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Old 02-17-2007, 02:31 PM   #1
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So...can someone explain this...
They took away the 4 way Ladder match at No Way Out with the reason being they didn't want the Hardy's and MNM to be teaming anymore...so then they put BOTH teams on the PPV, just in a less interesting match...WTF.

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I would have no problem with HBK getting a farewell run with the title before he retires.

With that said though, there is no belt in the industry that HBK could win that would add to his career. HBK's career is built around him being HBK, not winning a bunch of titles.
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:40 PM   #2
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They are seriously retarded. Do they even think about the decisions they make anymore?
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It is pretty stupid for the WWE to have done what they have, but come on is anybody actually surprised to see MNM and The Hardys on the card in some type of match ?
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What???? They have taken the ladder match off??That was the only match i was looking forward to seeing, and a big WTF@at the reasons given.
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Old 02-17-2007, 03:40 PM   #7
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They took away the 4 way Ladder match at No Way Out with the reason being they didn't want the Hardy's and MNM to be teaming anymore...so then they put BOTH teams on the PPV, just in a less interesting match...WTF.
In all likelyhood that story was inacurate. I doubt they changed the match for that reason...
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Old 02-17-2007, 04:20 PM   #8
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No wouldn't surprise me. Vince is flip flopping like a beached whale. He's clearly losing his grip.
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Old 02-17-2007, 04:23 PM   #9
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Clearly they took it away because they want to keep the MITB or Tag Team Title Ladder Match fresh for WM. Since one of those 2 is likely going to happen.
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I'm sorry but you can't take away a match like this after some people may have ordered it for this match, that would just piss me off, especially when their main event is a fucking tag team match.
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I'm sorry but you can't take away a match like this after some people may have ordered it for this match, that would just piss me off, especially when their main event is a fucking tag team match.
It's not the first time they've had one of these mixed-brand/feuding-partners tag team matches main event a B-show PPV, but I've got to honest, this is the most interesting one they've had in YEARS.
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Old 02-17-2007, 04:59 PM   #12
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Yeah i agree it is, but its still not enough to fall back on if they're going to cancel the ladder match.
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If you order the PPV weeks before it takes place and you have issues with the card changing, theres nobody to blame but yourself.
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^Your point would be valid if they didn't change it one day before the PPV. I dunno how it works over there but over here they give you about a week to order it, though this is free for us.
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If I order a PPV, I order it on the night it takes place usually.
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^Your point would be valid if they didn't change it one day before the PPV. I dunno how it works over there but over here they give you about a week to order it, though this is free for us.

The ladder match was changed for the current tag title match over a week ago
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^Your point would be valid if they didn't change it one day before the PPV. I dunno how it works over there but over here they give you about a week to order it, though this is free for us.
My cable provider won't let you order even 2 houts before the PPV. Given Comcast is second biggest in the US, I'd say that this isn't particularly "unfair" considering the second largest in a duopoly doesn't even make it available.
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I ordered Survivor Series 07 already and I'm going to be ripshit with Vince if Brets not on the card
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Ah ok fair enough then, i thought this was a last minute thing and since we can order it a week before over here, i thought it was odd to do that.
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I ordered Survivor Series 07 already and I'm going to be ripshit with Vince if Brets not on the card
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If you're ordering this PPV a week before it happens, you were gonna order it no matter what. Thats the way I'm seeing it. I mean, ordering a wrestlemania weeks in advance makes some sense to me. Because its a big event and I know I'm gonna watch it regardless of the next few weeks, hate to say it but its true.

With No Way Out, that match wouldn't have gotten me to order it, and it wouldn't have gotten me to not order it. You can't really hold WWE to blame just because of the card being subject to change in the weeks leading up.
I'll agree it was a stupid move from my POV, but perhaps they're doing it to keep whatever WM plans they have involving ladder and/or tag teams fresh.

Whats the double standard on it. If they changed it back to the ladder match in the morning would that be okay? If so, why? because its smark friendly? What if some kid ordered it because he wanted to see Deuce and Domino get the tag match?

I highly doubt its to spite Joe Smark. If you ask me, the PPV would suck anyways and its just a throw away before the big one. If you order a PPV more than 2 days before it happens you're to blame for any unpleasant changes that occur.

