Is there anyone in your opinion...

**St. Jimmy** · 01-06-2008, 07:44 PM

That brings that "Big Match" feel to an event besides Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and The Undertaker.

Those three are the only people who still hold that importance to me.

**Jordan** · 01-06-2008, 07:47 PM

It can't just be one guy. Edge vs Cena had a big match feel, Batista, JBL, and Jericho can make that feeling as well.

**Bad Company** · 01-06-2008, 07:51 PM

Jericho, Cena, Angle?

**St. Jimmy** · 01-06-2008, 07:54 PM

No matches in TNA feel big, tbh.

**Innovator** · 01-06-2008, 07:58 PM

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No matches in TNA feel big, tbh.

They have to leave Orlando

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-06-2008, 08:23 PM

John Cena is unable to get the big match feel out of me. To be honest, The Undertaker was never too good at getting it out of my, either. I can understand why people would nominate him, but isn't he one of the worst drawing Champions of all-time?

I think Kurt Angle was a good pick, as is Chris Jericho. Angle is still one of the best wrestlers in the world. With good booking and a proper opponent, he could make a match feel special. Jericho is another of the best wrestlers left in the world, and you only had to feel the electricity when he was about to win the WWE Championship at Armageddon. When JBL gave Jericho a big boot and caused the DQ, the air was sucked out of the place. They were really into the moment.

Six odd picks I am going with: Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, Kane, The Briscoes, Batista and Jimmy Jacobs. Kane has never been a massive draw, but he is far more than the sum of his parts. When he gets on a roll, people really buy into it. He never really has the marque match, but he generates energy for programs that should not have energy. Batista, as much as I am sour on the guy currently, has managed to produce some of the bigger feeling matches in recent wrestling history. Samoa Joe, like him or not, basically created ROH based on his hype alone. Bryan Danielson can work any wrestling style, and most will agree is the best wrestler on the independent scene. If you're not attending a WWE card, you should be hoping there is a Bryan Danielson match scheduled. The Briscoes are basically the tag team version of Bryan Danielson, and one of the hottest thing going in the independent scene (which is growing, like it or not). Jimmy Jacobs is just so good at promos that there is this hype that follows him. He doesn't have the "big matches," but he gives his matches a bigger feel than they arguably should have.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-06-2008, 08:25 PM

So yeah, besides Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle, I don't think there's anyone unless you scale down the expectations with the level they are performing on.

**The Heenan Family** · 01-06-2008, 08:50 PM

I got MVP in there right now. He doesn't work as much as other guys, but he always has "Big Game" feel to me.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-06-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Heenan Family

I got MVP in there right now. He doesn't work as much as other guys, but he always has "Big Game" feel to me.

MVP is right up there.

**Theo Dious** · 01-06-2008, 09:41 PM

MVP generates a real "peek into the future" aura. He's not quite the "big match" feel, but he definitely gives you a feeling that, one day, this is what you will be paying to see.

**Fox** · 01-06-2008, 09:49 PM

MVP is nowhere near the level of making a "big match." He hasn't even worked a real main event with a true main eventer yet, for Christ's sake.

Jimmy Jacobs? The Briscoes? Bryan Danielson? Dude - 75% of wrestling fans have not even heard of these people before. They might make ROH feel like a "big time" atmosphere, but it's ROH, and those 75% haven't heard of that before either.

John Cena does bring the big match atmosphere, which is why the WWE can put him in a main event with The Great Khali and it will work to a degree. It's his music, his reputation, his entrance and his facial mannerisms that give the match, in those 1-3 minutes before the bell rings, that big match feel. This is especially true in his showdowns with HBK, Triple H and Randy Orton (to an extent). Even his match with Bobby Lashley had a bit of a big match feel to it.

Hulk Hogan still has this drawing power. His match with Shawn Michaels had that feeling of being something more than just a match - even though it ended up sucking all kinds of balls.

**BigDaddyCool** · 01-06-2008, 11:04 PM

Taz could bring the big match feel to ECW.

In WWE...hmmmmmmmm, the only people that make if feel really important are HHH, HBK, and 'Taker. Bats and Cena have just been shoved down our throats to make me not care.

**Kane Knight** · 01-06-2008, 11:54 PM

Nobody really does unless they're a remnant of the Attitude Era. And even then, it's usually not because of their inherent greatness. Michaels aside.

