Owen Hart.

**Kane Knight** · 04-12-2007, 01:47 PM

This is in response to some of the stuff in the various fanboy wars topics and whatnot.

Owen was a big boy. He was a professional wrestler and had to have known the risks inherrent in any stunt, let alone one that involved coming down from the rafters.

I'm not saying that we didn't lose a good guy or anything, but can't we just agree that shit happens sometimes, and accidents are accidents?

Bret Hart has every right to be upset at the loss of his brother, and maybe the spot shouldn't have been done, but it was. And the fact is, it's a relatively safe stunt but there are always risks involved.

I know there are factors involved in terms of the wrestling world, but in the end, he went through with it and he died. And it was terrible, and it was a loss. But it was a mistake, and accident, and nobody should have an axe to grind over this. At least, none of us.

**Theo Dious** · 04-12-2007, 01:52 PM

Well said. I particularly find myself annoyed with the people who find fault with Vince and the company for continuing the PPV. The people in attendance paid for a show, they had a right to expect one, and would have been well within their rights to leave if they felt it appropriate. Owen was a performer with a great love of the business, and in any performance situation "the show must go on."
But too many people can't accept that some things are just terrible, senseless mistakes, and must find a way to fix blame. It saddens me and damages Owen's memory that so many people must point fingers.

**Zen v.W.o.** · 04-16-2007, 12:15 AM

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Well said. I particularly find myself annoyed with the people who find fault with Vince and the company for continuing the PPV. The people in attendance paid for a show, they had a right to expect one, and would have been well within their rights to leave if they felt it appropriate. Owen was a performer with a great love of the business, and in any performance situation "the show must go on."
But too many people can't accept that some things are just terrible, senseless mistakes, and must find a way to fix blame. It saddens me and damages Owen's memory that so many people must point fingers.

They continued the show that involved speeding Vince out in a stretcher and ambulance. After the fall.

They never told the live audience what went down. They didnt know a man had died. I am sure had they known, many would have also second guessed such a decision as to continue a ppv.
That's the wwe way of allowing themselves to go on with the show guilt-free for just a little while all for the green.
It's just the double standards...had it been a child of Vince, would the show go on? I doubt it.

**Zen v.W.o.** · 04-16-2007, 12:23 AM

Owen was easily a main event level talent. And he should have been champ.

There were plenty of eras that Owen should have remained in the main event scene. Mid 90's to be sure, and had their not been so much political BS occuring, after Montreal as well.

Owen as an athlete was fucking awesome, and imo, he picked up on any style of wrestling better than anyone I have watched. In many ways he was better then Bret in the ring.

You know what's overrated? Saying somebody is overrated due to their passing. Owen was one of the premier talents in the business while alive.
Not really his fault there were some pretty stupid people around that never picked up on that.

**Theo Dious** · 04-16-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o.

They never told the live audience what went down. They didnt know a man had died. I am sure had they known, many would have also second guessed such a decision as to continue a ppv.
That's the wwe way of allowing themselves to go on with the show guilt-free for just a little while all for the green.
It's just the double standards...had it been a child of Vince, would the show go on? I doubt it.

We can what-if all night long. I'm working on what did happen.

There were children in that audience. Would you come out and say to them "we're calling the show off because you just saw a man die?" I'm sure it was tough enough just for the parents in attendance to sit their kids down later and tell them what had happened; they had the right to deal with it in the way of their choosing. Had Howard Finkel or some equivalent come out and said "Owen's dead, go home" it would have caused serious confusion, as well as emotional shock. By finishing the show, they avoided making a bad situation worse. Was it the morally correct thing to do? That's an opinion. Would Vince have halted the show if Shane or Stephanie had died? Pure speculation. It's the decision I would have made.

**Jordan** · 04-12-2007, 01:55 PM

I don't blame anybody, it was a total freak accedent, nobody would have purposfully made that tragic event happen. If it were my brother I'd feel differently probably, so I don't discriminate against Bret for any ill feelings he has, he is totally right to feel however he wants to feel.

