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Old 02-18-2008, 11:07 PM   #1
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So Ken Kennedy was Champion?
It was just drawn to my attention that earlier the announcers said that every Money in the Bank Winner went on to win the championship. So remind me when Kennedy was a World champion?

Yeah yeah, I know...Pointing out continuity errors in WWE is like choking a kid with Fragile X, but still...

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Old 02-18-2008, 11:19 PM   #2
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He was champion of the IWC, for about 2 months.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:25 PM   #3
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Well, since edge won the case, and won the title, its almost true
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:28 PM   #4
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Yeah, remember when Kennedy beat Trips for the belt? It was the same day S.D. Jones beat Hogan.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:13 AM   #6
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Edge won last year's MITB, not Kennedy. He must have since he's unbeaten at Wrestlemania.
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JR is horrible and needs to retire. Sorry to those who still think he is "the man."
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Old 02-19-2008, 11:11 AM   #8
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We've been saying that for the last five years. J.R will always be around. Like Hulk Hogan.
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JR is horrible and needs to retire. Sorry to those who still think he is "the man."
To be fair, a large amount of what he says is fed from Vince or someone backstage. Some things, especially like this, I think would come from someone feeding him the lines.

Move mis-calls and such are all him, though.
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If Kenedy ever happens to win a MIB match, I'd be impressed. It's pretty clear Hardy will wind up winning this year, however.
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If Kenedy ever happens to win a MIB match, I'd be impressed. It's pretty clear Hardy will wind up winning this year, however.
Uh... He won last year...
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Well, since edge won the case, and won the title, its almost true
Yeah, the technicality is "the MITB cotnract has always been cashed in to win the title."

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Edge won last year's MITB, not Kennedy. He must have since he's unbeaten at Wrestlemania.
Edge has never been defeated at Wrestlemania, he simply failed to win last year. He was not personally defeated.
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We've been saying that for the last five years. J.R will always be around. Like Hulk Hogan.
Unfortunately, he still has his defenders.
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:13 PM   #14
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If Kenedy ever happens to win a MIB match, I'd be impressed. It's pretty clear Hardy will wind up winning this year, however.
You mean, if he wins another, or what?
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oh...yeah, I wasn't aware he ever won one. This is just another testament to just how much I pay attention sometimes.

Sorry about that.
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He won, he got injured, Edge beat him in a match, he won the briefcase, Kennedy got better sooner than expected, he came back, tested positive for drugs, left, came back.

Ironically, they STILL could have used that MitB shot on him. They kneejerked and slapped it on a guy who they can barely maintain heat for.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:58 PM   #17
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I don't know why Kennedy had to lose the MITB anyways because of his injury. I know he said on RAW before the injury that he was gonna cash it in at WM.
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Val Venis was robbed by Kennedy, he should be going to MITB
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Val Venis was robbed by Kennedy, he should be going to MITB
LOL, I seriously thought Venis was some random, nameless jobber before I realized it was him.
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We've been saying that for the last five years. J.R will always be around. Like my rash from the one night in Tijuana .
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Yeah, the technicality is "the MITB cotnract has always been cashed in to win the title."



Edge has never been defeated at Wrestlemania, he simply failed to win last year. He was not personally defeated.
I'm not totally sure how serious you are, but if he didn't win he lost. He was defeated in the way that the object of the match was to get the breifcase first and someone did it before he did. WWE can say he wasn't pinned and he didn't submit and really they can say whatever they want, but in all seriousness it wasn't a tie or anything.
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I don't know why Kennedy had to lose the MITB anyways because of his injury. I know he said on RAW before the injury that he was gonna cash it in at WM.
I think the reason they shifted the MITB title shot was because The Undertaker was World Heavyweight Champion at the time, and then he became injured. I think news of The Undertaker's injury came first, because I remember thinking Mr. Kennedy might win the World Heavyweight Title from him, or something.

Edge winning the shot was entirely so they could have him win the World Heavyweight Title, I believe.

