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Old 02-03-2007, 06:40 PM   #1
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UFC 67 All or Nothing
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Tonight's line-up and notes from the weigh-ins:
Travis Lutter (186.5) vs. Anderson Silva (185)
Eddie Sanchez (229) vs. Mirko Cro Cop (223)
Marvin Eastman (203) vs. Quinton Jackson (205)
John Halverson (155) vs. Roger Huerta (156)
Patrick Cote (185) vs. Scott Smith (185)
Terry Martin (186) vs. Jorge Rivera (185)
Frankie Edgar (154) vs. Tyson Griffin (156)
Sam Hoger (206) vs. Lyoto Machida (203)
Diego Saraiva (155) vs. Dustin Hazelett (156)


Lutter failed to make weight last night after being given two extra hours, so the main event will be a three-round non-title fight. Lutter is also being fined 10% of his purse, half of which goes to Silva and half to the Nevada State Athletic Commission. UFC send out a mass e-mail to its fan list informing them of this late last night. Because there are no five round fights, and because most of the matches look to be going quick, I'd be surprised if we don't end up with at least seven fights shown. Even though the odds are long on most of the key fights, there has been very little betting on the underdogs. Even Lutter before the weigh-in problem, as a huge underdog, was getting little action, so the bettors were not convinced by UFC's attempt to portray this on TV as a 50-50 fight and that Lutter has the style to win. The only underdog said to be getting action is Smith
Lutter had like 4 months to cut weight, but apparently that wasn't long enough. More Importantly though...

CroCop and Rampage debut tonight, and I can't wait. Obviously Crocop should pretty much murder Eddie Sanchez, but it would suck for UFC if Sanchez pulled it out some how. CroCop 1st round via Liver Kick.

Rampage fighting Marvin Eastman isn't necessarily an easy fight, but I still think Rampage is gonna win. I say 2nd round ground and pound.


Either way it should be exciting.
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Old 02-03-2007, 06:49 PM   #2
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Cro Cop 1st round via kick to the side of the head
 
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Cro Cop is the only guy I'm super excited to see right now.
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Old 02-04-2007, 12:13 AM   #4
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Rampage's promo at the end was great. He is the man

Watching Cro Cop live was awe inspiring. He was just looming over Eddie Sanchez like a Killer in a movie.

Also I just read he came out to the Pride song which I had no idea at the time. Could this be a sign of a future announcement?
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Was it a good ppv? Is the Rampage/Iceman fight now on.
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It was a pretty decent PPV. The dark match they showed at the end between two 155 pounders was great without a doubt the match of the night.

Rampage said he wanted one more fight before he fights Chuck
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Also believe it or not Lutter had a chance to beat Silva. Lutter mounted Silva and was actually getting some pretty good strikes on him, but Silva was able to get out of that. Has he was getting out though he left himself wide open for an armbar, and Lutter tried to take advantage, but he failed.

The fight ended by Anderson Silva having Lutter in a Triangle and reigning down elbows on lutter's head forcing him to tap.

It was good fight.
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YeA I had read the detailed results on ufc.com. Lutter isn't no joke, he is pretty good.

And I just watched the Franklin/Silva fight for the 1st time..it seemed like instead of resisting the Thai clinch Frankling coulda grabbed a leg or something and taken him down. Probably jus got taken completely off guard with Silva's gameplan there.
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Imho, I thought this ppv was garbage. Sorry beforehand about the long post, just thought this ppv was a train wreck.

I wasnt upset with the wins, it was obvious that the people were billed to win from the beginning, but I think that took a lot of it away for me.

Rampage's and Mirko's fights were not impressive to me. It wasnt their fault though, it was because of the people they were pit up against. Eddie didnt want any of Mirko after like 2 straight lefts, and only 1 of those 2 landed good and flush on the guy. I think he landed one head kick that found Mirko's heel hitting Sanchez in the head. For the rest of the entire fight, he continually backed away from him, so much for that "going forward and keeping him against the cage". I didnt really want Sanchez to win and I knew Mirko would win, but for christ sake's, if they are going to have a fight, make it halfway entertaining.

