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Old 05-14-2008, 11:57 PM   #1
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Anyone notice that WWE dosent like ppl usin similar finishers?
I was thinkin about this after watchin an ACTUAL Sandman match back in ECW. I'm not talkin about him canning the Zombie or Nacho Libre but an old match between him and Raven where he dose the rope walk with a beer in one hand and Ravens arm in the other. In the same match he puts a ladder on Raven's chest and goes to the top rope and dose a Senton onto the ladder and Raven. I wondered why he never did anything near this in ECW in Sci fi but also if Vice dosent like wrestlers doin "similar finishers" to others. I remember Sean O'Hare also did a "Seanton bomb" also but he never went to the top rope in his short WWE career either. Is it that Vince dosent like wrestlers to do the same finisher besides the chokeslam or Power bomb or chokebomb?
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:09 AM   #2
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Maybe because ECW on Sci-Fi is a watered down shitbox? And that it's nowhere near what it was and will never be "extreme" again? You think that has something to do with it?
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:19 AM   #3
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:19 AM   #4
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Half of WWE's roster is using the flatliner as a finisher.
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Half of WWE's roster is using the flatliner as a finisher.
This replaces the trend of half the roster using the Roll of the Dice...
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:27 AM   #7
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A finishing move is a form of identity for the Superstars. They all deserve to be related to individually.
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Half of WWE's roster is using the flatliner as a finisher.
If Dorkchop wasn't right (In theory, if not in exact terms), Thrilla might be on to something.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:44 AM   #8
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:04 AM   #9
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Man, after Kennys post, not before.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:03 AM   #10
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Man, after Kennys post, not before.
Kenny is dead, i stabbed him in the juggulor the other night out on the streets, bitch wouldn't pay me the money he owes from selling himself for sex
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:49 AM   #11
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Sean O'Haire's senton was cool as well, he got sent to OVW.

'You can't work the WWE way son'

'But...you took all my good moves!'
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:59 AM   #12
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Twist of fate = RKO

But yeah, they do not like people to share moves, why would they? It makes big finishes impossible.

Why do you think 80's moves arent finishers anymore? Because if everyone uses a sleeper, its no different than a clothesline. Look at what people think of Khali's chop......does anyone talk shit about Steamboat liek that?
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:27 AM   #13
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:06 PM   #14
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KK, not to single you out or anything, but you have been batting for naught in this thread.

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Duh?
Duh to guys using different moves? It is becoming more and more common for a wrestler to be slapped with a random generic move and have it passed off as a finisher. The biggest offences now are flatliners, overdrives, neckbreakers, DDTs and generic suplexes to end matches on Heat.

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If Dorkchop wasn't right (In theory, if not in exact terms), Thrilla might be on to something.
So because Dorkchop was right in theory, Thrilla can't be right in theory? He was spot-on, finishers deserve to be related to a wrestler in a way that helps define and identify them.

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I dunno. When you look at the number of midcard or ME level guys who have had some variation of the Stunner...
Um, hardly any guys have ever used a Stunner. Occasionally guys jawbreaker out of a move, but that really isn't a stunner. Eugene used to do it, and I guess Mr. Kennedy's Neckbreaker finish was sort of a "Reverse Stunner" homage to Stone Cold Steve Austin. The Miz's Reality Check is also apparently becoming more of a Reverse Stunner. I think they are more identifiable as "neckbreakers" though. Most people wouldn't have drawn a Stone Cold Stunner connection.

If you are referring to the ace crusher, then the Stunner is really a version of that, and not vice versa. The RKO and Twist of Fate are both variations of this. I guess the reverse swinging neckbreaker could be classified as that, too.

"Stunner" just seems like one of the worst ways to classify the generic finisher convention, given that no one besides Eugene has used an actual "Stunner" since Stone Cold Steve Austin. Bizarre.
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:11 PM   #15
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Mr. Kennedy has been one of the biggest victims of generic finishers since his arrival in the WWE. He's been given the Neckbreaker, DDT and Flatliner (albeit with a NEW leg sweep!) as finishers. Poor guy. It's really sad that his finishers from the independent scene and down in OVW (The Green Bay Plunge and Kenton Bomb) are infinitely more interesting. I suppose his Reverse Figure Four type move is pretty cool, though. Give it a name like "The Kennedy Curse" and it's good to go.

I hate that MVP has been saddled with The Playmaker when he has several cool moves he could use. They toyed letting him use the Emerald Frosion once, but he hasn't really tried anything else since then. Why not the Malicious Intent or TTB Crossface? The Crossface could be used to get quite a bit of a reaction out of the crowd. Wait, Triple H is using it now.

