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The X-Division Sucks.
I know Skippord and a few others are gonna run in here and use big letter to type "SOME FUCKING NAME" at me, but in my eyes the entire division is TERRIBLE. Let's for the sake of my boredness run through the entire division.
AJ Styles = Personally I find him to be over hyped, but never the less he is one damn charismatic and talent mother fucker. Not great when it comes to putting a match together, but all of this is completely worthless since he is now in the Tag Divison. Alex Shelley = The only light in the X-Division. I can't say too much bad about him other than without Nash he isn't getting the attention he deserves. Austin Aries = Apparently going to be born a "Starr" at Bound for Glory, he he isn't around right now. Chris Daniels = God. But not in the X-Division. Chris Sabin = I don't like him. Sorry. His dumb alien trunks and the stupid fucking gun fingers piss me off before the match even starts. He is apparently the figure head of the division currently, but I havn't liked a single thing he has done in over a year. He is a snore. Eric Young = Could be a GREAT X-Division star...but he is bitching out to Jarrett. Not his fault. Homicide = Incredible. But no in the X-Division. Jay Leathal = Being black is not a gimmick Leathal, Benjamin, Lashley...seriously why is it black guys just get sent out into the world without any reason to care about them. He has yet to make me happy I saw a match of his. He isn't bad, but I could go the rest of my life without another one of his matches and I wouldn't give it a second thought. Johnny Devine = Clutching to Shelley for dear life. Totaly worthless without other people to carry him (see Team Canada, Alex Shelley). Kazarian = Piss break. Matt Bently = Meh. If he wasn't Shawn Michaels cousin I wouldn't know or care who he was. Petey Williams = Good talent, but hasn't been given a program worthwhile in like 2 years. Primetime = No cared about him in WCW, and no one cares about him here. Senshi = Sorry Low-Ki, but being able to stiff kick people isn't the greatest of all talents. Shark Boy = Honestly, I would give him the title, it might be less of a joke than it is right now... Sonjay Dutt = I fucking hate Sonjay Dutt. If you asked me to tell you why, I wouldn't be able to. He just does lots of flips, that robe to the ring is fuckin gay, and his music physically hurts my ears. Worythless son of a bitch. Hey I guess I could tell you why I hate him... OK, so it's not like they don't have talented people, they do. It just seems like ever since AJ, Daniels and Joe left the division, it's been an after thought. There isn't a single storyline that has been worth mentioning since the departure of the three golden boys. There was a time when some people looked at the X Title as being on the same level as the NWA Title, and now the entire division is just "Face Flipper go battle Heel Flipper" with no thought or caring. The best thing the division has given me in the past few months was when the crowd started chanting "No More Jackass! No More Jackass!" And when the crowd is the best thing going for you, it's a sad day...especially when it's a TNA Mark crowd...chanting AGAINST what is going on... |
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SOME FUCKING NAME RULES
But seriously, the X-Division really isn't anything special anymore. Like you said, once the Holy Trinity left the scene it's kind of died off. They have the talent to make it blow up big again, but they have to book those guys in programs that people can care about. Right now it's just "Look at these moves that seen for years now and we still pretend like we've never seen them before!" |
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I agree with everything except for Johnny Devine.
Johnny Devine seems to be the only heel X Division wrestler capable of getting heat with the Orlando fans. I say give him the title and a lengthy run. Honestly, when you run down the X Division roster, like every guy in the division is cheered by the fans no matter what they do or say. Johnny Devine is so far the only one I've seen who can get those retarded fans to boo him. I think the fact that the crowd just cheers all of them is one reason why you think the X-Division sucks. Last edited by Mr. JL; 09-29-2006 at 04:46 PM. |
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For Mr. JL's comments, no, because when Daniels was doing his lengthy heel run with the belt, I thought it was great. And lord knows even though he was clearly heel they cheered for him non stop. I mean no doubt TNA-Orlando marks are some of the most annoying fans in the history of wrestling, but I don't hold the performers responsible for that...
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Right now the X-division has become a joke, with them using jackass type stunts in their matches. It's ridiculous. That used to be their claim to fame, now it is beign treated as an after thought, or as comedy.
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Senshi Double Stomping that blow-up doll was the best thing the X Division has ever done. I'm pretty sure though he was super-pissed at having to do that and probably wanted to quit with how serious he takes wrestling.
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The X-Division rules. First off, no offence, your arguement loses all credibility when you say stuff like "Awesome. Just not in the X-Division,". Being in the X-Division seems to be how you are measuring the talents of these guys, and not vice versa.
