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Old 05-11-2007, 12:00 AM   #1
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Wrestling and ratings and wrestlers.
Wrestling lacks a crossover charismatic player that the industry feeds off.

HHH or anyone could go to TNA and still 'no one' would care. The ratings for WWE would stay virtually the same and so would those of TNA. TNA might get a week (or two) spike, but that's it.

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Old 05-11-2007, 12:23 AM   #3
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:27 AM   #4
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Last I knew, Triple H was hurting the QH ratings. Pre DX, anyway.

So he might actually help ratings by going to TNA.

You're right, though. Anglke, Sting, etc. can't make TNA big. Nor can they hurt WWE. Neither show has mainstream appeal.

By the way, the last two weeks of Raw Data yielded ratings of 2.9 and 3.1. The numbers were better even before the Wrestlemania hype started.

The ratings for TNA are a joke.

With so little interest, they're not going to make an Impact. No pun intended. Honest.
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It wouldn't matter if RAW's ratings were huge anyway. Most casual fans are going to see TNA as a joke, as do most internet fans now.

Until they step up writing and even their production, the only thing that would boost TNA ratings is Vince McMahon appearing.
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The ratings for TNA are a joke.

With so little interest, they're not going to make an Impact. No pun intended. Honest.
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:33 AM   #7
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Wrestling is definitly in a "recession" or a down swing and doesnt seem to be picking up.
The problem is people stoped caring along time ago, and havent been given a reason to care since, and it doesnt look like there going to start to anytime soon either. Until WWE does something new or finds away to be more appealing its going to get worse.

Even the people who currently still are watchin are nowhere near is religous to wrestling as there were say 8-10 years ago.
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:34 AM   #8
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WCW was a joke until they got a (the) huge star. It wasn't because the writing improved. It also explains why the WWE pushes Cena with movies and music. They are trying hard to make him a household name so he can take wrestling back into the homes of the casual fans. Or create new ones. Now this isn't a bad idea by WWE, it's just that guys like Hogan or The Rock or Austin were charismatic on their own, it wasn't shallow and forced. Cena doesn't have that 'it' factor.

Once a superstar is made, then other pieces fall into place, the storylines get better, the antagonists come into play. Right now there isn't a wrestler wrestling that has IT.
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:38 AM   #11
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WCW was a joke until they got a (the) huge star. It wasn't because the writing improved. It also explains why the WWE pushes Cena with movies and music. They are trying hard to make him a household name so he can take wrestling back into the homes of the casual fans. Or create new ones. Now this isn't a bad idea by WWE, it's just that guys like Hogan or The Rock or Austin were charismatic on their own, it wasn't shallow and forced. Cena doesn't have that 'it' factor.

Once a superstar is made, then other pieces fall into place, the storylines get better, the antagonists come into play. Right now there isn't a wrestler wrestling that has IT.
HBK still has 'it' god damn "it"
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:38 AM   #12
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The problem is, I don't think Vince knew how to make a star in the 80s or 90s. So we have to wiat for someone to fall into his lap.

Wrestling can become a deal with a household company "face," but it won't at this rate.
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Vince knows how to build and he did so all the while having Hogan and Andre in mind. He's a smart enough guy and he really doesn't have to be able to find these guys, I believe he tries but also thinks they'll find him.
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WCW was a joke until they got a (the) huge star. It wasn't because the writing improved. It also explains why the WWE pushes Cena with movies and music. They are trying hard to make him a household name so he can take wrestling back into the homes of the casual fans. Or create new ones. Now this isn't a bad idea by WWE, it's just that guys like Hogan or The Rock or Austin were charismatic on their own, it wasn't shallow and forced. Cena doesn't have that 'it' factor.

Once a superstar is made, then other pieces fall into place, the storylines get better, the antagonists come into play. Right now there isn't a wrestler wrestling that has IT.
But in order to MAKE stars you need to have good writing. I know I'll be unpopular for saying this, but ALL the "good" stars, from Austin to Hogan to even Rock could have been played by anyone who looked like an average Joe and went against authority, someone who could hype nothing into everything and someone who could both be an asshole and make silly jokes.

Everyone of them are replaceable with the right person. I'm not saying anyone could have done it, but more than one person could have filled their shoes. They wouldn't have gotten anywhere without proper booking and knowing when to give into the fans. Cena could have been huge, but they stopped listening to the fans and blew it. There will be another Cena in 4-6 years, and it will depend on how he's booked whether he gets over or not.
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Old 05-11-2007, 02:03 AM   #15
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Albeit there is no saving grace for TNA, I think RVD will be able to change the numbers a little bit.
RVD has something that Kurt Angle, Sting, Rhyno, Billy Gunn, Triple H, The Rock, Christian, and many others don't have.

It's called a freakin' cult following.
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Old 05-11-2007, 01:32 PM   #16
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Kurt Angle had main stream appeal though. Main stream is going to bring in more than a cult following.
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Kurt Angle had main stream appeal though. Main stream is going to bring in more than a cult following.
Yea but for how long? And look what Kurt did when he came in, sure the ratings went up a .5 for a for a little bit but then they dropped off and that was it.

Also Kurt hasnt wreslted a good match since arriving in TNA, and is just a shadow of what he used to be both in the ring and on the mic.
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And what is Van Dam going to bring in? A .2? .3?

My point was that Angle is the biggest one they got that would bring in viewers and didn't. If he can't, no one smaller than him, no matter how many "cult" fans he has, can.
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Cena isn't nearly as over as he should be. He's over, but by now he should be at or around Austin's level.
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WCW was a joke until they got a (the) huge star.
(Also no single wreslter caused a ratings spike in WCW. It wasn't until Hogan turned heel [some three years after he joined them,] that ratings changed. I.E. the writing is credited.)
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Cena isn't nearly as over as he should be. He's over, but by now he should be at or around Austin's level.
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Albeit there is no saving grace for TNA, I think RVD will be able to change the numbers a little bit.
RVD has something that Kurt Angle, Sting, Rhyno, Billy Gunn, Triple H, The Rock, Christian, and many others don't have.

It's called a freakin' cult following.
With a statement like that, you need to change yoru name to FourTwenty. You're clearly high.
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Yea but for how long? And look what Kurt did when he came in, sure the ratings went up a .5 for a for a little bit but then they dropped off and that was it.
And a "cult" following will bring in numbers?
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And a "cult" following will bring in numbers?
What's a .x, like 100,000 viewers? I think that's past being a "cult" anyway.
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.X varies, because it's effectively based on the number of people who tune in.

Think of Nielsen numbers as like a percentage.

It's pretty inane, anyway.
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