**311** · 04-12-2007, 02:02 PM

I completely agree. It's not as if this was the first time and entrance like that was done either. Hell, Sting had been doing it for a long time before Owen's accident.

**Theo Dious** · 04-12-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 311

I completely agree. It's not as if this was the first time and entrance like that was done either. Hell, Sting had been doing it for a long time before Owen's accident.

And Sting's entrance, with the fall and dead stop, was far more dangerous.

**311** · 04-12-2007, 02:38 PM

Here's the cage match, plus the Bret/Benoit tribute.

I was angry when I saw Sting doing the entrance too. I was actually watching that PVP when it happened, and it was definately surreal. I also remember developing a soft-spot for Jeff Jarret and Debra afterwards. WWE tried to do an interview with them before the match and they were both in absolute tears.

Anyway, RIP Owen.

Edit: In my opinion, this is one of the best promos Bret ever gave. (Not saying alot in my opinion, but at least there was some kind of meaning behind it.)
Als, god I hated Vince as an announcer.

Bret Hart Vs. Owen Hart (Steel Cage)
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Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit- Owen Tribute
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**Mercury Bullet** · 04-12-2007, 01:58 PM

True. Wrestling is a dangerous business to be in and there's a risk of serious injury or death in just about everything wrestlers do. They get into the business knowing this and it's ridiculous that when an accident happens, it's always somebodies fault, and somebody should be held accountable for it. No, there is no true accountability to an accident. The only accountability could/should be placed on the one directly involved in the accident. Sometimes the outcome of the accident is horrific and tragic, but, like previously stated and relating to Owen Hart, he knew what he was getting himself in to and he took the responsibilities and consequences of his actions.

RP · 04-12-2007, 02:02 PM

Off topic sort of, but i bought The History of the WWE/F Championship and i watched Bret vs Owen for the title in the steel cage. That might be one of the best steel cage matches i've ever seen. The technical spots having to do with them diving for the door and trying to climb out were just about flawless and beautiful to watch. Incredible match.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-12-2007, 02:37 PM

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Off topic sort of, but i bought The History of the WWE/F Championship and i watched Bret vs Owen for the title in the steel cage. That might be one of the best steel cage matches i've ever seen. The technical spots having to do with them diving for the door and trying to climb out were just about flawless and beautiful to watch. Incredible match.

yea, to me, that the best steel cage match of all-time. They used the cage door in a way nobody has ever duplicated. They actually made the door exit seem meaningful.

**KingofOldSchool** · 04-12-2007, 02:39 PM

Owen Hart is overrated.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

Owen Hart is way overrated.

**311** · 04-12-2007, 02:51 PM

I'm not really sure what you mean by 'overrated.' Owen is Owen. He was never 'the' champ. He was mid-card talent at best. He could get around the ring with the best of them, yes, but he was never anything special. (In my opinion)

I just always thought he was thought of and remembred as exactly what he was. However, he did contribute to shows ever time he was on them, and he's had some fantastic matches. (See the cage match posted.)

Better than Bret? That would probably start another flame war.

**KingofOldSchool** · 04-12-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 311

I'm not really sure what you mean by 'overrated.' Owen is Owen. He was never 'the' champ. He was mid-card talent at best. He could get around the ring with the best of them, yes, but he was never anything special. (In my opinion)

I just always thought he was thought of and remembred as exactly what he was. However, he did contribute to shows ever time he was on them, and he's had some fantastic matches. (See the cage match posted.)

Better than Bret? That would probably start another flame war.

I'm not saying he sucks, but the way fanboys put him over, he didn't deserve it.

He was never someone that should've been World Champion. He was a career mid-carder through and through.

**Kane Knight** · 04-12-2007, 06:53 PM

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I'm not saying he sucks, but the way fanboys put him over, he didn't deserve it.

No, but especially now that he's dead, we have the Kurt Cobain effect. People think he's a genius in the ring because every human is at least a potential necrophiliace.

We love to starfuck, and we love to fuck 'em even more if they lie real still.

Most of Owen's overrating comes from the fact that he's dead. Contrast to Ken Kennedy, or Carlito, or Punk, or Burchill (Before anyone whines at me, I like three of those guys...Doesn't make them any less overrated).

