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Old 09-11-2007, 12:55 AM   #1
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I already dislike Triple H's character again
He's going to go over Carlito in a match that Carlito should win. If this was a normally wrestling match, fine, give Triple H the win. If this was No DQ, fine, give Triple H the win. Seeing as this is No DQ for Carlito only, he should go over Triple H with the advantage, and create sympathy for Triple H fighting the uphill battle, and giving Carlito the rub as a heel. Unfortunately, Triple H is going to go over clean, and make Carlito look foolish.

If they want to keep Triple H strong, have him get disqualified on purpose, and having this feud continue into No Mercy. I don't trust the WWE to even be that delicate with Carlito's character.

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Old 09-11-2007, 01:05 AM   #2
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Just mentioned this in my topic at the EXACT same time as you.

The writings on the wall for Carlito. Booker in 8 minutes, Umaga embarrassed and the win over Shelton, just to get the scores even again. He is back to being the same as he always was, just another example of horrible booking.
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Triple H will go over, well because he's Triple H and he can.
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H should go over. Sorrry. Fresh off a return man. Put him over for at least 3 months solid. At least.
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Meh... Carlito doesn't really care about the business anyway, so I'm ambivalent.
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H should go over. Sorrry. Fresh off a return man. Put him over for at least 3 months solid. At least.
Three months is a bit excessive, but let's say you're right, and they protect Triple H (like he needs it). They should put him in matches where he can go over without hurting anyone else. My problem isn't so much with Triple H winning as it is how he wins. We don't need another Superman.

Given the circumstances being stacked against him as they are, Carlito should go over. Whether he uses weapons, or gets hired guns to take out Triple H during the match, it should go to Carlito. It won't, though, and that's just wrong.

If they want to protect Triple H, they should put him in matches he can win without hurting anybody.
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They could have Regal come back on Unforgiven and declare that he can add to the match and make it no DQ for HHH as well.

WWE does have some time to change it, though faith is not on their side.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:29 AM   #9
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Dude. We're optimists. He may still lose to Carlito.

That said. Critic and I immediately wondered why this sort of match isn't used more often. It's much more effective in "stacking the odds" than a normal No-DQ match. And if HHH loses he has an actual reason to point to for losing, not just "Doesn't do well in Hardcore matches", since we know that's idiotic.

But yeah. I can see this swinging easily both ways. The way that gives me a blowjob: Carlito using the sledgehammer to win/ just winning. Or the way that crushes my spirit: HHH embodying the glass cieling and simultaneously overcoming the odds. I think Carlito's going to win because of HHH more than anything. He seems to have realized how and when to job before his injury and I would guess he has a level of control over the fued.

I'm still trying to think of some way for Carlito to Carlito-ize the sledgehammer someway, but I'm not getting any good ideas.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:18 AM   #10
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Yeah, if there's anyone who doesn't need to be put over after a return, it's Triple H. But when you think of all the people who didn't win for that ridiculous, gautarded length of time...
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:51 AM   #11
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HHH should and will go over because Carlito doesn't seem to care and get lazy. Anyhow, get HHH huge, then Jericho can go over HHH on his return, duh.
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Yeh, I hope this doesn't squash the momentum that Carlito is building! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, now if Triple H was gonna walk right in and steamroll some up and coming star that was on a big roll I might have a problem with it. Say he was mowing down MVP or Kennedy, etc. That would be one thing. Carlito is another. Is Carlito really going anywhere right now? No. IMO, Carlito is the perfect Trips Fodder for the time being.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:46 AM   #13
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The idea, or what should be the idea is to build new stars. In which case Carlito should go over. Some of you guys point to Carlito's lack of passion. Thing is, maybe a Carlito win over HHH gets the guy going, maybe it doesn't. Does Hunter really lose anything putting Carlito over?

Carlito however, probably gets his life sentence to mid-card hell if he loses to Hunter. In that regard, why not give Carlito the win?
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The idea, or what should be the idea is to build new stars. In which case Carlito should go over. Some of you guys point to Carlito's lack of passion. Thing is, maybe a Carlito win over HHH gets the guy going, maybe it doesn't. Does Hunter really lose anything putting Carlito over?

Carlito however, probably gets his life sentence to mid-card hell if he loses to Hunter. In that regard, why not give Carlito the win?
Carlito has been pushed since day one. On his first day on Smackdown, he won the US title from Cena. On his first day on raw he won the ic title. He has been pushed but he refuses to take it to the next level. It some times seems like he thinks things should be handed to him. He is entertaining but no where near Jericho entertaining or even Christian entertaining.
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Carlito has been pushed since day one. On his first day on Smackdown, he won the US title from Cena. On his first day on raw he won the ic title. He has been pushed but he refuses to take it to the next level. It some times seems like he thinks things should be handed to him. He is entertaining but no where near Jericho entertaining or even Christian entertaining.

Isn't that part of the problem though? Guys coming in and being handed things so quickly only to either lose passion or have the idea that they SHOULD be handed things?

Lesnar came in and got the keys to the kingdom. He left a few months later after doing everything he could do. Lesnar was handed everything on a platter, looked down and asked "that's it?" Now, we're getting into a completely separate issue, so I digress.

But again, I feel like what's the point of cutting down a guy with potential? (Yeah, he's not Jericho or Chrstian but not everyone has to be a guy with superstar potential, why can't the guy be a good main eventer) We can all agree they need to start building new stars, why not start here with on of the few people on any of the rosters that still has a name worth a damn?
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Why do you want a lazy main eventer who doesn't really care about anything but what he deserves?

