have riot police at ringside during the main event? That be a sight to see.
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Old 06-09-2006, 10:18 AM   #9
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Cena after WWEvsECW went off the air actually supports that idea. It makes for good angle, which is why they won't do it.

Really, Cena could be the first major heel of the new ECW (as well as the first new ECW World Champ by default). The idea gets better the more I think about it, but there's alot of great ideas WWE were not a feet away from and they went with some wacky angle.

How are they gonna reinstate the ECW TV and Tag titles? Will they just come out of nowhere? Most likely. I'm not complaining, I'm just wasting your time.

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Old 06-09-2006, 11:19 AM   #14
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Old 06-09-2006, 11:42 AM   #15
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Very funny guys, anyway, I think this idea is poor.

Cena should NOT be losing to freaking out of shape ECW guys that have never been in WWE or haven't been in WWE for a while.

It will DEVALUE both the WWE and the WWE World Title. Cena should go over at One Night Stand after a long hard fought battle showing that he knows how to fight in a hardcore environment which he does. Cena should then utilize more hardcore stuff in his matches.

Have people say that he got bit by the ECW bug and is now more hardcore then ever. I thibk the best way to keep Cena face is to have him be a tweener who just destroys everyone, but make him more hardcore, have him use steel chairs and trash cans and just be someone that doesn't care for anyone else.

They can use ONS to jumpstar this side of Cena.
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Rob Van Dam isn't a freaking out of shape ECW guy, he's a freaking shell on his former self WWE sports entertainer turned hopefully born again ECW wrestler.

They should use ONS to put the title on a guy who deserves one World Title run in his career. Cena being a tweener who destroys everyone is no different from the Cena who beats everyone normally.
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I dont disagree with you, Vermaat. Cena can be a popular figure in ECW should he drop the chain-gang nonsense and start acting and wrestlig like he was when he debuted in the WWE.

However, there are two things holding this back.

1) Vince and his marketing department would not allow their man guy, the guy they've spent months building, depart from the WWE's flagship show to wrestle for a brand which the casual fan had no idea even existed until last year's PPV. It wouldn't make sense from a business point of view (and that's what the twenty-first century WWE is - a business) to allow thier major asset in terms of marketing and image change his entire character and jump ship.

2) The stubborn ECW fans would never allow it. One guaranteed way of getting heat in ECW was to have any affiliation with the WWE, regardless of talent. No matter how hard Cena or the bookers try to get him over, the fans would never buy it and it would fail miserably.
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Rob Van Dam isn't a freaking out of shape ECW guy, he's a freaking shell on his former self WWE sports entertainer turned hopefully born again ECW wrestler.

They should use ONS to put the title on a guy who deserves one World Title run in his career. Cena being a tweener who destroys everyone is no different from the Cena who beats everyone normally.
Cena's a tweener? I can't even tell anymore.
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Cena should NOT be losing to freaking out of shape ECW guys that have never been in WWE or haven't been in WWE for a while.
Like Rob Van Dam.
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Rob Van Dam isn't a freaking out of shape ECW guy, he's a freaking shell on his former self WWE sports entertainer turned hopefully born again ECW wrestler.

They should use ONS to put the title on a guy who deserves one World Title run in his career. Cena being a tweener who destroys everyone is no different from the Cena who beats everyone normally.
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Old 06-09-2006, 01:56 PM   #22
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2) The stubborn ECW fans would never allow it. One guaranteed way of getting heat in ECW was to have any affiliation with the WWE, regardless of talent. No matter how hard Cena or the bookers try to get him over, the fans would never buy it and it would fail miserably.
Remember though, this isn't ECW in the bingo hall full of nothing but ECW faithful-rabid fans. This is ECW taped in arena's before Raw/Smackdown. If you think the reactions were mixed and unique before, imagine the fans reaction to a Cena that has told WWE fans to kiss his ass...with ECW loyals in attendance that hate his guts to begin with. I want to see this happen mostly to see how die hard WWE/Cena loyal fans would react. Well....basically let me just ask them. Hey Vermaat, what would your reaction be to Cena if this happens. Also, in your opinion (did I just say that), how do you think the WWE/Cena loyals would react to him?