**Jeritron** · 01-07-2008, 01:21 AM

Alienoid, I realize you like those guys but it's kinda wrong to say they bring that big match feel. The only big match feel Kane has ever brough was against The Undertaker.
I like him, but he doesn't bring a big match feel to anything. In fact, any "big match" he's in just feels like a throwaway keeping a champion busy.
His last match that had a big time feel to it was without a doubt his match against Taker at WMXX. That was a HUGE match feel. One of the more amazing builds and hypes ever really, just like it's predecessor at WM14. Other than that, the most big match feel I've gotten from him was his Mask vs Title match against HHH, just because of the prospect of either finally seeing him unmasked, or him winning the title.

Honestly, Cena is probably able to do it best out of the current guys who aren't from the attitude era (HBK, HHH, Undertaker) but he's not able to do it regularly or even against many opponents. In fact, the only ones he's really done it with are HBK and HHH at Wrestlemania, which says a lot more about that event and those 2 he faced than it does about him.

The only other person he's been able to do it with is Edge, and they were able to do it consistently. Mainly because they have a unique and special rivalry that pretty much is the Rock/Austin, HBK/Bret of this current era. I'm not saying its on that level, but it's the best offering in terms of chemistry in a low time.

Nobody in TNA can. The closest they've come is with Angle/Joe, but that was pretty much only among the IWC and the TNA marks, and even still they drove it into the ground and didn't make it very 'big'.

Jericho, as much as I like him, doesn't really bring as big of a feel to matches as some here would probably say. He could, but for whatever reasons he hasn't because of the way he's been handled. Orton/Jericho was so "big" that it didn't even main event the show and previous big matches of his have suffered, like Wrestlemania 18. That wasn't his fault though.

On the other hand, HHH brough a huge match feel to his midcard number one contender match with Jeff Hardy. Thats a credit to both of them at this time, but I think HHH is very good at doing this, thanks to his experience in the main event and all that he's been given.

Cena/Batista, when they finally square off with bring with it an enourmous match feel. That's probably more of a product of them never colliding and the promotion building them the way they have on seperate brands, but nonetheless it will be huge. Hate to admit it.

**Jeritron** · 01-07-2008, 01:30 AM

In fact, I can't wait for Cena/Batista. It's about the only thing I'm interested in either one of them doing aside from Cena turning heel. It's just got so much to it.
They've dominated from the same point on.
They both won their first title on seperate brands the same night.
They've both been the complete focus of the promotion under different banners, even switching shows interchangebly.
They essentially tied in the rumble in 05
They have never faced

When they lock horns for the first time, they need to book it for a mania, and for one or both titles. And they need to do it face/face and make it a Warrior/Hogan type deal.

I can't believe I'm talking about this with so much excitement, but it's honestly the best thing that will come of them shoving them down our throats..even if the match is mediocre at best. This should probably be the main event for WM25

**D Mac** · 01-07-2008, 01:41 AM

Orton

**El Fangel** · 01-07-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron

In fact, I can't wait for Cena/Batista. It's about the only thing I'm interested in either one of them doing aside from Cena turning heel. It's just got so much to it.
They've dominated from the same point on.
They both won their first title on seperate brands the same night.
They've both been the complete focus of the promotion under different banners, even switching shows interchangebly.
They essentially tied in the rumble in 05
They have never faced

When they lock horns for the first time, they need to book it for a mania, and for one or both titles. And they need to do it face/face and make it a Warrior/Hogan type deal.

I can't believe I'm talking about this with so much excitement, but it's honestly the best thing that will come of them shoving them down our throats..even if the match is mediocre at best. This should probably be the main event for WM25

You know why they would not have a Cena/Batista match before this, It causes an Infinite cycle. Bats loses or doesnt have the he gets a rematch or title shot, Cena if he loses he gets a rematch for his title, which he will win.

**JokerFace** · 01-07-2008, 02:20 AM

If they continue to push Jeff Hardy just right, I could envision - down the road, a Jeff Hardy vs. Edge storyline that in my opinion, is capable of producing that "big match" feeling.

**Shisen Kopf** · 01-07-2008, 05:04 AM

Andre the Giant vs Hulk Hogan thats about it.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-07-2008, 07:03 AM

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MVP is nowhere near the level of making a "big match." He hasn't even worked a real main event with a true main eventer yet, for Christ's sake.

Jimmy Jacobs? The Briscoes? Bryan Danielson? Dude - 75% of wrestling fans have not even heard of these people before. They might make ROH feel like a "big time" atmosphere, but it's ROH, and those 75% haven't heard of that before either.