And yes, he's overrated. Even if he's only severely sucked off by the IWC, a large body of them do it. I won't, but I won't pretend that he's treated like an icon by wayyyyy too many people. You know, like Ellen DeGenneress.

No, I'm not saying Ellen is an OWen fan.

**AdrianM** · 04-13-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 311

I'm not really sure what you mean by 'overrated.' Owen is Owen. He was never 'the' champ. He was mid-card talent at best. He could get around the ring with the best of them, yes, but he was never anything special. (In my opinion)

I just always thought he was thought of and remembred as exactly what he was. However, he did contribute to shows ever time he was on them, and he's had some fantastic matches. (See the cage match posted.)

Better than Bret? That would probably start another flame war.

I have to say, not knowing about kayfabe and all that, Owen hart was my most hated wrestler ever. I just couldn't stand him...him and shawn michaels.

So for that reason, plus that he put on great matches, I don't feel he was over rated

**Marc the Smark** · 04-15-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 311

He was never 'the' champ. He was mid-card talent at best. He could get around the ring with the best of them, yes, but he was never anything special. (In my opinion)

He was better than Sid Justice, and they made HIM the champion.... Owen could've been champ, too.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 03:01 PM

Almost always, when I hear someone mention Owen, I always see how he was probably one of the best wrestlers to never hold the world and was one of the best ever.

Like KooS said, he was a great mid-carder and that's where it stops. He NEVER should have been World Champion.

**Jordan** · 04-12-2007, 03:01 PM

Owen was going to get the gimmick of "The Game" that eventually went to Triple H. Owen could have been a main event draw, and would have been had he not died. I do not think he was overrated he was fantastic in every way that a wrestler needs to be.

**Theo Dious** · 04-12-2007, 03:47 PM

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Owen was going to get the gimmick of "The Game" that eventually went to Triple H.

I always laugh whenver I hear this. What "gimmick" is there behind "The Game?" You know how that would have changed HHH's career? His theme song would be different and people wouldn't hold up "Game Over" signs when they wanted him to lose, or "Game Not Over" signs when he returns from an injury. Owen, had he not died, would have been called "The Game" Owen Hart and would have gone on being Owen Hart. I fail to see exactly what "gimmick" goes along with being called "The Game."

Honestly I always thought "The Game" was a dumbass thing to be called anyways.

**AdrianM** · 04-13-2007, 11:54 AM

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I always laugh whenver I hear this. What "gimmick" is there behind "The Game?" You know how that would have changed HHH's career? His theme song would be different and people wouldn't hold up "Game Over" signs when they wanted him to lose, or "Game Not Over" signs when he returns from an injury. Owen, had he not died, would have been called "The Game" Owen Hart and would have gone on being Owen Hart. I fail to see exactly what "gimmick" goes along with being called "The Game."

Honestly I always thought "The Game" was a dumbass thing to be called anyways.

The whole thing about the name "the game" came about in a promo. Someone said (maybe Austin) "This is not a game" and HHH's reply was along the lines of "screw that, I am the game." So it was just luck the way the name came about. not so sure about the gimmick tho (whatever the hell that is?!)

**The One** · 04-16-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan X

Owen was going to get the gimmick of "The Game" that eventually went to Triple H. Owen could have been a main event draw, and would have been had he not died. I do not think he was overrated he was fantastic in every way that a wrestler needs to be.

I just need to get this out right now. You're fucking reatdred if you think that. Owen was going to do the Blue Blazer until his contract ran out (which it was coming up soon anyway, infact the IC Title run he was going to begin that night was a send off for him). Also, while he had managed to get the Blue Blazer gimmick over, let's remember that him doing that gimmick was considered a punishment for him being in the "dog house" in response to him refusing to do the Debra/Jarrett love triangle thing. So let's all pull this fucking bullshit, no marrit what so ever bullshit out of the conversation right now. He wasn't going to be "The Game" infact Hunter was already a heel by that point, and while he hadn't begun refering to himself as "The Game" the character was already in motion. So let's stop playing this dumbass game, people need to realise that while Owen was a good talent or whatever (personally found him, like his brother, to be as borring as watching shit sink) he was NEVER in line to win the Title. His name was never brought up as a potential flagship of the company. He wasn't going to win the title, nor should he ever have. Just like Dean Malenko, an INCREDIBLE talent, majorly over in several promotions, was just not ever in the play pen of serious World Title contenders.