As far as I've watch WWE, since the mid 90s, I've never seen an instance where the PPV card was changed in the day or days leading up to the event, or after the card had started. Other than perhaps a rare occasion of an added stipulation or the changing of a something for matters beyond their control (injury)
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I seriously don't understand Smackdown in general.
How is this specifically a problem with Smackdown?
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How is this specifically a problem with Smackdown?
Their PPVs do seem to struggle. They're able to offer up a main event and even a second main event. But as the card progresses it wears thinner and thinner. They have a weak midcard, and non extistant tag and cruiserweight divisions.

Raw cards aren't exactly WM17 every month, but all in all I think the offer stronger and more consistent ppv cards across the board.
Smackdown PPVs are just pathetic.
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At some points I agree, but this isn't the issue that should inspire the realization that Smackdown PPVs are bad. Adding Raw talent doesn't solve the problem or even signal that they're looking for a solution.
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If you're ordering this PPV a week before it happens, you were gonna order it no matter what. Thats the way I'm seeing it. I mean, ordering a wrestlemania weeks in advance makes some sense to me. Because its a big event and I know I'm gonna watch it regardless of the next few weeks, hate to say it but its true.

With No Way Out, that match wouldn't have gotten me to order it, and it wouldn't have gotten me to not order it. You can't really hold WWE to blame just because of the card being subject to change in the weeks leading up.
I'll agree it was a stupid move from my POV, but perhaps they're doing it to keep whatever WM plans they have involving ladder and/or tag teams fresh.

Whats the double standard on it. If they changed it back to the ladder match in the morning would that be okay? If so, why? because its smark friendly? What if some kid ordered it because he wanted to see Deuce and Domino get the tag match?

I highly doubt its to spite Joe Smark. If you ask me, the PPV would suck anyways and its just a throw away before the big one. If you order a PPV more than 2 days before it happens you're to blame for any unpleasant changes that occur.

As far as I've watch WWE, since the mid 90s, I've never seen an instance where the PPV card was changed in the day or days leading up to the event, or after the card had started. Other than perhaps a rare occasion of an added stipulation or the changing of a something for matters beyond their control (injury)

Way to go over the top after the topic has already been settled, i guess i just have more of a problem with them advertising the ladder match and then cancelling it for something even shitter when the card isn't that strong anyway.
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i think it has to do with WM plans
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Lol. What are they "planning" for WM besides the two main events I know of and the Vince vs. Trump plan.
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some kind of ladder match. I mean, its not for certain. But I would bet just about anything that there'll be either a multiple tag team ladder match, or a MITB match on the card. Which would involve many of the same wrestlers from this match.
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They shouldn't have blown their load on this type of match. If they hadn't had that meaningless four-way tag team ladder match at whatever PPV they had it on then they could have waited until Wrestlemania and have a TLC match for the Tag Titles with the Hardys MNM and London and Kendrick.

Maybe use that time to develop Taylor & Regal more, make them a more of a threat instead of the tag team of the month.

Does that make sense?
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:19 PM   #31
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They could always make the hardyz/mnm match a cage match to make it a bit more interesting. This feud has gone on far too long really, but this would add to the storyline of Mercury getting revenge on Matt, Mercury says he wont give up until he damages Matts face as much as his is damaged, well this would be the perfect oppotunity to do it.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:20 PM   #32
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They had a Jeff Hardy vs. Nitro cage match already, that's probably where the rivalry should have ended.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:24 PM   #33
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I agree, but they might aswell end it in a cage match,we've already seen a boring normal tag team match, it means nothing no matter who wins.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:26 PM   #34
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That's the point. . .it should have ended allready, the Hardy's and MNM aren't even officially tag teams.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:33 PM   #35
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As far as I've watch WWE, since the mid 90s, I've never seen an instance where the PPV card was changed in the day or days leading up to the event, or after the card had started. Other than perhaps a rare occasion of an added stipulation or the changing of a something for matters beyond their control (injury)
It's happened on countless occasions.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:38 PM   #36
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I can't think of a big one. Please help me out.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:43 PM   #37
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Well, Big Show replacing Austin in Survivor Series 99 for starters. Yes, it was due to an injury, but WWE knew for WEEKS that Austin wasn't going to be able to compete.

They didn't admit it in case it hurt PPV buys, then replaced him with The Big Show on the night.

On loads of occasions, matches have changed or been dropped on the night of a PPV.

And just look at last year's Great American Trash PPV.

And look at the Sabu debacle at December To Disappoint.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:45 PM   #38
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Yea Austin in 99 and this years Great American Bash were matches I had in mind when saying, except for rare occasions due to circumstances beyond their control.
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The Austin situation was in their control though. They should never have announced the match to begin with.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:56 PM   #40
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But why make the match a less interesting one?
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