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CM Punk 19 42.22%
RVD 24 53.33%
Draw 2 4.44%
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:24 PM   #1
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I'm bringing this back. Steve Corino has failed to defend his title (that sounds familiar,) so this will begin again, fresh start.

Remember that there is no set criteria as to what makes one better better than the other. It can be based on in ring work, promos, who has the total package, or just personal preference. What ever.

Gonna add a new feature though, any wrestler who gets five consecutive wins will go into an all star list and will be retired.

So with out further adieu, todays two competitors:



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Should be hot. Only three days to vote.

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Old 02-11-2008, 03:28 PM   #2
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RVD right now, but Punk will only get better.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:31 PM   #3
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I personally say Punk. While RVD has the more impressive move set Punk has the two things RVD always lacked, good psychology and the ability to work the stick.
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I personally say Punk. While RVD has the more impressive move set Punk has the two things RVD always lacked, good psychology and the ability to work the stick.
What are you trying to say, that RVD just did his spots, popped up, looked to the crowd and pointed to himself?
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:35 PM   #5
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I wanted to vote Punk, but for some reason when it came to the clicking, I clicked RVD. I used to mark for him super hard. I remember being at InVasion at the Gund Arena and not a lot of people there even knew who he was before the show. I was talking him up big to anybody that would listen, and he and Jeff Hardy delivered that night.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:36 PM   #6
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I wanted to vote Punk, but for some reason when it came to the clicking, I clicked RVD. I used to mark for him super hard. I remember being at InVasion at the Gund Arena and not a lot of people there even knew who he was before the show. I was talking him up big to anybody that would listen, and he and Jeff Hardy delivered that night.
That was one of his last fantastic matches.
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That was one of his last fantastic matches.
I was in the 8th row.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:35 PM   #8
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Also For over half of RVDs career his matches were formulaic to the point you could wear a blind fold and still see the spots coming.
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Old 02-11-2008, 03:46 PM   #9
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C.M.Punk. I have faith in him. WWE never wanted to make RVD a huge star, it was the fans who made him. Even after winning the WWE title and the ECW title, he was locked in mid card hell. For the record his title defense against Edge was a pretty good one.
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:07 PM   #10
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emphasis on the "popped up" part.
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:10 PM   #11
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #12
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #13
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:24 PM   #14
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RVD in ECW remains one of my favorite characters of all time. He was just so fresh at the time, and I was decidedly younger and more easily impressed, but he'll always have a place in my heart. Him and cruiserweight champion Chris Jericho. Nothing against Punk. He's all right. He's even kind of good. I'm just waiting to see him involved in some higher profile stuff, I guess.
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:34 PM   #15
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RVD in ECW remains one of my favorite characters of all time. He was just so fresh at the time, and I was decidedly younger and more easily impressed, but he'll always have a place in my heart. Him and cruiserweight champion Chris Jericho. Nothing against Punk. He's all right. He's even kind of good. I'm just waiting to see him involved in some higher profile stuff, I guess.
I loved RVD in ECW. He was amazing, his timing was impeccable and his spots were the definition of innovation. But thats only half of his career. His WWE run was as bland as one could get, and for that he looses a lot of points for me.

Punk (like RVD,) has impressed me since the first time I aw him. Unlike RVD it's not innovation that wows me, it's his ability to connect to the audience that impresses me. His matches are top notch don't get me wrong (though admittedly they have gotten more mediocre since going to the WWE,) but he's not at that upper echelon. Now his promos on a good day are better than anyones and on a bad day they're still better than the average Joe. But it always comes down to his psychology for me. His moves have purpose and he doesn't loose himself in a match. That counts for a lot in my book.
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:36 PM   #16
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Punk's got a lot more upward potential than RVD ever did. Van Dam was pretty damn impressive in his time (though you can honestly credit some of his best matches to Jerry Lynn), and was definitely a breath of fresh air in ECW. Trouble is he's all spots and no actual mat game, so his matches get way too repetitive.

Punk is a much more solid worker, and can deliver much better promos (RVD's One Night Stand shoot notwithstanding).
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:53 PM   #17
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RVD's kind of got legend status with me. That is, I will have a tendency to look back at him and filter out the shit. Anyone looks better through rose coloured glasses, but I'm not going to hide an inherent bias. I like RVD a lot. Even watered-down, limited moves, LOL IM SO STONED BUT NOT REALLY RVD in the WWE was still the goods, and people were still into him long after they probably should have lost interest in him.