John Cena does bring the big match atmosphere, which is why the WWE can put him in a main event with The Great Khali and it will work to a degree. It's his music, his reputation, his entrance and his facial mannerisms that give the match, in those 1-3 minutes before the bell rings, that big match feel. This is especially true in his showdowns with HBK, Triple H and Randy Orton (to an extent). Even his match with Bobby Lashley had a bit of a big match feel to it.

Hulk Hogan still has this drawing power. His match with Shawn Michaels had that feeling of being something more than just a match - even though it ended up sucking all kinds of balls.

John Cena does not bring the big match atmosphere. He brings the forced main event push atmosphere. His music is annoying, his reputation is rather shitty when it comes to where he is and whether or not he deserves to be there, his entracne makes him look like a retard when he comes out flailing and his facial mannerisms actually ruin more matches than they save.

And if you read my posts, you'd know I was talking about the independent guys in ratio to the WWE product. None of those guys is going to headline WrestleMania, but that wasn't my point. I have highlighted my point, which is what you agree with.

As for MVP, I agree that he hasn't quite had the big match, but with what he currently does, his matches are gaining more weight in the scheme of things. People can sense that he has all the qualities to bring the big match feel.

That being said, I think Mr. Kennedy will be able to do the same when the WWE finally decides to push him. He win over Shawn Michaels made him seem so much more serious and relevent in the scheme of things. Give Kennedy and MVP time, and pushes, and they will be able to do the big match thing, I believe.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-07-2008, 07:07 AM

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Alienoid, I realize you like those guys but it's kinda wrong to say they bring that big match feel. The only big match feel Kane has ever brough was against The Undertaker.
I like him, but he doesn't bring a big match feel to anything. In fact, any "big match" he's in just feels like a throwaway keeping a champion busy.
His last match that had a big time feel to it was without a doubt his match against Taker at WMXX. That was a HUGE match feel. One of the more amazing builds and hypes ever really, just like it's predecessor at WM14. Other than that, the most big match feel I've gotten from him was his Mask vs Title match against HHH, just because of the prospect of either finally seeing him unmasked, or him winning the title.

I'll admit that Kane is a little biased, but honestly, when Kane gets on a roll character-wise, he gets reactions in people that years of watering down his character should make impossible. It might not be so much be making the matches feel "big time," as it is making them feel more important than they should.

As KK implied, I think a lot of it has to do with the Attitude era.

I'd disagree with Randy Orton and Edge as selected picks, too.

**Dave Youell** · 01-07-2008, 10:23 AM

You know what makes a big match?

Decent booking, with story telling that makes you want to see it.

When MVP and Matt Hardy eventually get that match on, it will be a ‘Big’ match to me, because of the suspense that been building.

For me, creating a big match is getting a match to the point where the fans crave it, not have it thrust upon them. So there hasn’t been many big matches for a while really. The HBK/Cena match was, because it had 12 weeks of build, and that’s what you need to do to create a big match, yes you need 2 talented workers, but most guys on the current roster could portray the right role in a story given enough time for the fans to give a crap about.

Jeff/Orton might get close to that, as the gap between the last PPV and the Rumble is greater than normal

**Tommy Gunn** · 01-07-2008, 01:32 PM

IF MVP and Matt go at it on PPV, it will be MOTN easily.

MVP's been my favourite for about a year now, with Kennedy a close second. I always look forward to their matches the most.

**Russenmafia** · 01-07-2008, 04:04 PM

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IF MVP and Matt go at it on PPV, it will be MOTN easily.

MVP's been my favourite for about a year now, with Kennedy a close second. I always look forward to their matches the most.

Matt's injury has made it likely they will end their feud at WM24 when he comes back to the ring. That would be amazing as the feud has been excellent and deserves to end on the "biggest stage of them all"

**BigDaddyCool** · 01-07-2008, 05:06 PM

Batista should, but doesn't and here is why: a million redos. He is always in the mainevent if he is challenger or champion. Since he is always there, it lesses the experence. Plus, he doesn't earn his spot, he just assumes it. If he wasn't #1 contender for all of 2007, it would be different.

Cena is getting there. But since we already know "Cena wins" it doesn't matter. If they can give Cena matches that air of unpredictablilty were someone might actaully be able to beat him and take his title, he would have a big match feel when he goes into the match.

**Corkscrewed** · 01-07-2008, 07:59 PM

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If they can give Cena matches that air of unpredictablilty were someone might actaully be able to beat him and take his title, he would have a big match feel when he goes into the match.