The End.

**Zen v.W.o.** · 04-16-2007, 09:55 PM

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I just need to get this out right now. You're fucking reatdred if you think that. Owen was going to do the Blue Blazer until his contract ran out (which it was coming up soon anyway, infact the IC Title run he was going to begin that night was a send off for him). Also, while he had managed to get the Blue Blazer gimmick over, let's remember that him doing that gimmick was considered a punishment for him being in the "dog house" in response to him refusing to do the Debra/Jarrett love triangle thing. So let's all pull this fucking bullshit, no marrit what so ever bullshit out of the conversation right now. He wasn't going to be "The Game" infact Hunter was already a heel by that point, and while he hadn't begun refering to himself as "The Game" the character was already in motion. So let's stop playing this dumbass game, people need to realise that while Owen was a good talent or whatever (personally found him, like his brother, to be as borring as watching shit sink) he was NEVER in line to win the Title. His name was never brought up as a potential flagship of the company. He wasn't going to win the title, nor should he ever have. Just like Dean Malenko, an INCREDIBLE talent, majorly over in several promotions, was just not ever in the play pen of serious World Title contenders.

The End.

Why not? He was far better than for example, HHH.

**The One** · 04-16-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen v.W.o.

Why not? He was far better than for example, HHH.

LMAO! Boy there is just no limit to how far you will get the collective dick of the Hart family down your throat is there? Man if I was still swinging gay, I'd totally be able to jerk off to your posts as erotic fiction.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 03:05 PM

Yeah, and Eddie was supposed to win the championship the week after he died.

Bull-fucking-shit.

**Jordan** · 04-12-2007, 03:12 PM

You can belive what you want, say what you want but I really don't care.

**KingofOldSchool** · 04-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Actually I heard that The Countdown to the Millenium gimmick was going to be for Owen Hart.

Y....2....H!

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 03:19 PM

You can say anything after the fact.

I could say that Macho Man was supposed to do the WM9 run-in, but got injured and couldn't do it.

Doesn't make it true.

**Theo Dious** · 04-12-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126

You can say anything after the fact.

I could say that Macho Man was supposed to do the WM9 run-in, but got injured and couldn't do it.

Doesn't make it true.

Actually it was going to be my dad, but he had to work that night.

**Juan** · 04-12-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

This is in response to some of the stuff in the various fanboy wars topics and whatnot.

Owen was a big boy. He was a professional wrestler and had to have known the risks inherrent in any stunt, let alone one that involved coming down from the rafters.

I'm not saying that we didn't lose a good guy or anything, but can't we just agree that shit happens sometimes, and accidents are accidents?

Bret Hart has every right to be upset at the loss of his brother, and maybe the spot shouldn't have been done, but it was. And the fact is, it's a relatively safe stunt but there are always risks involved.

I know there are factors involved in terms of the wrestling world, but in the end, he went through with it and he died. And it was terrible, and it was a loss. But it was a mistake, and accident, and nobody should have an axe to grind over this. At least, none of us.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 03:54 PM

"The Game" gimmick is fairly generic anyway. He's a veteran wrestler who is considered one of the best and usually hangs out with a powerful crowd.

That can be attributed to about 10 high-profile wrestlers.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-12-2007, 03:54 PM

coulda woulda shoulda is stupid and I will put no emphasis on it. But I don't see Owen as overated just because a couple of posters on here say he should have been WWF Champ. It's takes more people then TPWW posters to get me to say anybody or anything is overrated.

He was one of the greatest heels in wreslting back in the mid 90's and was a solid IC Champ. He was a solid wrestler and could work anybody. It was retarted that the WWF didn't book Owen/HBK for the Title when Owen returned end of 97. There was money to be made there. Avenging the Harts was the perfect storyline.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 03:56 PM

Not just TPWW that thinks of him as a "great".

