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Old 02-07-2008, 06:12 PM   #1
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Biggest Falls From Grace?
During pro-wrestling history, many sad things happened that still leave an impression on it's fans. Once respected promotions turned into sinking ships, prestigious titles lost all their credibility due to terrible title holders and booking decisions, big stars who couldn't take the pressure lost battles with their personal demons and of course pro-wrestling has also many times been the subject of negative media attention.

A question I'd like to pose to all of you, is what are some of the biggest falls from grace you have ever seen in pro-wrestling history?

I'm sure we'd all say the Benoit tragedy was one of them but what about also World Class Championship Wrestling becoming a shell of its former self, due in large part to the Von Erich tragedies, and being dissolved into a regional Indy Fed??? That really bothers me.

What are your thoughts?
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:13 PM   #2
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:27 PM   #3
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I know this is long, and I don't know if you'll want to read it or if you've seen it already, but it's an report by Chris Masters of the Benoit tragedy. It was on Masters' myspace.

What an eerie day it was...

It started two days prior to the announcement for me. Chris & I had our tights done by Rick Michaels. Rick had given a new pair of trunks I had made to Benoit to give to me. Chris was supposed to give those to me at the show we were going to do in Canada. When I got to the arena I was looking for him so I could grab my trunks. No Benoit!

We were under the impression that his kid was sick. Chris was 100% dedicated to wrestling, so it was odd that he would not come, but understandable if his son was ill. The next night was a pay-per view, and still no Benoit. Very odd. Chris Benoit would never miss a big pay-per view, so we figured it might be serious. Vince decided to put the bell on Morrison in light of Benoit's absence, which I thought was awesome since he was a close friend of mine.

RAW the following day...

The next day at RAW TV there was a buzz going around about some odd text messages Chris had sent to Chavo Guerrero and one of the ECW referees. We were preparing for the funeral of Vince that was set to be the primary focus of the show. We all were asked to bring black suits for the supposed death of Vince McMahon. It was around 2:00pm when they gathered everyone ringside. We had no idea what was going on. Just figured it was a meeting just like any other we have had regarding the product and agents giving a refresher regarding dos & don'ts. The first thing I noticed was Randy Orton break out in tears after speaking with Michael Hayes. From there it was a chain reaction of tears, shock, and disbelieve amongst the whole roster. There were no details given about the cause.

My first reaction was exactly what had happened. I mean how many different scenarios can there be: either home invasion or Chris snapping! To be perfectly honest, I respected the hell out of Chris Benoit for being the man that he was but there was always an intense energy coming from him every time I shook his hand. It made for sometimes short and awkward conversations. Not many others shared my thoughts on the possibility of a double murder/suicide. The rest of the day was a daze for me. I stayed to watch some of the tribute show, and then signed autographs for all the fans waiting outside.

Tuesday Smackdown...

I woke up the next morning to a nightmare I had of Chris stabbing his wife. I laid there and stared at the ceiling, hoping and praying that he wasn't responsible for what had happened. I called up Big Daddy V to find out details and news of what was going on. He asked me if I had watched the news yet. I told him I had just woken up to a horrible nightmare. Big V confirmed that nightmare. He told me double murder/suicide at which point my stomach dropped and my hard was beating so fast...It was an indescribable feeling!

We were set to shoot Smackdown that night. It was tentatively set to be matches in honor of Chris, but I knew in my mind I wanted no part of that. I got a call at noon from the office telling me that Vince was having a meeting with all the boys at 1pm. I showed up to the meeting and in light of us discovering the details of what had happened, Vince stated that we would not be doing a tribute show to Chris. Our focus for that night was to go out there, wrestle, and put smiles of peoples faces because that's what we do. We had to move forward!

A couple of hours later, we were all in catering and the news was on. We all watched as everyone was discussing what had happened and if it was steroids or what the cause was. We were all glued to the TV. Apparently we were all the primary focus on the news because of the unfortunate circumstances.