You mean overcoming 382,710 odds isn't enough??

**hb2k** · 01-09-2008, 02:26 PM

Thing is, Cena always always without fail brings the big match feel because everybody wants to see the outcome, they care if he wins or loses. Saying the outcome isn't in jeopardy is crap really, nobody knows anything until it happens, like when the whole world thought HHH was winning at Mania 22 and Cena won instead.

01-06-2008, 07:47 PM	#2
Jordan It's a blood match! Posts: 27,385	It can't just be one guy. Edge vs Cena had a big match feel, Batista, JBL, and Jericho can make that feeling as well.

01-06-2008, 07:51 PM	#3
Bad Company Mad Posts: 26,228	Jericho, Cena, Angle?

01-06-2008, 07:54 PM	#4
St. Jimmy Last of a Dying Forum Posts: 16,215	No matches in TNA feel big, tbh.

01-06-2008, 08:23 PM	#6
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,634	John Cena is unable to get the big match feel out of me. To be honest, The Undertaker was never too good at getting it out of my, either. I can understand why people would nominate him, but isn't he one of the worst drawing Champions of all-time? I think Kurt Angle was a good pick, as is Chris Jericho. Angle is still one of the best wrestlers in the world. With good booking and a proper opponent, he could make a match feel special. Jericho is another of the best wrestlers left in the world, and you only had to feel the electricity when he was about to win the WWE Championship at Armageddon. When JBL gave Jericho a big boot and caused the DQ, the air was sucked out of the place. They were really into the moment. Six odd picks I am going with: Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, Kane, The Briscoes, Batista and Jimmy Jacobs. Kane has never been a massive draw, but he is far more than the sum of his parts. When he gets on a roll, people really buy into it. He never really has the marque match, but he generates energy for programs that should not have energy. Batista, as much as I am sour on the guy currently, has managed to produce some of the bigger feeling matches in recent wrestling history. Samoa Joe, like him or not, basically created ROH based on his hype alone. Bryan Danielson can work any wrestling style, and most will agree is the best wrestler on the independent scene. If you're not attending a WWE card, you should be hoping there is a Bryan Danielson match scheduled. The Briscoes are basically the tag team version of Bryan Danielson, and one of the hottest thing going in the independent scene (which is growing, like it or not). Jimmy Jacobs is just so good at promos that there is this hype that follows him. He doesn't have the "big matches," but he gives his matches a bigger feel than they arguably should have.

01-06-2008, 08:25 PM	#7
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,634	So yeah, besides Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle, I don't think there's anyone unless you scale down the expectations with the level they are performing on.

01-06-2008, 08:50 PM	#8
The Heenan Family I'm the 3 maker Posts: 106	I got MVP in there right now. He doesn't work as much as other guys, but he always has "Big Game" feel to me.

01-06-2008, 09:41 PM	#10
Theo Dious EATER OF HOT POCKETS Posts: 14,340	MVP generates a real "peek into the future" aura. He's not quite the "big match" feel, but he definitely gives you a feeling that, one day, this is what you will be paying to see.

01-06-2008, 09:49 PM	#11
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,075	MVP is nowhere near the level of making a "big match." He hasn't even worked a real main event with a true main eventer yet, for Christ's sake. Jimmy Jacobs? The Briscoes? Bryan Danielson? Dude - 75% of wrestling fans have not even heard of these people before. They might make ROH feel like a "big time" atmosphere, but it's ROH, and those 75% haven't heard of that before either. John Cena does bring the big match atmosphere, which is why the WWE can put him in a main event with The Great Khali and it will work to a degree. It's his music, his reputation, his entrance and his facial mannerisms that give the match, in those 1-3 minutes before the bell rings, that big match feel. This is especially true in his showdowns with HBK, Triple H and Randy Orton (to an extent). Even his match with Bobby Lashley had a bit of a big match feel to it. Hulk Hogan still has this drawing power. His match with Shawn Michaels had that feeling of being something more than just a match - even though it ended up sucking all kinds of balls.

01-06-2008, 11:04 PM	#12
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	Taz could bring the big match feel to ECW. In WWE...hmmmmmmmm, the only people that make if feel really important are HHH, HBK, and 'Taker. Bats and Cena have just been shoved down our throats to make me not care.

01-06-2008, 11:54 PM	#13
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Nobody really does unless they're a remnant of the Attitude Era. And even then, it's usually not because of their inherent greatness. Michaels aside.