**Loose Cannon** · 04-12-2007, 03:57 PM

who else? back up your statement if you're going to post that.

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 04:02 PM

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who else? back up your statement if you're going to post that.

I don't have any links off-hand, but there are forums all over that there is at least a portion that say he deserved the championship. I don't keep every God damn website I visit in my bookmarks.

**Mercury Bullet** · 04-12-2007, 03:58 PM

Owen was definately a solid worker, good mid card talent. And I'll leave it at that.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-12-2007, 04:07 PM

alright, chill out bro. wow.

so, you're saying there are lots of people on message boards who say Owen deserved the championship? Do you know any people in real life that are wrestling fans who think this?

**Xero** · 04-12-2007, 04:09 PM

All the people I know that like wrestling know and care about the big names and that's about it. Owen never really comes up...

04-12-2007, 01:47 PM	#1
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Owen Hart. This is in response to some of the stuff in the various fanboy wars topics and whatnot. Owen was a big boy. He was a professional wrestler and had to have known the risks inherrent in any stunt, let alone one that involved coming down from the rafters. I'm not saying that we didn't lose a good guy or anything, but can't we just agree that shit happens sometimes, and accidents are accidents? Bret Hart has every right to be upset at the loss of his brother, and maybe the spot shouldn't have been done, but it was. And the fact is, it's a relatively safe stunt but there are always risks involved. I know there are factors involved in terms of the wrestling world, but in the end, he went through with it and he died. And it was terrible, and it was a loss. But it was a mistake, and accident, and nobody should have an axe to grind over this. At least, none of us. �There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old�s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.� --John Rogers

04-12-2007, 02:38 PM	#9
311 Five-Oh-Seven Posts: 763	Here's the cage match, plus the Bret/Benoit tribute. I was angry when I saw Sting doing the entrance too. I was actually watching that PVP when it happened, and it was definately surreal. I also remember developing a soft-spot for Jeff Jarret and Debra afterwards. WWE tried to do an interview with them before the match and they were both in absolute tears. Anyway, RIP Owen. Edit: In my opinion, this is one of the best promos Bret ever gave. (Not saying alot in my opinion, but at least there was some kind of meaning behind it.) Als, god I hated Vince as an announcer. Bret Hart Vs. Owen Hart (Steel Cage) Uploaded by Manu_Chaman Bret Hart vs Chris Benoit- Owen Tribute Uploaded by pepe007 Last edited by 311; 04-12-2007 at 02:44 PM.

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Theo Dious EATER OF HOT POCKETS Posts: 14,340	Well said. I particularly find myself annoyed with the people who find fault with Vince and the company for continuing the PPV. The people in attendance paid for a show, they had a right to expect one, and would have been well within their rights to leave if they felt it appropriate. Owen was a performer with a great love of the business, and in any performance situation "the show must go on." But too many people can't accept that some things are just terrible, senseless mistakes, and must find a way to fix blame. It saddens me and damages Owen's memory that so many people must point fingers.

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Zen v.W.o. GO HABS GO! Posts: 4,018	Owen was easily a main event level talent. And he should have been champ. There were plenty of eras that Owen should have remained in the main event scene. Mid 90's to be sure, and had their not been so much political BS occuring, after Montreal as well. Owen as an athlete was fucking awesome, and imo, he picked up on any style of wrestling better than anyone I have watched. In many ways he was better then Bret in the ring. You know what's overrated? Saying somebody is overrated due to their passing. Owen was one of the premier talents in the business while alive. Not really his fault there were some pretty stupid people around that never picked up on that.

04-12-2007, 01:55 PM	#6
Jordan It's a blood match! Posts: 27,382	I don't blame anybody, it was a total freak accedent, nobody would have purposfully made that tragic event happen. If it were my brother I'd feel differently probably, so I don't discriminate against Bret for any ill feelings he has, he is totally right to feel however he wants to feel.

