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Old 06-15-2007, 02:41 AM   #1
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NBA 2007 Offseason Thread
Post rumors, trades, deals and anything else involving the offseason in this thread. Here's hoping the Lakers pull off something sweet.
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Pacers should trade Larry Bird.
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Every keeps saying we're getting Odom and Bynum and Brown for O'Neal. First of all, Kwame Brown is one of the worst players in the NBA. The guy cant even catch the ball when its passed to him. Its so embarressing that i'm embarressed for him when i watch him play. Second, Andrew Bynum is a gamble. The last high school guy the Pacers gambeled on was supposed to be the next KG and that never happend. Third, Lamar Odom is easily a top 10 player in the league....if he plays. The idea or rumor that he wants a 3 year extension on his contract if he's traded to Indiana, is fucking insane. If this injury plagued player who already has a big contract, thinks Indiana is gunna give him 3 more years, someone needs to drug test Lamar Odom again. Then again, we did pick up Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavys contracts. And we did pay Jamaal Tinsley a long term deal.

I'd love to see them go after Marion, but that most likely wont happen cause the Suns want to trade him to avoid the luxury tax. Maybe a sign and trade involvind Rashaad Lewis? I dunno.

If i was a betting man, i'd say O'Neal will be in a Pacers jersey next year.
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Kobe told the owner of the Lakers again he wants to be traded.
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O'neal and Tinsley for Kobe!
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Yeah reports are Kobe got ticked because the Lakers changed their mind on the Odom/Bynum for J O'Neal deal. Buss is gonna meet with Kobe one more time to try to change his mind but it seems that if nothings settled there that Kobe will prolly get traded.
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Yeah Jonathan Bender was a big time bust for the Pacers. But he was very injury prone wasnt he?
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Lakers are right, Odom/Bynum > O'Neal.

I don't think the Lakers have made bad moves in the past year or two. Sure, with a dominant big man and Kobe they could be contenders. But where are they going to get a dominant big man? Jermaine O'Neill? Give me a break. The type of guy they need is KG or Duncan, and they aren't going to get him. Better off with young players than overpriced, underachieving veterans.

I would imagine that if Kobe is that upset then the Lakers will be trading him for a younger player who could very soon reach superstar status (Ginobili, Paul, Deng etc., of course the Lakers would demand more than just Kobe for Paul though). Or else they trade him for a series of real good, real early draft picks. I doubt Portland or Seattle is going to be trading this year, but if they can find a shitty team willing to give up two first rounders that will easilly be lottery picks, I think they take it.

The problem with the NBA right now is that the general managers are horrible and there are very few good teams. What will most likely happen with Kobe is that he will end up going to a team like the Knicks or the Wizards and never win a championship. It is pretty unlikely that the Lakers can develop a supporting cast to win a championship in the next five years, but it is much smarter to start young than to go for FA's.
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Steven A. said that he thinks a Kobe to the Bulls for Gordon, Deng, and Noconi deal is very possible
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I agree. J Oneal is a talented player, he can give you on a consisent basis 20 pts 12 rebs and 5 blks. But if you give up Odom and Bynum for him you basically traded 2 5 dollar bills for a 10, they are worth the same amount. A bad thing about J Oneal is he is very injury prone. He misses a lot of games during the season.
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I am absolutely terrified that Im gonna wake up one morning, check the news, and see the Lakers trading Kobe and not getting back equal value. Plus, yeah, fuck the whole Odom AND Drew for JO. That is a terrible deal.
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The 3 top trades for Kobe is

To the Bulls for Gordon, Deng, and Noconi
The Problem: While having Kobe would be great for the Bulls you would lose a lot of depth and have little off the bench beyond your starting 5 (Hinrich, Duhon, Kobe, Wallace, Brown)

To the Suns for Marion and Barbosa

Problem: The Suns want to trade Marion for cap room and acquiring Kobe would end any ideas of clearing cap space

To the Knicks for Marbury, Frye, and a 1st Rd Pick

Problem: The situation would be even worse than the Lakers if Kobe went to the Knicks with the roster they would have. Plus the Lakers fans would be ticked if they only got Marbury Frye and a 1st Rder for one of the elite players in the game.