The Jackass stuff needs to stop. The X-Division is crazy enough without any of that bowling ball stuff. The stunts they do are extreme enough. Just slap the label "Wrestling's Jackasses" on them and have them continue on their way. And just a few things I'd like to point out: -Elix Skipper has been involved in one of the greatest spots in TNA history. Hell, it was the greatest spot in TNA history. As soon as they split him up from Simon Diamond and David Young, he could be a player in the division. -How you can call Frankie Kazarian a piss-break is beyond me. The guy is fantastic. |
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Also for the past like 6 months or so AJ and Daniels haven't been in the X-divison.
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Johnny Devine is one of the best talents TNA has. He has had NO chance to do anything. This guy is a great performer. |
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Now as for Skipper's envolvment in the Six Sides of Steel match (which I assume was the spot you were talking about) I don't deny it was an incredible spot. My argument was no one cared about him. Even the TNA marks don't much regard him. And if you are going to say someone is worthwhile based on a single spot, then you are more or less saying the X-Division is a spot fest division...which irronically I tried to avoid saying that in the first post, but since you seem willing to frame the situation for me, I can't say no to it. And as for my thinking Kazarian is a piss break, give me a few matches he has been in that will change my mind. Go ahead. I have seen most every single TNA event just out of hope and then eventually habbit. He isn't worth my time. Personal taste, and even IF he is the greatest thing ever, his involvment in the X-Division is barely noticable. My comment was the division sucks ass right now...your counter argument is Jackass shit is bad, Skipper had a good spot, and Kazarian is good. Yeah, you're right my bad. ![]() |
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The Division is still very, very strong and is still one of the most entertaining aspects of the company. At any rate, the wrestling in the X-Division is much better than anything the WWE has been dishing out. |
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I'm back and badder than ever. Got a knack for making things better. Face Facts cuz your opinion don't matter. This maniac is gonna step on whoever!
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I never once even implied that Elix Skipper deserves a spot because of his spot, I just think that the guy who has done the most impressive move in the history of TNA could be given a chance to get over, something he hasn't received with David Young. It is a matter of opinion on whether or not you like a guy. I can't tell you to like Frankie Kazarian, but I can tell you that I see so much talent in the guy. His match with Paul London on Velocity was about as good as any short match you're ever going to find. He's been in Ladder Matches and Ultimate X Matches in TNA that were just brilliant (in my opinion, of course). And if he's not relevent to the discussion, why did you bring him up? It's your opinion the X-Division sucks. It's mine that we are going to see it really get going again when Chris Sabin and Austin Starr wrestle for the X-Division Title. |
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I love when the crowd gets on the lame ass Jackass stuff by chanting "This is stupid" and "No more jackass". The boo for team USA when they act like jackasses are great too. The X division is lost in the shuffle. Senshi is not title material now. He is not a monster like they brought him back to be. The division is suffering from the same problem that it has had 4 three years, no characters. No promos. No real fueds. Alex Shelley is like Chris Jericho in the ring IMO. Johnny Devine gets Edge heat, so he should never get the belt.
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It may seem bad to say this given what my previous name was ... But in my opinion without the x-division TNA wouldn't be really worth watching, without the x-division and the wrestlers who have wrestled in its ranks would the likes of AJ, Daniels or Joe be there? there build up was in the x-division, or at least in my opinion it was, the x-division defined some of these guys so well, while others you have to say what the F*** as to them being there, two off-hand are Joe and Nash, Joe because he is a ME, and Nash because really people WTF, But back when Daniels and Styles where there, there is no denying it was entertaining, now what I don't get is why stick two of the most over and loved wrestlers in TNA in the tag division? Seriously thats been dominated by AMW for far too long, and I am happy that the tag division is half worth watching now, but to take Daniels and Styles out of there rightful places, and pu them somehwere they don't belong in my opinion was a bad descision.
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Senshi is a bad mother fucker.
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I'll give him one thing he did like the coolest thing I have ever seen
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Joey, your arguement lost all credibility when you said that all lo-ki was, was stiff kicks.
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![]() Thanks for taking the time to actually put forth counter arguments and what not, but the fact is, from where I stand, the entire Division (right now) sucks. Either the talent ones arn't being used in the division or they are being misused, and the same 20 moves done every week with Don West screaming like it's the first time he's ever seen something like that done is tired and played out. COULD the division be good? Hell yeah. IS the division good? Hell no. |
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I'm not about to say that everything you had to say about the X-Division was without merit, because that wouldn't be true. I also wouldn't say that everything you said has merit. Take what I say about the X-Division with a grain of salt, because I'll admit I'm a TNA mark. TNA reminds me a lot of WCW back when, and though to many of you that is the kiss of death, to me it's great. Call me what you will but I enjoy watching Impact more then Raw, Smackdown, or ECW. This is not to say that all four shows don't have their problems, but Impact is my favorite. I'm fairly certian I'm entitled to my opinion however misguided most of you think it is. Here's what I think of all the people you just mentioned.