Also, I sincerely doubt that the plan was ever to have Kennedy challenge for a World Title at WrestleMania. I think he was saying that so he could use the shot sooner than expected "surprise" us, and then act as a heel Champion heading into WrestleMania, if anything.
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I'm not totally sure how serious you are, but if he didn't win he lost. He was defeated in the way that the object of the match was to get the breifcase first and someone did it before he did. WWE can say he wasn't pinned and he didn't submit and really they can say whatever they want, but in all seriousness it wasn't a tie or anything.
Exactly. To my understanding, there are three outcomes to a match: Win, loss or draw. Mr. Kennedy won the match, so his record at WrestleMania looks like 1-0-0. CM Punk lost the match, so his record would look something like 0-1-0. Edge also lost the match, as he didn't win, and he didn't draw, so his record would be 5-1-0.

They can say that Edge has never had a fall made against him at WrestleMania, but when you think about it, if that means anything, then he's only actually gotten two falls to his name at WrestleMania: once when he defeated Booker T at WrestleMania X-8, and at WrestleMania 22 when he pinned Mick Foley. Are two wins really that impressive?

The second best winning streak at WrestleMania, to this date, I believe, is Rob Van Dam, who still remains undefeated. I think he only has like 4 wins so far, but he has no losses (unless you count losing to Val Venis and Lance Storm on Heat a loss).
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There's also Cherry and Domino on SmackDOWN!, but I guess J.R. doesn't watch that.
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LOL, I seriously thought Venis was some random, nameless jobber before I realized it was him.

So did i. then i recognised his face and thought 'why the fuck didnt he get an entrance?'
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Val pretty much is a jobber (although he has a name), but it would have made sense to give him an entrance for a Money in the Bank Qualifier. You know, so it actually looks like they wouldn't mind him winning, creating the illusion of a stacked playing field?

Mr. Kennedy also should have won that match with the Kenton Bomb, to send a message to Jeff Hardy.
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When the case was cashed in it lead to a title victory making what JR said true.
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Yeah, but I think J.R. said the winner of the Money in the Bank MATCH has won the title every time, which isn't true, but really it's just a matter of semantics and another reason for people on the internet to bitch about the WWE.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:46 PM   #30
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Yeah, but I think J.R. said the winner of the Money in the Bank MATCH has won the title every time, which isn't true, but really it's just a matter of semantics and another reason for people on the internet to bitch about the WWE.
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FTR during the Kennedy match JR actually elaborted on Kenndy winning the case but loosing the Money in the Bank later to Edge. Which he did. You know, cause the case is the actual money in the bank, Kennedy won a match for it at Mania and then later lost it. And when it was cashed in Edge DID win the title with the Money in the Bank.

JR was totally accurate. But whatever.
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It is a minor point, Destor, and it can be traced to some form of truth, but don't you think the flagship commentator should get his shit straight? Everyone makes mistakes, and JR undoubtedly has a great mind for the business, but he is just a shitty commentator these days.
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I think his shit was straight.
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FTR during the Kennedy match JR actually elaborted on Kenndy winning the case but loosing the Money in the Bank later to Edge. Which he did. You know, cause the case is the actual money in the bank, Kennedy won a match for it at Mania and then later lost it. And when it was cashed in Edge DID win the title with the Money in the Bank.

JR was totally accurate. But whatever.
Not totally. JR originally said that everyone who has won a Money in the Bank Ladder Match has gone on to be a World Champion. He was probably fed that line, or he got fed the truth and he misheard it, and the message got twisted, but to my understanding, what JR implied would have meant Kennedy used the shot successfully.

He then apparently did correct himself in the second MITB qualifier, but that was probably fed to him, as well. The briefcase was cashed in successfully, but the MITB Ladder Match winner was not successful in doing so.
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This is the dumbest argument ever; gotta be honest. I'll just say you're right and go about my buisness.
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Also, it's a stupid point to make in the first place. A MITB winner should win the title with their shot. It is under their circumstances, and a wrestler with half a brain could pick a time where the Champion is exhausted, beat him around some more, then cash in the shot. Faces tend to actually declare a match ahead of time with their's, so it becomes a little murkier then, but the MITB, in theory, is a "win one World Title" pass to anyone with a brain.
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It is pretty stupid, but doubt it is the stupidest. Arguing over what would be the stupidest would be pretty fucking stupid, for example.
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The original post in this thread wasn't so much about J.R. as it was about continuing continuity issues in the WWE, wasn't it?

Actually, now that I re-read it, J.R. wasn't even mentioned at all in the original post. You're reaching here, Noid.
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The original post was more a point of amusement, to boot.
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That's good. The entire WWE should be a point of amusement. Plus one, J.R.
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