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First of all. O'neal is a great player. Lets just get that out of the way. The guy has had some bad luck the last 3 years with the brawl and a few nagging injuries, but he's tough. He played the last month of this season with a torn MCL and still put up number. He's a major defensive presence and will score 20-25 points and grab 10 rebounds. Compared to Odom, whos Mr. Underachiever and had injury problems and a kid whos what 19 and your only keeping him cause he might be great?? And you say its a terrible deal? Getting an established All-Star big man with MVP type potential. Give me a break. Thats a fantastic deal that makes you guys contenders in the west right away especially if they added Tinsely.

Your giving up a career 15ppg 10reb guy and a 19 your old kid with huge potential ( we all know how that usually works out ) for All Star PF/Center. Kobe's right, you guys are stupid. He should get out now. Thats why the Lakers wont win a title as long as they dont make a trade.
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Lamar Odom is a top 10 player in the league, in my opinion. I believe giving him up AND bynum would be too much. But it's probably gonna happen. Looks like Kobe wants out regardless anyway.
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Lamar Odom is a top 10 player in the league, in my opinion. I believe giving him up AND bynum would be too much. But it's probably gonna happen. Looks like Kobe wants out regardless anyway.

Lamar Odom is no where near a top 10 player in the NBA. He's not even top 20 and probably not even top 30. I hope the Laker organization doesnt think the same way there fans are cause if so, buh bye Kobe. Lamar Odom has top 10 hell even top 5 talent, but he has never put it together to have a top 10 player season.
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BRING KOBE TO INDY!

Fuck it. I cant describe how electric this city would be if Kobe was playing in a Pacer uni. Fuck it man, give them O'Neal, Tinsley, Dunleavy and Larry Bird. Lets get Bean to Indy. I'd become a season ticket holder if that happend. Kobe and Granger together? Thats a modern day Pipped and Jordan.
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Even though the Pacers and Pistons probably won't trade with each other, I wouldn't mind seeing this happen.

Now keep in mind, I'm bored and I'm playing around with ESPN's trade machine.

Pacers get:

Richard Hamilton
Rasheed Wallace
Jordan Farmar
Andrew Bynum
Vladimir Radmanovic

Lakers get:

Jermaine O'Neal
Marcus Camby
Jamaal Tinsley

Nuggets get:

Jason Maxiell
Lindsey Hunter
Kwame Brown
Troy Murphy

Pistons get:

Lamar Odom
Kenyon Martin
Reggie Evans
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Now I don't want Wallace on the Pacers so trade him to the Knicks for David Lee and a draft pick. And while they are at it, find someone to take Radmanovic for a pick or something.

Lineups next year could be.

PG: Jordan Farmar or someone from FA
SG: Rip Hamilton
SF: Danny Granger
PF: David Lee
C: Ike Diogu

Reserves: Dunleavy, Daniels, Bynum, Williams, Foster, Harrison, Greene
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Nuggets laughed at Lakers when they called to offer Kwame for someone(s).
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Or JO for Marion straight up.
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Yeah it was Camby.
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Dont forget last months awful trade offer

The Knicks offered Channing Frye, Malik Rose, and Jerome James for J Oneal and it was rejected immedately.
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Lakers also got laughed at a couple years back when they offered Kobe for Amare and Marion and Odom to the Kings for Webber and Peja
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Read this trade rumor on a sports site and VonErich Lives posted this in the NBA thread but I will put it on the offseason thread

Garnett to the Celtics for
Green, Jefferson, Telfair, Ratliff and the #5 pick
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I believe Bostons SL after the trade would be

Rondo
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Off the Bench West and Gomes
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That trade would make absolutely no sense for the Timberwolves. With how bad the NBA is this season, the Wolves are one more move away from being back in the playoffs next year. They already made a great, albiet small, move in dumping Mike James for Juwan Howard. Now, if they can find way to get rid of Troy Hudson and/or Marco Jaric, even for a second round DP, they can make the playoffs. If Kevin Garnett is going to be traded, which I still doubt, it will be at the deadline.

