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Old 03-16-2004, 10:26 AM   #1
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I don't get it
"Benoit can't cut a promo" okay sure, he's not the best on the mic but I'm paying attention to what he says. Since when is HHH awe-inspiring on the mic? The crowd falls asleep for him as much as they do anyone else, so shutup with the "Benoit has no mic skills" excuse already.

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Old 03-16-2004, 10:28 AM   #2
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Triple H has a good intimidating voice.
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:29 AM   #3
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Yeah, I'm afraid to hear him speak so I either a) fall asleep or b) change the channel.
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:31 AM   #4
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Bret Hart wasn't exactly the best promo-cutter of all times either. Compare Benoit to him, it's not hard to do. Benoit will do fine.
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Old 03-16-2004, 10:50 AM   #6
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Isn't it funny how half the people who talk about this shit (Like Benoit being unable to cut a promo) are also Jeff Hardy fans or the like?
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:00 AM   #7
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Isn't it funny how half the people who talk about this shit (Like Benoit being unable to cut a promo) are also Jeff Hardy fans or the like?
What's wrong with being a Jeff Hardy fan? What's your point?
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:28 AM   #8
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What's wrong with being a Jeff Hardy fan? What's your point?
a) He cannot cut a promo

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a) He cannot cut a promo

b) He is a horrible worker
You say that he is a horrible worker, yet you probably marked out when he did a lot of his crazy spots. I don't think his work was bad. Not everyone can work like Benoit and Guerrero, but you can't really compare Hardy to those guys because of differing styles. Matt isn't much better as far as workrate goes.
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:41 AM   #10
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You say that he is a horrible worker, yet you probably marked out when he did a lot of his crazy spots. I don't think his work was bad. Not everyone can work like Benoit and Guerrero, but you can't really compare Hardy to those guys because of differing styles. Matt isn't much better as far as workrate goes.
However, I can compare Jeff to other cruiserweights such as Mysterio, Noble, Helms, Dragon and tons of others throughout the world, and I can tell you they are 125534324x better. Sure I marked out for him diving off of a ladder a few times, but I marked out more for better shit in those TLC matches.
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However, I can compare Jeff to other cruiserweights such as Mysterio, Noble, Helms, Dragon and tons of others throughout the world, and I can tell you they are 125534324x better. Sure I marked out for him diving off of a ladder a few times, but I marked out more for better shit in those TLC matches.
Jeff doesn't have experience wrestling cruiserweights, at least not as much as the cruiserweights you've mentioned. Those guys mostly wrestle other cruiserweights. Jeff had to wrestle bigger guys most of his career.
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Old 03-16-2004, 11:48 AM   #13
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Whenever he came out to the ring against said bigger guys, he threw horrible punches, fly around like a prissy little boy and get beaten up, wow...that's entertainment
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Old 03-16-2004, 01:01 PM   #14
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Benoit has gotten better on the mic recently, he's not that bad anymore.
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Old 03-16-2004, 01:09 PM   #16
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:23 PM   #17
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Benoit has good enough mic work to be the World Heavyweight Champion. However, he doesn't have good enough mic work to be up there with the greatest wrestlers of all time. In the period of time that I've been watching wrestling thwere have been about 10 guys that are what I would call upper teir sports entertainers:

Ric Flair
Sting
Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
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Bret Hart
Steve Austin
The Rock
Kurt Angle

All of these wrestlers could cut a mean promo. And that's why they were (and in Angle's case still is) the greats. Sure Chris Benoit could wrestle a better match then half of these guys but he can't cut a promo like them, which will keep him out of this top area. The only person on the list that he might have better mic work then is Sting, however Sting has a natural charisma that is only parallelled by Hulk Hogan. Those two didn't need to open there mouth and you still rooted for them. Benoit will never be mistaken for having that natural chrisma, and he can't cut killer promos. This is not to say he doesn't deserve the belt, cause he does. Also I'd say he is one of the better champions the WWE have ever had, but just not among the greats,

By the way, I really enjoy Triple H's promos he plays a great character. And even the Rock's promo's got dull after awhile. If you listen to his promo's back when he was in DX he was gold on the mic,

And I liked Jeff Hardy just because he was a crazy son of a bitch that would jump off of high places, would I say that he's better the Benoit or even his brother Matt, hell no. But sometimes it's nice to have a suicidal guy that will do anything you say...
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:26 PM   #18
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Oh, so Mick Foley?
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Oh, so Mick Foley?
What about him?
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Old 03-16-2004, 03:29 PM   #20
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The suicidal guy who'll do anything you say. See, all Hardy was, was a Mick foley who could do a flip, but couldn't wrestle nor cut a promo. Mick could do all those things, take huge bumps every night and last wayyyyyyyy longer than Hardy. Thusly, Hardy sucks.
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The suicidal guy who'll do anything you say. See, all Hardy was, was a Mick foley who could do a flip, but couldn't wrestle nor cut a promo. Mick could do all those things, take huge bumps every night and last wayyyyyyyy longer than Hardy. Thusly, Hardy sucks.
Okay I was just asking. Cause I didn't know if you meant Mic Foley in the suicidal sence, or you were wondering why I didn't put him among the greatest champions of all time. If your trying to convince me that we're better off having Foley rather than Jeff Hardy, then your preaching to the choir man. Jeff on his best day couldn't pull off a story line like Mick. It's just I don't think Mick will be falling off cages or getting nailed with barbed wire anymore. In conclusion...