IMO, I think it would be a great move by Vince if he is serious about having ECW being successful in the ratings and having some longevity. For starters, arenas will be sold out regardless...ECW/Raw/Smackdown taped in the same arena. Secondly, Cena jumping ship to ECW would automatically draw in WWE viewers who like Cena to watch the ECW/Sci Fi experience. Normally, those fans might not ever care to watch ECW, so ratings would be much higher. Raw will probably draw the same ratings. I can't see ratings dropping, because ECW isn't competing on Monday nights with Raw. Cena's merchandise might take a hit, but it might not because alot of fans that have grown to despise Cena may like him again with a changed attitude...and move set.

Plus, if the rumored ending of the Roster Split is true, there's no way in hell that this Super-Cena routine is gonna fly with all the WWE talent on one roster and one show.

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Cena should NOT be losing to freaking out of shape ECW guys that have never been in WWE or haven't been in WWE for a while. It will DEVALUE both the WWE and the WWE World Title.
Devalue? You want to talk about "devaluing" the WWE and WWE World Title? For one, there's been nothing in recent memory that WWE has done that has "devalued" their World Titles/Championships more than the current story lines and champions. We all know the scenerio on the Smackdown show. But come on Vermaat. Having a champ with a shred of the wrestling moves, talent and experience constantly winning and going over Hall of Fame calibur opponents, overcoming ridiculous/unrealistic odds TIME AND TIME AGAIN (see, I can use all caps too) doesn't "devalue" the WWE World Title?

Your statement reeks of hypocrisy.
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To be perfectly honest, I think that would be a fantastic direction to take. John Cena beats RVD with a Spicolli Driver (NOT an F-U), and John Cena stands in a sea of boos as fans throw shit into the ring, etc. John Cena isn't even announced the winner. Paul Heyman would be able to save the fans from rioting. He could turn Stephanie McMahon and Johnny Ace into ECW favourites. Heyman comes out and smiles as John Cena throws down the WWE Title belt and Heyman gets in the ring and presents John Cena with the ECW Title.

I think this idea is more likely than people think. John Cena needs to change somehow. He isn't working at the moment, and whilst fan reactions have been getting more positive (the pendulum has probably swung to the point where fans are cheering Cena just to be different), they need to really do something to get him receiving one reaction. Having Paul Heyman take direction of his character is one way to do this. I've always stood behind my opinion that Cena will one day be the top HEEL of the WWE. Not the top babyface. Having him stab WWE in the back, go to ECW, then have him jump back to WWE as the sell-out heel, who has betrayed both companies before, will really get him there, in my opinion. Plus, he's going to be forced to work real matches in ECW, which will force out the talent that he does actually have.

Another reason (and perhaps the more influencial one in the WWE's decision, if they do go this route) is the whole DX thing. For some reason, I don't think there is as much drive to actually get DX back together as there is making Triple H the top face, which I actually think is a good move. But when Shawn Michaels and Triple H do get back on the same brand as top faces, there isn't going to be much for Cena to do. He's not going to be able to compete in terms of popularity with DX, Hell, the women and children probably won't even be on his side. Cena is going to either have to settle into a(n) (upper) mid-card role, or turn heel. Either way, it makes John Cena look like the second fiddle, something the WWE needs to avoid if they still want him to be seen as a top tier guy.
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Old 06-10-2006, 12:11 AM   #24
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John Cena will not lose his Championship at One Night Stand. The way I see it, the WWE Title has soooo much history that it would be almost disgraceful to drop the belt that way.