01-07-2008, 01:21 AM	#14
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	Alienoid, I realize you like those guys but it's kinda wrong to say they bring that big match feel. The only big match feel Kane has ever brough was against The Undertaker. I like him, but he doesn't bring a big match feel to anything. In fact, any "big match" he's in just feels like a throwaway keeping a champion busy. His last match that had a big time feel to it was without a doubt his match against Taker at WMXX. That was a HUGE match feel. One of the more amazing builds and hypes ever really, just like it's predecessor at WM14. Other than that, the most big match feel I've gotten from him was his Mask vs Title match against HHH, just because of the prospect of either finally seeing him unmasked, or him winning the title. Honestly, Cena is probably able to do it best out of the current guys who aren't from the attitude era (HBK, HHH, Undertaker) but he's not able to do it regularly or even against many opponents. In fact, the only ones he's really done it with are HBK and HHH at Wrestlemania, which says a lot more about that event and those 2 he faced than it does about him. The only other person he's been able to do it with is Edge, and they were able to do it consistently. Mainly because they have a unique and special rivalry that pretty much is the Rock/Austin, HBK/Bret of this current era. I'm not saying its on that level, but it's the best offering in terms of chemistry in a low time. Nobody in TNA can. The closest they've come is with Angle/Joe, but that was pretty much only among the IWC and the TNA marks, and even still they drove it into the ground and didn't make it very 'big'. Jericho, as much as I like him, doesn't really bring as big of a feel to matches as some here would probably say. He could, but for whatever reasons he hasn't because of the way he's been handled. Orton/Jericho was so "big" that it didn't even main event the show and previous big matches of his have suffered, like Wrestlemania 18. That wasn't his fault though. On the other hand, HHH brough a huge match feel to his midcard number one contender match with Jeff Hardy. Thats a credit to both of them at this time, but I think HHH is very good at doing this, thanks to his experience in the main event and all that he's been given. Cena/Batista, when they finally square off with bring with it an enourmous match feel. That's probably more of a product of them never colliding and the promotion building them the way they have on seperate brands, but nonetheless it will be huge. Hate to admit it.

01-07-2008, 02:20 AM	#18
JokerFace DTA JIGGASOB Posts: 578	If they continue to push Jeff Hardy just right, I could envision - down the road, a Jeff Hardy vs. Edge storyline that in my opinion, is capable of producing that "big match" feeling.

01-07-2008, 05:04 AM	#19
Shisen Kopf They're eating the dogs.. Posts: 27,469	Andre the Giant vs Hulk Hogan thats about it.

01-07-2008, 10:23 AM	#22
Dave Youell 1/2 Optimist 1/2 Amazing Posts: 12,427	You know what makes a big match? Decent booking, with story telling that makes you want to see it. When MVP and Matt Hardy eventually get that match on, it will be a ‘Big’ match to me, because of the suspense that been building. For me, creating a big match is getting a match to the point where the fans crave it, not have it thrust upon them. So there hasn’t been many big matches for a while really. The HBK/Cena match was, because it had 12 weeks of build, and that’s what you need to do to create a big match, yes you need 2 talented workers, but most guys on the current roster could portray the right role in a story given enough time for the fans to give a crap about. Jeff/Orton might get close to that, as the gap between the last PPV and the Rumble is greater than normal

01-07-2008, 01:32 PM	#23
Tommy Gunn Posts: 1,290	IF MVP and Matt go at it on PPV, it will be MOTN easily. MVP's been my favourite for about a year now, with Kennedy a close second. I always look forward to their matches the most.

01-07-2008, 05:06 PM	#25
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	Batista should, but doesn't and here is why: a million redos. He is always in the mainevent if he is challenger or champion. Since he is always there, it lesses the experence. Plus, he doesn't earn his spot, he just assumes it. If he wasn't #1 contender for all of 2007, it would be different. Cena is getting there. But since we already know "Cena wins" it doesn't matter. If they can give Cena matches that air of unpredictablilty were someone might actaully be able to beat him and take his title, he would have a big match feel when he goes into the match.

01-09-2008, 02:26 PM	#27
hb2k Do Unto Others... Posts: 2,086	Thing is, Cena always always without fail brings the big match feel because everybody wants to see the outcome, they care if he wins or loses. Saying the outcome isn't in jeopardy is crap really, nobody knows anything until it happens, like when the whole world thought HHH was winning at Mania 22 and Cena won instead.