We've already got Trips.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:51 AM   #17
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I don't know why people never see Carlito as a future star... MVP and Kennedy and CM Punk all obviously have the right tools, but so does Carlito.

I've been a fan of his since his debut, and in my opinion he has what it takes. He has the look, the mic skills and he's excellent in the ring.

I've not watched WWE too much lately, so if he's getting "lazy" I can only imagine it's because he's been in one dead-end fued to another. (And losing clean to an old, broken down Ric Flair probably doesn't help).

If it was up to me, Carlito really should win this match. Triple H doesn't need the win, regardless of comebacks etc... and to lose in this stipulation hardly makes him look bad anyway. But a win here will help put Carlito up the card a bit more, and may even motivate him to up his game again.

A Triple H win will basically result in a Pedigree out of nowhere. A 10 minute pose down by Hunter. And then we'll never see Carlito that high up the card again.
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Isn't that part of the problem though? Guys coming in and being handed things so quickly only to either lose passion or have the idea that they SHOULD be handed things?

Lesnar came in and got the keys to the kingdom. He left a few months later after doing everything he could do. Lesnar was handed everything on a platter, looked down and asked "that's it?" Now, we're getting into a completely separate issue, so I digress.

But again, I feel like what's the point of cutting down a guy with potential? (Yeah, he's not Jericho or Chrstian but not everyone has to be a guy with superstar potential, why can't the guy be a good main eventer) We can all agree they need to start building new stars, why not start here with on of the few people on any of the rosters that still has a name worth a damn?
Carlito's push is nothing like Brock's.
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It's not like I couldn't see this happening for any other main event face, so while I honestly am more of a Carlito fan than a Triple H fan, I can't really bitch too much about this one, even if it does go the way it's obviously looking like it will.
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WWE will prolly book it where Carlito wins by DQ after HHH nails him with a sledgehammer.
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If carlito didn't suck he'd go over cleanly.
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Or there could be a run in where Orton RKO's Carlito, just to piss off HHH.

After that Orton will tell HHH that he is his son.

The crowd would buy it.
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Old 09-11-2007, 06:42 PM   #28
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:59 PM   #29
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I think HHH's beat down of Umaga did a pretty good job of putting Umaga over, based on how much it took to bring him down. Hopefully this translates into a feud, possibly culminating at the Rumble. No, HHH doesn't need to be put over right now, but it's what the fans want, and it's not like any of the people he's beaten are harmed by it (Booker is over and possibly gone so he's moot, Shelton is in the tag scene, and Carlito isn't going anywhere now).
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:35 PM   #30
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WWE will prolly book it where Carlito wins by DQ after HHH nails him with a sledgehammer.
That would be smart booking. So the WWE won't do it.

Also, anyone who says that Carlito would go over clean if he didn't suck is an idiot. Stone Cold Steve Austin could get into ring shape with the power of God, get a note from the Almighty himself which says "Stone Cold Steve Austin is back, use him as he should be used," and he would still job to Triple H clean in 8 minutes. Hunter isn't Larry Liedown.

My point isn't that Carlito should go over Triple H, anyway. My point is that he should go over under these particular circumstances. If this were a normal match, not only would I expect the Triple H win, I would be OK with it. Here you have a match that could see Carlito bring out a small army and beat Triple H to an inch of his career, and then get the pin. Carlito doesn't even need to technically participate in this match, and can just swoop in at the end. Triple H is still going to win, though. He's a Superman babyface, he's a politician, he's not too fond of Carlito (by the sounds of it) and he's fresh off an injury. A fucking jobber should go over Triple H in these kind of circumstances...they can just walk in with a baseball bat and swing wildly. This is, much like the Handicap Match, a match for the face to lose and not suffer any damage. Instead, the reverse will happen, Triple H will try and make himself look good, and Carlito will get hurt.

Also, Carlito's "lack of passion" allegedly comes from being a forced babyface. The guy got into the business because of his father's wishes, true, but he's a solid talent with lots of potential. The fans think so (enough so that the WWE took his character, watered it done, and made him a bland babyface), and it must be frustrating as fuck to be going up, and then all of a sudden going nowhere. That's what I assume Carlito's problem was with. Having him job a thousand times to Triple H is not going to motivate him. What the WWE are essentially doing is to pay a guy $250,000 a year to hate his job, waste his talent, and benefit nobody. Whether or not you like Carlito, it's just bad business. It's always been my philosophy that if a guy is under contract, he should be made worth his money. The WWE are risking damage to Carlito, and it's like running a furniture store and smashing up your own goods.

If this were just Triple H vs. Carlito, then it should have been a solid match, with Carlito looking good, getting a chance to impress Triple H and the brass, before ultimately losing to The Game, keeping his return momentum going. Seeing as Carlito should be able to run Triple H over with a semi-trailer if he wanted to, and he's still going to lose, it benefits nobody. Not even Triple H, because as recent history has shown us, overproduced babyfaces just fail.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:44 AM   #32
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I don't give a fuck who you are, if you're getting paid $250,000 and you still "aren't motivated" to do your fucking job convincingly, then you deserve to job to HHH. He got his wish, he's a heel now, and he's still boring.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:48 AM   #33
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I don't give a fuck who you are, if you're getting paid $250,000 and you still "aren't motivated" to do your fucking job convincingly, then you deserve to job to HHH. He got his wish, he's a heel now, and he's still boring.
So you deserve to job to a man who's getting paids more and is even less motivaed?
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If you ever complain about Hogan, I will hunt you down and kill you myself, with that logic.

Or is it different?
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