Since Cena "AND" Mysterio are defending, I see Rey losing it, and of course, making it the new ECW World Championship. That belt came out of WCW, and of course, their legacy was shit on by the WWE a while back, making that belt, worthless...
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Old 06-10-2006, 12:13 AM   #25
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Old 06-10-2006, 12:17 AM   #27
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John Cena defacating on the title is a disgrace too, but it's happening.
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Old 06-10-2006, 01:23 AM   #28
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For some reason, I'm really thinking Rey will lose at ONS.
I think if Sabu ended up with Hunter's belt, he'd throw a shitfit =/
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Oh boo-hoo Hunter... let me play a sad song for you on the world's smallest violin.
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I was originally under the impression Sabu would take the World Heavyweight Championship, add its history to the original ECW Championship and become the ECW World Heavyweight Champion, but I've since become persuaded to believe Rey Mysterio will retain. It won't be a huge blow to ECW, as Mysterio is a former "ECW Wrestler", thus him winning is only a "Aww, shucks" moment for Paul Heyman. Rob Van Dam cannot lose to John Cena (unless Cena goes over to ECW). RVD can forfeit the belt afterwards or he can lose it at Vengeance, but he cannot fail to win it at One Night Stand.

The only way I see John Cena walking out as WWE Champion is if Rhyno returns and Gores RVD, holds up the ECW World Heavyweight Championship he last held, and declares he is the Extreme World Champion, etc. Somehow, some way, ECW needs to have a World Title by the end of One Night Stand.

Personally, the way I would do it by having Sabu win the World Heavyweight Title and renaming it the ECW Title, especially considering the irony that the belt resembles the WCW Championship, and RVD wins the WWE Championship, loses it as Vengeance and that title becomes interpromotional, defended between RAW and SmackDown!.

So we have Sabu on ECW with the ECW World Heavyweight Championship, which history is comprised of the original ECW Title and the World Title created by Eric Bischoff for Triple H (so technically Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Goldberg, Chris Benoit, Randy Orton, Batista, Kurt Angle and Rey Mysterio are former ECW Champions). We also have the WWE Championship as RAW and SmackDown!'s shared World Title.
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John Cena defacating on the title is a disgrace too, but it's happening.
Any chance they'll bring back the 90's belt or even the Attitude belt? I hope for the sake of it, Van Dam wins and then rips apart the fucking spinner. Man I hate that belt so much...
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:25 PM   #32
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Yeah, they're going to use the Attitude Era belt in ECW.

Actually, I COULD see them doing that.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:28 PM   #33
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Is it just me or did at one point all ECW titles resemble WWF titles...
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I think I remember one of their titles resembling one.

I've noticed Indy feds just use modified versions of WWE's and WCW's. I've seen the Attitude title used as world titles for countless feds.
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The ECW TV Championship resembled the Federation Championship and the Tag Belts resembled the old school WWF Intercontinental Championship.
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If the WWE was smart, they would have both Sabu and RVD win both belts and then they could do a they stole our belts angle on raw/smackdown. This could result in the end of the brand split, the eventual return of the WWE belt at vengeance and the establishment of the WCW belt becoming the ECW belt.

I don't see Vince doing anything that drastic though. Most likely Rey will drop his belt and Cena will go over RVD. Sabu did pin Rhino at ONS last year, so by default that makes him the champ.
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If the WWE was smart, they would have both Sabu and RVD win both belts and then they could do a they stole our belts angle on raw/smackdown. This could result in the end of the brand split, the eventual return of the WWE belt at vengeance and the establishment of the WCW belt becoming the ECW belt.

I don't see Vince doing anything that drastic though. Most likely Rey will drop his belt and Cena will go over RVD. Sabu did pin Rhino at ONS last year, so by default that makes him the champ.
I agree with your scenario. Sabu defeats Rey Mysterio for the World Heavyweight Championship, re-names it the ECW World Heavyweight Championship, but keeps the WCW Title-like design. Rob Van Dam then wins the WWE Championship, and is forced to defend it at Vengeance in an Elimination Chamber. We have RVD, John Cena and Edge as confirmed participants. Triple H blackmails himself into the match, saying that if Vince doesn't put him in it, he will jump to ECW. Randy Orton qualifies for the match, and Mick Foley is allowed in for his company loyalty.