04-12-2007, 02:02 PM	#7
311 Five-Oh-Seven Posts: 763	I completely agree. It's not as if this was the first time and entrance like that was done either. Hell, Sting had been doing it for a long time before Owen's accident.

04-12-2007, 01:58 PM	#10
Mercury Bullet The Year of the Bullet Posts: 4,259	True. Wrestling is a dangerous business to be in and there's a risk of serious injury or death in just about everything wrestlers do. They get into the business knowing this and it's ridiculous that when an accident happens, it's always somebodies fault, and somebody should be held accountable for it. No, there is no true accountability to an accident. The only accountability could/should be placed on the one directly involved in the accident. Sometimes the outcome of the accident is horrific and tragic, but, like previously stated and relating to Owen Hart, he knew what he was getting himself in to and he took the responsibilities and consequences of his actions.

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RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,991	Off topic sort of, but i bought The History of the WWE/F Championship and i watched Bret vs Owen for the title in the steel cage. That might be one of the best steel cage matches i've ever seen. The technical spots having to do with them diving for the door and trying to climb out were just about flawless and beautiful to watch. Incredible match.

04-12-2007, 02:39 PM	#13
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	Owen Hart is overrated.

04-12-2007, 02:51 PM	#15
311 Five-Oh-Seven Posts: 763	I'm not really sure what you mean by 'overrated.' Owen is Owen. He was never 'the' champ. He was mid-card talent at best. He could get around the ring with the best of them, yes, but he was never anything special. (In my opinion) I just always thought he was thought of and remembred as exactly what he was. However, he did contribute to shows ever time he was on them, and he's had some fantastic matches. (See the cage match posted.) Better than Bret? That would probably start another flame war.

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Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	Almost always, when I hear someone mention Owen, I always see how he was probably one of the best wrestlers to never hold the world and was one of the best ever. Like KooS said, he was a great mid-carder and that's where it stops. He NEVER should have been World Champion.

04-12-2007, 03:05 PM	#27
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	Yeah, and Eddie was supposed to win the championship the week after he died. Bull-fucking-shit.

04-12-2007, 03:12 PM	#28
Jordan It's a blood match! Posts: 27,382	You can belive what you want, say what you want but I really don't care.

04-12-2007, 03:18 PM	#29
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	Actually I heard that The Countdown to the Millenium gimmick was going to be for Owen Hart. Y....2....H!

04-12-2007, 03:19 PM	#30
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	You can say anything after the fact. I could say that Macho Man was supposed to do the WM9 run-in, but got injured and couldn't do it. Doesn't make it true.

04-12-2007, 03:54 PM	#33
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	"The Game" gimmick is fairly generic anyway. He's a veteran wrestler who is considered one of the best and usually hangs out with a powerful crowd. That can be attributed to about 10 high-profile wrestlers.

04-12-2007, 03:54 PM	#34
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	coulda woulda shoulda is stupid and I will put no emphasis on it. But I don't see Owen as overated just because a couple of posters on here say he should have been WWF Champ. It's takes more people then TPWW posters to get me to say anybody or anything is overrated. He was one of the greatest heels in wreslting back in the mid 90's and was a solid IC Champ. He was a solid wrestler and could work anybody. It was retarted that the WWF didn't book Owen/HBK for the Title when Owen returned end of 97. There was money to be made there. Avenging the Harts was the perfect storyline.

04-12-2007, 03:56 PM	#35
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	Not just TPWW that thinks of him as a "great".

04-12-2007, 03:57 PM	#36
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	who else? back up your statement if you're going to post that.

04-12-2007, 03:58 PM	#38
Mercury Bullet The Year of the Bullet Posts: 4,259	Owen was definately a solid worker, good mid card talent. And I'll leave it at that.

04-12-2007, 04:07 PM	#39
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	alright, chill out bro. wow. so, you're saying there are lots of people on message boards who say Owen deserved the championship? Do you know any people in real life that are wrestling fans who think this?

04-12-2007, 04:09 PM	#40
Xero He's Here Posts: 60,735	All the people I know that like wrestling know and care about the big names and that's about it. Owen never really comes up...