AJ Styles AJ is the patron saint of the X-Division, he is there pioneer, and savior. That all being said, I don't think I've ever met an AJ Styles match I didn't like. But lets all be honest with ourselves, AJ has grown beyond the X-Division. AJ wrestling for the X-Division Championship is like John Cena wrestling for the Intercontinental title, (come to think of it that's a good idea) anyway my point remains valid. I just think they should work with him on his mic work and trun the guy into one of the top heels in the buisness, maybe feuding with a face Kurt Angle? Alex Shelley Shelly is the man, the fact that this guy has yet to have a shot at the X-Division gold is a travisty. Shelley is the type of wrestler that could give the X-Division a really, really, good name. He, like Daniels, could let people know that the X-Division isn't just a division for spot monkies. If Angle comes in heel put Shelley with him as Angles "protoge" and watch how good that could be. Austin Aries Aries is a good wrestler, I just haven't seen enough of him to gush over his talent or to flame the guy for being overrated. From the little bit I've seen, I'd have to go more towards the gushing part. Christopher Daniels Quite simpley he is the greatest wrestler wrestling in the world today, barring any good Japanese wrestler seeing as how I don't watch Japanese wrestling. Daniels is the only guy to ever compete with Pillman for my "Favorite Wrestler of All Time" title, so lets just say that's how much I think of him. Chris Sabin Perhaps a hair overrated by some. But Sabin does deserve the hype, he also deserves a gimmick. I just think that they should give him the X-Division title at Bound for Glory, and then have Jerry Lynn feud with him, for taking the X-Division in a "bad direction" with all the Jackass stuff. I think that would actually give merit to a pretty cheap an usless happening. Eric Young He's a fun character, and he's good in the ring. I don't know how good he is in the ring because in a stable like Team Canada he didn't get a chance to shine. Homicide I've seen only a handful of Homicide matches in JAPW, and this guy is a legitimate great wrestler. I hope that the keep him in LAX, give Hernandez a new tag partner, and let Homicide represent LAX in the LAX-Division as they can call it. When this guy spreads his wings watch out. Jay Leathal He's a solid wrestler but he does need a gimmick bad. If he turned on Sabin that's be a pretty good feud. Perhaps he could get in on my previously mentioned storyline and become Lynn's protoge and he could take on Sabin. Or not, just give him a gimmick and I think he'll be aces. Johnny Devine I don't know him so I can't really say. All I know is he was in Team Canada and is Shelley's partner, outside of that I really don't have an opinion. Kazarian Do not dare say that The Coolest is a piss break. Kazarian is an awesome wrestler and had prettty good chrisma, he should be one of the guys hunting for the X-Division title. But when he's not he and Bentely should be hunting for the tag belts. Matt Bentely I don't love him, I don't hate him I'm kinda indiffrent about him. However, I think I know a good way to get him out of this malise he's been in for almost two years. Either make him like Shawn Michaels circa 1994, or give him an entirely diffrent gimmick. He has been floating between those two for way to long, it's tyime for him to either embrace the fact that his cousin is "The Showstoppa" or to completely renounce it. Petey Williams I can't say enough good things about Petey Williams, but right now I think he should flounder until a few months from now the bring back Scott D'Amore, and give Petey another title run. Primetime Skipper is a talented son of a gun, but in a pretty loaded X-Division he just kinda gets lost in the shuffle. Senshi If you think that Low-Ki's talents are limited to him being stiff, then you don't know Low Ki. Him versus Sabin at Bound for Glory should steal the show, if the give these two time. Low Ki is a great ariel, mat, and strong style wrestler. They just need to more clearly define his character. A lone warrior that fights with honor and doesn't deal with any other non-sense. Kinda like Samoa Joe, but even less vocal. Shark Boy He might be a good wrestler but it's just embarassing. Sonjay Dutt Meh, if we wanted a guy with no wrestling sensibilities that could do a bunch of pretty moves here and there, you could have just kept Red on the roster, and least Red will throw in som martial arts here and there. |
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From what I have seen, the Amazing Red is not the same high flyer he used to be. Ever since his knee injury a couple of years back the guy has been pretty toned down, (from what I have seen).
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Apparantly the only reason Dutt is kept around/kinda pushed is the fact that he draws in alot of indian viewers.
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Yeah, I'd be much happier though if they just shipped him off to India to busk on the streets, and send the moeny back to TNA.
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