Rob Van Dam and Triple H are forced to start the match, simply because Vince wants the WWE Title back on WWE programming, and he doesn't like Triple H. John Cena enters and goes right to work on both men. Randy Orton comes in and RKOs RVD, but only gets two (his move gets made to look weaker as punishment). Triple H and Cena also kick out of RKOs. Foley gets in the ring and immediately targets the traitor to the WWE, RVD. Orton works over Triple H, with John Cena also helping work over The Game. Vince McMahon can do something whacky, like declare that if Triple H uses the Pedigree in the match, he is eliminated. Triple H gets pissed off, snaps, and hits everyone in the match with Pedigrees. Edge comes in and pins Mick Foley, which leads to a feud between those two men.

Randy Orton is pinned via the Five Star Frog Splash. Edge goes at the hands of an F-U. That leaves RVD and John Cena as the last two men left. RVD is about to get the win with the Five Star Frog Splash, when suddenly, the lights go out. The lights come on and Sabu is somehow in the Chamber (I'm sure the WWE can work something out), and he goes right after RVD. Some crazy shit later, John Cena slaps the STFU on a done RVD, which forces the referee to drop RVD's hand thrice, awarding the match and the WWE Title back to John Cena.

Sabu and RVD then feud over the ECW Title, hopefully with Rhyno returning to the new ECW and getting involved. Sabu vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Rhyno in a 3-Way Dance for the ECW Title would be fantastic.
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I agree with your scenario. Sabu defeats Rey Mysterio for the World Heavyweight Championship, re-names it the ECW World Heavyweight Championship, but keeps the WCW Title-like design. Rob Van Dam then wins the WWE Championship, and is forced to defend it at Vengeance in an Elimination Chamber. We have RVD, John Cena and Edge as confirmed participants. Triple H blackmails himself into the match, saying that if Vince doesn't put him in it, he will jump to ECW. Randy Orton qualifies for the match, and Mick Foley is allowed in for his company loyalty.

Rob Van Dam and Triple H are forced to start the match, simply because Vince wants the WWE Title back on WWE programming, and he doesn't like Triple H. John Cena enters and goes right to work on both men. Randy Orton comes in and RKOs RVD, but only gets two (his move gets made to look weaker as punishment). Triple H and Cena also kick out of RKOs. Foley gets in the ring and immediately targets the traitor to the WWE, RVD. Orton works over Triple H, with John Cena also helping work over The Game. Vince McMahon can do something whacky, like declare that if Triple H uses the Pedigree in the match, he is eliminated. Triple H gets pissed off, snaps, and hits everyone in the match with Pedigrees. Edge comes in and pins Mick Foley, which leads to a feud between those two men.

Randy Orton is pinned via the Five Star Frog Splash. Edge goes at the hands of an F-U. That leaves RVD and John Cena as the last two men left. RVD is about to get the win with the Five Star Frog Splash, when suddenly, the lights go out. The lights come on and Sabu is somehow in the Chamber (I'm sure the WWE can work something out), and he goes right after RVD. Some crazy shit later, John Cena slaps the STFU on a done RVD, which forces the referee to drop RVD's hand thrice, awarding the match and the WWE Title back to John Cena.

Sabu and RVD then feud over the ECW Title, hopefully with Rhyno returning to the new ECW and getting involved. Sabu vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Rhyno in a 3-Way Dance for the ECW Title would be fantastic.
Dude... if I were to run my own promotion - I'd definatley want to sign you as a writer. Book the re-emergence of the ECW TV title.
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Interesting to see that Sci-Fi's e-mail newsletter hypes the return of ECW next Tuesday with a photo of John Cena. Even though, if he wins, he won't be there.

Probably means shit, but interesting nonetheless.
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