I'd like to see some classic finishers whipped out of the shed for some lower card guys, to help identify them a little more. For example, now that Kurt Angle is out of the WWE, I don't see why someone can't do the Olympic Slam to finish opponents. Charlie Haas used to do one on the independent circuit, apparently, called "Total Haastility." Pair that with the Haas of Pain, and RC would have two of the most interesting finishers out there.
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:44 AM   #16
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They dont like people using similar moves but they damn sure dont mind stealing moves from anybody else...Like Christopher Daniels & Kanyon just for example
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:58 AM   #17
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A finishing move is a form of identity for the Superstars. They all deserve to be related to individually.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:04 PM   #18
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The ones who have similar finishers are usually jobbers or are on ECW, so....
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:34 PM   #19
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I dunno. When you look at the number of midcard or ME level guys who have had some variation of the Stunner...
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Well it depends on how far we want to go when we say "similar". There are only so many base moves.

A Stunner isn't exactly a Cutter. A rolling variation of a cutter is different enough not to call it similar.

A Sharpshooter is different enough from a Boston Crab not to call it similar.

I mean, if we lump everything together, we have only a few moves.

Vertical Suplex - includes snap, reverse, etc.
DDT - Reverse/Curtain Call/Implant/Etc
Running Strikes - Lariats, Spears
Kicks - Yeah
About four-eight variations of ground submissions...

I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, because a lot of guys do use the EXACT same move, but it's pretty limited what they have to choose from (especially with WWE's safety issues) and the WWE has a very large roster.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:08 PM   #21
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That kind of undercuts the notion that only jobbers and ECW guys use similar finishers.

Of course, you've gone the opposite logical extreme to reflect this in an incredibly simplified fashion.
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Taker, Kane, and Bigshow all use chokeslams as finishers. Kane and Taker's are similar, and that is half the point, Show alway fell with his, making his personal. Kahli used a double handed version. So techinically they are the same base, they aren't similar.

Batista and Taker both us a powerbomb as a finish, but Bats uses a sit out while Taker's is a floating/drop power bomb.

Orton, and the Hardies both use Ace cutter type finishers. But the Hardies use a twisting verison and Orton as a one handed jumping version, so they are different enoug.

Edge, Cody Rhodes, and Tommy Dreamer all us DDT finishers...and to be honest they look the same to me.

Shawn Micheals, the Rock, Chris Bensomething, Natillie Niedhart, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and Dean Malinko all used the sharpshooter (only Dean never stepped through, but otherwise it is the same move.)

I'm not sure what I'm trying to prove, but there are only so many moves that occasionally they are going to be shared.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:11 PM   #23
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I wouldn't say that a Texas Cloverleaf is the same as a Sharpshooter.

Also, who uses the "Flatliner" in today's WWE? Kennedy? Who else?
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I wouldn't say that a Texas Cloverleaf is the same as a Sharpshooter.

Also, who uses the "Flatliner" in today's WWE? Kennedy? Who else?
Right now Kennedy, Shelton Benjamin and Carlito (sometimes) use it but Edge, Orlando Jordan, Hassan, Raven and Scott Steiner all used this move.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:55 PM   #25
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Lol? Shelton? I've never seen him use it. And Carlito uses the Back Cracker. Maybe it's just that I haven't seen either of these to win on a consistent basis lately, but I've never seen either of them use the Flatliner.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:02 PM   #26
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Yeah, Carlito's finisher is definitely The Back Cracker. Shelton's is that jumping bulldog thing. Edge's is a spear. None of those other guys work for the WWE, and even when they did, Hassan still had the camel clutch, Raven had a DDT, and Scott Steiner had the Steiner Recliner.
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I have no idea what Orlando Jordan did because I didn't really watch Smackdown at the time.
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Carlito call it the cool shot, he used as a power move but not a finisher.
Shelton call it the Paydirt, he use it since he is on ECW
Edge called it the Downward Spiral, used it as a finisher until he start using the Edgecution.
Don't remember how Jordan called it, maybe the black hole or something like that.
Raven, Hassan and Steiner all used it as pre-finisher.
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Eh, it's better for Kennedy to use it as the "Mic Check." The "Kenton" is too "Hardy" of a move for him to get over with.
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Eh, it's better for Kennedy to use it as the "Mic Check." The "Kenton" is too "Hardy" of a move for him to get over with.
The Green Bay Plunge is pretty nice, though.
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That is true. Would like to see him with a "show" move ala the People's Elbow or Five Knuckle Shuffle.
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He could stand over his opponent, reach his hand up (like he does when the mic drops), and then drop an elbow.
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He could stand over his opponent, reach his hand up (like he does when the mic drops), and then drop an elbow.
I could see him doing the whole, reaching up for the mic, and then doing a Banzai Drop onto someone face....

Actually, now that I think about it....

Let's just go with the Elbow.
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