The big question on a lot of people's minds was did WWE have any knowledge of what had happened when they ran the tribute show the first night. Some say yes, most of us don't know; however, I believe that if Vince or the office was aware of the situation, they wouldn't have ran the show that night! When Vince had the meeting with us earlier that day, he had a completely different energy than the night before on RAW. He was definitely very upset about the whole situation!

People have asked me if I think Chris Benoit should be inducted in the Hall of Fame. There's no denying who he was and how much he contributed to the business, but it's hard to imagine praising someone for their acolytes in the ring when that person has committed such a horrible and incomprehensible act! Lets be honest, it would be very awkward and disturbing for all to watch a tribute show and applaud a man knowing that he had killed his wife and 8yr old child!

I'm wrapping up for today, but all you WrestleZone .com marks are welcome to checkout my myspace for any questions or to check out where I'll be next... www.myspace.com/chrismordetzky

See you all next time,

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Old 02-07-2008, 06:30 PM   #4
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I think Angle has had a pretty big fall from grace
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:33 PM   #5
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Yeh, single handedly carrying the number 2 promotion in America with world-wide exposure is a step-down for anyone.
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:35 PM   #8
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Yeh, single handedly carrying the number 2 promotion in America with world-wide exposure is a step-down for anyone.
I agree with you, Angle is still doing great and relevant things, but you have to acknowledge that people's perceptions of him have changed for the drastic worse.
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:43 PM   #9
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Benoit went from the most respected man in wrestling to the most hated in two days. He fell from grace faster than the XFL. Now that is saying something.
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I was going to make a joke about Road Warrior Hawk jumping from the titantron, but Beniot.
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Owen had literally the biggest fall. But yeah, Benoit...or the Von Erics as a family.
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Old 02-08-2008, 12:14 AM   #23
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It seems like most of us are saying Benoit and a couple of you said other things. Can we think of anything else? Any fans of WCCW here?
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The Ultimate Warrior
The guy that signed onto 4 different big money contracts with 2 of the biggest company on the planet, made a ton of money and left when he was still healthy?

Granted the man’s opinions are insane, but he didn’t have a fall from grace, he was a very smart man who made a lot of money and got out of the business when still healthy, if anything I’d say he’s the exact opposite of a fall from grace
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:56 AM   #32
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Oh and I go for Ricky Morton
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:56 AM   #33
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That made no sense whatsoever.

I know the Navy got you into dick, but it doesn't mean you have to be one.
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Old 02-08-2008, 05:10 AM   #34
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Mike Awesome is up there.
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:13 AM   #35
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Being from Québec I would say that it was pretty sad when Dino Bravo got shot.
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:18 AM   #36
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That made no sense whatsoever.

I know the Navy got you into dick, but it doesn't mean you have to be one.

Wait... if the Navy gets you into dick, and you were in the Navy...
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:19 AM   #37
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Also, I have to side with Benoit, Luger, or Jake.
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Old 02-08-2008, 06:19 AM   #38
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Mike Awesome is a much smaller fall, not because he didn't fall any lower than the other guys, but because he had a much lower place to fall from...
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:39 AM   #39
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Re: Ultimate Warrior
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The guy that signed onto 4 different big money contracts with 2 of the biggest company on the planet, made a ton of money and left when he was still healthy?
And each comeback he made meant a little bit less than the last one. The only reason he walked away while he was still healthy is because no fucker would book him anymore.

I'm sure Vince would love to have him on board as one of his sporadic-appearance Legends nowadays, but Warrior would probably demand $1m per booking or something preposterous.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:43 AM   #40
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Re: Ultimate Warrior


And each comeback he made meant a little bit less than the last one. The only reason he walked away while he was still healthy is because no fucker would book him anymore.

I'm sure Vince would love to have him on board as one of his sporadic-appearance Legends nowadays, but Warrior would probably demand $1m per booking or something preposterous.
Trust me, he was still getting offers that he turned down, he was smart enough with money to set himself up for life.

The guy is insane, but wise with dough
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