RVD's got staying power, no matter how badly he's been used at points, or how many times he does something stupid and gets caught. Even if he's not the best on the stick, or the best technical wrestler, or whatever.

That and I fucking hate that little weasel CM Punk.
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RVD's kind of got legend status with me. That is, I will have a tendency to look back at him and filter out the shit. Anyone looks better through rose coloured glasses, but I'm not going to hide an inherent bias. I like RVD a lot. Even watered-down, limited moves, LOL IM SO STONED BUT NOT REALLY RVD in the WWE was still the goods, and people were still into him long after they probably should have lost interest in him.

RVD's got staying power, no matter how badly he's been used at points, or how many times he does something stupid and gets caught. Even if he's not the best on the stick, or the best technical wrestler, or whatever.

That and I fucking hate that little weasel CM Punk.
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:12 PM   #19
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RVD is pulling away with this one.
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:17 PM   #20
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:26 PM   #21
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I missed out on both of their best stuff (ECW and ROH), so all I really have to go on is their stuff in the WWE. And like Destor said, I just find it easier to feel connected to Punk. And as silly as it sounds, I just think his moveset is cooler.

Also, the fact that the first time I heard his name I thought "OMG, I LYK PUNK MEWZIC! HEEZE GRATE!" has nothing to do with it.
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:41 PM   #22
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I like RVD better, simply because pot heads > straight edge...I guess.
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Your logic never ceases to dumbfound me, BDC.
See the thing is I just try to come up with the dumbest things to say on the spot...usually trying to figure out how to then make sure the convesre to what I just said is also retarded that way no one can argue against me.
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When I saw this poll, I thought it would be an easy one. Then I thought about it and it really is a tough choice. Being privileged to have seen there ROH and ECW work respectively is what is making this a hard choice for me.

When I got into ECW years back I was drawn to RVD right away. The look he had, and his style of offense was very likable. So innovative in every way possible. Was a true pioneer for his company.

Then one day I came on here years back and noticed someone mention the name CM Punk. Intrigued by the name i did my research and found that he worked for ROH. After watching a lot of his work, I knew this guy was going to be a STAR one day on the mainstream. Working a crowd great, very good ring psychology, as well as the "IT" factor.

Now for there times in the E...Well Van Dam was ALWAYS stuck in mid card hell. They never really captured what he really could have been as a main event main stay. Even when he won the title, I marked out hardcore, but there was still a part in me mad that he didn't even win it clean. Another contributing factor is his style was extremely slowed down which did hurt him a little, but he adapted well enough to still be one of the most exciting guys in the ring.

Then as for Punk in the E....When he came in preaching the MMA style, after a few of his matches I mentioned to a friend he is a Joe/KENTA hybrid. nothing wrong with it but I do miss his ROH ring work. Reguardless, Punk is going to be a much bigger star for the E then Van Dam was I believe. Punk is the Total Package. I can't wait for the day when the realize that got all the merch they need out of Punk as a face, and turn him heel. the day he turns he will become Main Event.

the choice is STILL a tough one....I go draw
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I read it, Heros Welcome. I read it.
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:05 PM   #28
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Actually you voted a draw.
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I know, I edited what I said. I just couldn't choose one.
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Yeah I figured this would be tough for some people.
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I mean even though Punk is my favorite wrestler right now, I can't say he is better than Van Dam. For me, behind HBK, Austin and Jericho..RVD is my fav all time. So I took the cop out route.
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:20 PM   #32
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Considering rvds been out of action for a while, at this moment you have to go with punk.
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Considering rvds been out of action for a while, at this moment you have to go with punk.
If thats your perogative, then go ahead and vote for Punk, but personally I'm not looking at it as a right now thing. I'm looking at it encompassing their whole careers, but again, there's no wrong way to vote. If you want to go by "the now" go ahead.
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For my money RVD had the potential to be the next HBK when he first started out, but he was stale for FAR too many years.

I can't see Punk being the next anything, I see Punk being the first Punk.

Still I expected WAY more draws than we have right now.
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:22 PM   #35
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Well if were going overall illd say draw if were specifically talking about wrestling. I have to say i like rvd more than punk, in terms of who i find more entertaining though.
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Well if were going overall illd say draw if were specifically talking about wrestling.
again for me the term "wrestler" encompases the total package, talking/working/etc. But judge it by whatever you choose.
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Ah i missed that, just i noticed an extra green dot on my rep bar as you can see there!
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