That fight looked like it was Sanchez's first fight. I cant trash to much on him because looking at Mirko, I know I would get my fucking head kicked off my shoulders and into the waiting arms of the fans, but this guy is supposed to be some professional fighter, instead he ran like a pussy bitch the whole time and then got G & P after being mounted with no contest. It was a terrible fucking fight.

Rampage and Eastman's fight to me was just as unimpressive as Mirko's. The first round was a bit of swinging and missing, clinching agaist the cage and throwing lazy knee's. Couple take down attempts that never went through. I guess I cant rag on this fight as much because Eastman actually didnt do bad against Rampage, he was holding his own for a while. The finish in round 2 was exciting as far as the rest of the night was concerned, because the rest of the night was garbage.

Scott Smith and Patrick Cote, 3 round bore fest. Cote caught him 2 times in the fight with near fight ending right hooks. The first one left Smith stumbling around like an idiot, but Cote did not capitilize. He dings him again in the temple in the 3rd round and could of finished it again, but still did not go for it. Cote was definetly playing it safe in this fight, riding out his 3rd round decision after he won the first two rounds. You could tell he didnt want to run in and get caught ala Pete Sell, but thats doesnt mean have a lame fight for the fans. Smith tried to bounce back a few times, with no success. Cote wanted his first win in the UFC, and did so by waiting around like a big vagina for the bell to go off so he could get his hands raised.

Then you have the fight with Roger Hueta and Jon Halverson. What the fuck? The dude takes a knee to the shoulder (Which everyone, including myself, thought was a illegal knee to the head, and it would of made more sense if it had been) goes down and cover's his ears and lets Roger just swing at him until its called by the ref. This match had *what the fuck* all over it. Why didnt Halverson do anything? I mean that knee that was given to him had to have jarred something loose. I have broken my collar bone from being tackled on the track turf and it put me down for the count, but this guy just got knee'd in the shoulder, and not in the head which was originally thought. How's a knee to the shoulder going to level you to the mat? He didnt break anything, he just laid on the floor and was beat up on until it was over. Lame ass fight, would almost say it was a waste of a main card fight.

Then you have the main event. I cant trash to much of the main event, other then the obvious Lutter having 4 months to make weight and not being able to. You could tell that the weight cutting he did the day before took a big toll on Lutter in the fight. He looked like he was exhausted before he got in the cage, but did score some good takedowns. Lutter really exposed Anderson's weakness. Anderson cant wrestle for shit, now everyone knows. Lutter easily obtained the full mount, and was dropping the big fists down on Silva, and I thought that was it. Then Silva slips out of the full mount, which I havent decided if it was Silva doing something good, or more of a mistake on Travis' part. As Silva was getting out, Travis goes for the laziest armbar I have ever seen, and of course Silva just shrugs it off. Then it goes to round two, where we see Lutter scoring another easy takedown on Silva, only to have Silva reverse the takedown into a triangle choke. Now Travis *should* of been able to get out of this, but I dont think he had any gas in the tank by this time. Those elbow's that finished the fight did look nasty, but it was my understanding that you couldnt "bring the tip of the elbow down on your opponent in any stabbing fashion", so when he starts hitting him I am like "wtf stop him from doing that, that is illegal" and he continually does it until the fight gets called. Since when can you bash someone with your elbow as long as the strike is parellel to the floor? I have never seen that before, and if I did see it, it was followed shortly thereafter by the ref telling the fighter that it was not allowed? If this is allowed, how come knee'ing to the top of the head while on the ground isnt allowed? Its not like they arent "parallel" with the ground when they are delivering knee's, (obviously I know why they arent because it is dangerous for the fighters) but I dont see why one is allowed and the other is not.

Like Legend already mentioned, the 155 fight between Frank Edgar and Tyson Griffin was phenominal, it came on after I was getting up to leave where I was in disgust, and I sat back down to watch it because it actually deserved a fight fan's attention.
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:26 PM   #10
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Was a pretty shitty PPV but Rampage and Cro Cop made up for it..

Rampage > *

Lutter is a piece of shit.. Mad boring because all he does in lay on people.. Glad Silva whooped him..

Frank Edgar and Tyson Griffin was the best fight I've seen in a while..