For the Lakers, they are doing exactly the right thing right now. Too many teams in the NBA would trade away solid and young players for an overpriced, underachieving veteran, and that is why the NBA sucks. Unless the big man in question is Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Nowitski, Amare, maybe one of two others, he is not going to make you a contender. Trading for JO would not make the Lakers contenders and would fuck up their whole future. The right thing for them to do, if Kobe can't wait, is trade him.

The deal with the Bulls seems too good to be true for L.A. If they could trade Kobe for those three players, I think it would be done. Neither of them have the superstar power that Kobe does, but Deng was incredible last year and the other two are great players as well. Also to keep in mind, the Bulls have a very high draft pick from the Knicks. If they are the potential suitors for Kobe, I could that coming into play as well.

For that four team trade above, wishful thinking on the part of the Pacers, but not very realistic. I know it wasn't supposed to be, but just to make it clear
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Since I am bored and a bit energized right now, I will do you all a favor and give you my analysis on the Wolves. They aren't all that interesting, but just to give you guys a perspective on a team (since that's kind of why we are here).

Like I said above, I think they are one move from making the playoffs next year. The problem last year is that there were too many guards, all of which were average and needed a lot of playing time to do anything. They have already gotten rid of Mike James, now if they can get rid of either Hudson or Jaric that would be a positive step.

As it works right now, the lineup should look like this:

PG - Foye
SG - Davis
SF - Hassell
PF - Garnett
C - Blount
6 - McCants
7 - Howard
8 - Craig Smith


That said, things can easily change, and they likely will. The main reason that I think the Wolves can be good is the draft. As of right now, the Wolves will likely take Joakim Noah, Mike Conley Jr., or some power forward. My choice right now is to take Noah. If you draft him, he immediately makes Trenton Hassell expendable. Noah can play the 3 and immediately be the best defender on the floor, and he helps take the pressure off KG. Assuming Hassell can be traded, then it makes Jaric and Hudson easier to trade, and I would go as far as to say McCants could be traded as well. With those players, I would think there might be a decent player out there who could help, say maybe Rip Hamilton or something.

So really, I think the draft for the Wolves is as important this year as it ever has been. Taking a player like Noah who will be able to step in and fill a role immediately could be enough to bolster this lineup into the playoffs. The trade assets aren't great, but a combination of Hassell, Hudson and McCants could land a player like Larry Hughes, who would fit much better on the Wolves than the Cavs. I actually like Hudson and Hassell would fit great on the Cavs as well.

I might be rambling at this point, and I don't want to sound too optimistic, but outside of six or seven teams the NBA is as weak as it has ever been right now. I don't think Durant does anything for the Sonics this year and the Blazers are bound to have growing pains. An added defensive, big-man role player and a more consistant scorer than Ricky Davis has the Wolves easily in the playoffs this year.
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PG - Foye
SG - Hughes
SF - Noah
PF - Garnett
C - Blount
6 - Davis
7 - Howard
8 - Smith

Only a backup PG away from an eight seed baby!
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Read this trade rumor on a sports site and VonErich Lives posted this in the NBA thread but I will put it on the offseason thread

Garnett to the Celtics for
Green, Jefferson, Telfair, Ratliff and the #5 pick
yep, wrong thread on my part.

Anyway, as I said there... while I can understand the Celtics reasoning for it, I'm not sure I like the deal.

Garnett and Pierce would probably get the Celtics to the Eastern Confrence Championship game, because in todays NBA especially the East you really only need 2 "stars" and the whole Pierce isn't getting younger and if you wait for Green, Jefferson and the #5 pick whoever it is to mature then Pierce will be to old.

If that's the case I say you deal Pierce.

Either in a move that gets you a young player or simply open up the cap space so a year or two down the road as the young players are ready you can nail that big free agent.
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It seems Kobe is gonna get traded. I heard that it will prolly be a three way deal with the Wizards and Bulls.

Lakers get

Arenas
Butler
Gordon

Bulls get
Kobe

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Deng
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Problem is I heard was that the Wizards really dont want to part with Butler
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Reggie Theus is the new Kings head coach. Many thought it would be Larry Brown. I like the Theus hire, but I thought he should have coached at a high profile college for several years before he took a NBA job.
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The Sonics plan to annouce their new head coach within a week or 2. They annouced the 3 finalists are Carlisemo, Casey, and Carlisle.
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