Shitty PPV but it served a purpose because it introduced Cro Cop and Rampage..

p.s. I'm going Saturday to watch some MMA fights being filmed for Showtime.. Frank Shamrock, Henzo (sp?) Gracie, David Louiseau, and some others..
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Lutter is a piece of shit.. Mad boring because all he does in lay on people.. Glad Silva whooped him..

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So you don't like BJJ?
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It's alright when used offensivly.. Lutter just lays on people..
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Shit really wasn't it!

I just can't wait to see Cro Cop kick the shit out of Silva and make that weight division exciting again.
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Shit really wasn't it!

I just can't wait to see Cro Cop kick the shit out of Silva and make that weight division exciting again.
Sylvia?
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Eddie was scared shitless of Mirko
 
Old 02-13-2007, 02:07 PM   #16
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Yeah I'm a Cro Cop mark now.

I've jumped on the bandwagon.
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:21 PM   #17
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Lutter was a disgrace for not making weight.
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He pretty much is.

Also do you think Couture can beat Sylvia? Because I don't.
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He pretty much is.

Also do you think Couture can beat Sylvia? Because I don't.
He can win if he dominates the wrestling. However, can he even take him down with Sylvia's reach and jab? I wouldn't mind seeing him win but I really don't wanna see Cro Cop bash him up. I would love to see Sylvia fed to Cro Cop though. Heart wants Couture to win, head says Sylvia will win.

And you watch the promotional push they do on Couture leading up to this match too. The fans will be 50-50 split on who wins when it's really like 75% Sylvia.
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He can win if he dominates the wrestling. However, can he even take him down with Sylvia's reach and jab? I wouldn't mind seeing him win but I really don't wanna see Cro Cop bash him up. I would love to see Sylvia fed to Cro Cop though. Heart wants Couture to win, head says Sylvia will win.
I actually feel that Randy has a much better chance against Mirko then Tim would as long as he stays on the inside and works the shoot alot. Mirko has devastating hands and feet, but his ground work isnt to impressive. He has been submitted before.

I have never really been a fan of Tim Sylvia, but I am not going to get on my knee's and suck off Mirko because he beat one up and comer in the UFC. I have seen Mirko win and lose in Pride. The guy is human people, he can dish out mega pain, but no one is immortal to a good punch to the face. Ask Kevin Randleman (I have the knockout Vid on my comp ). Sylvia has just as much chance to beat Mirko as anyone else in MMA does.
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PErhaps a couple years ago couture would easily beat Sylvis. That ship has sailed
 
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I think if Sylvia comes out trying to keep his belt, Couture will win, If Sylvia puts effort into it, he'll win in Round 1
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I have mixed feelings about the fight also, but for different reasons.

UFC knows that MMA fans are not happy with Tim Sylvia and I think they are feeding him Couture to try and sway people's minds about him. If Tim wins, dramatically or otherwise, this is a very credible name to add to his win record, and I think UFC might be relying on that. Regardless, I dont think this is a good fight for Couture.

He didnt want to fight heavyweight anymore because he had to fight guys that were much bigger then him, then he goes and fights the biggest guy the UFC has, let alone the champ. He wants to get on the inside and stay away from the jab, relying on his agility to be able to do that, and I dont think it will be a problem for him to take Tim down. I just think once it gets their, he wont be able to do much with it.

Sylvia's ground game isnt tested much, but from what I have seen, it isnt bad. I wouldnt expect the guy to win matches with submissions, but he seems to be comfortable when he does go the ground. To top it all off, Sylvia has a very good full gaurd. His legs are really fucking long, and he knows how to use that height whether he is on the ground or on his feet.

Going with Rob here. My heart says Couture, my head says Sylvia.
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Yeah but look who Mirko's losses are against and look what he has done since.
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Yeah but look who Mirko's losses are against and look what he has done since.
True, but I would rate Randy Couture with the likes of Antonio Nogueira. Not in jiu-jitsu obviously, but his wrestling would help him keep up on the ground. Then their is Fedor, whom I cant touch really, but then that fight went the distance. I just think that both fighters would probably have good fights with him, and that neither guys would be dominated in any fashion against him. Its a fight, anything and everything can happen.
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i' ve said this numerous times, but cro cop does not look his weight at all
 
 

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