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Benoit has good enough mic work to be the World Heavyweight Champion. However, he doesn't have good enough mic work to be up there with the greatest wrestlers of all time. In the period of time that I've been watching wrestling thwere have been about 10 guys that are what I would call upper teir sports entertainers:

Ric Flair
Sting
Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
Harley Race
Shawn Michaels
Bret Hart
Steve Austin
The Rock
Kurt Angle

All of these wrestlers could cut a mean promo. And that's why they were (and in Angle's case still is) the greats. Sure Chris Benoit could wrestle a better match then half of these guys but he can't cut a promo like them, which will keep him out of this top area. The only person on the list that he might have better mic work then is Sting, however Sting has a natural charisma that is only parallelled by Hulk Hogan. Those two didn't need to open there mouth and you still rooted for them. Benoit will never be mistaken for having that natural chrisma, and he can't cut killer promos. This is not to say he doesn't deserve the belt, cause he does. Also I'd say he is one of the better champions the WWE have ever had, but just not among the greats,

By the way, I really enjoy Triple H's promos he plays a great character. And even the Rock's promo's got dull after awhile. If you listen to his promo's back when he was in DX he was gold on the mic,

And I liked Jeff Hardy just because he was a crazy son of a bitch that would jump off of high places, would I say that he's better the Benoit or even his brother Matt, hell no. But sometimes it's nice to have a suicidal guy that will do anything you say...

And you know who Austin learned how to cut a promo from? The Man, Brian Pillman.
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Neither will Jeff. He will be starting up a boy band called "Hardy Boyz 2 Men" while doing insane amounts of LSD.
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What's wrong with being a Jeff Hardy fan? What's your point?
The guy can't cut a promo for shit.

I mean, with all these people bitching, you'd think they wouldn't bitch about something their favorite guys can't do themselves. That's like a Hogan fan complaining about Triple H using steroid...
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You say that he is a horrible worker, yet you probably marked out when he did a lot of his crazy spots. I don't think his work was bad. Not everyone can work like Benoit and Guerrero, but you can't really compare Hardy to those guys because of differing styles. Matt isn't much better as far as workrate goes.
Wow. He did crazy spots.

And then he'd make us fall asleep in between when he tried to actually "wrestle."
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Jeff doesn't have experience wrestling cruiserweights, at least not as much as the cruiserweights you've mentioned. Those guys mostly wrestle other cruiserweights. Jeff had to wrestle bigger guys most of his career.
Jeff doesn't wrestle. He falls from high places. A quadraplegic could do the same thing...All he'd need is a push and a deathwish. Jeff's wrestling style isn't exciting. Someone like Rey Mysterio is.
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Okay I was just asking. Cause I didn't know if you meant Mic Foley in the suicidal sence, or you were wondering why I didn't put him among the greatest champions of all time. If your trying to convince me that we're better off having Foley rather than Jeff Hardy, then your preaching to the choir man. Jeff on his best day couldn't pull off a story line like Mick. It's just I don't think Mick will be falling off cages or getting nailed with barbed wire anymore. In conclusion...

Foley > Jeff Hardy
Unfortunately, Foley spawned Jeff Hardy, by creating a "market" and a bloodlust amongst fans to see really sick bumps.

The difference is, Mick could cut promos like a motherfucker and could hold his own in the ring. No, he's no Benoit, but he doesn't have to be.
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Old 03-16-2004, 04:43 PM   #30
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I think this whole "Benoit can't cut a promo" thing is vastly overused. Frankly, if he's given his lines ahead of time and works on them, his promos can actually be good. Granted, he'll probably never be in, say, Kurt Angle's league or The Rock's league, but he's really not horrible. I remember in 2001, his promo skills were actually nice because he was able to get his lines ahead of time. He can't ad lib, of course, but frankly, when you're that good of a wrestle, you don't have to.

Benoit could easily thrive in a Bret Hart type gimmick, acting as a fighting champ.
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Old 03-22-2004, 09:06 PM   #31
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Bret Hart wasn't exactly the best promo-cutter of all times either. Compare Benoit to him, it's not hard to do. Benoit will do fine.
Hart could cut a decent promo
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Old 03-23-2004, 08:39 PM   #32
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Why are these so-called 'wrestling fans' crying over whether a wrestler can cut a promo or not?Just to finish this f'ing debate now, benoit is one of the best wrestlers around today/ a fighting champ which is what weve all been saying wwe should have, now we get these illiterate punks saying benoit doesn't deserve to be champ cos he can't cut a decent promo?Funny...
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:19 PM   #33
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Why are these so-called 'wrestling fans' crying over whether a wrestler can cut a promo or not?Just to finish this f'ing debate now, benoit is one of the best wrestlers around today/ a fighting champ which is what weve all been saying wwe should have, now we get these illiterate punks saying benoit doesn't deserve to be champ cos he can't cut a decent promo?Funny...
To state the obvious, this isn't just about wrestling. Hence the phrase "Sports Entertainment." You think Hogan was on top for his wrestling skills? Did Austin make it big for his luchadore maneuvers?

Now, to break the second bit of news: Wrestling isn't the domain of the thespian. It's a trailer park, testosterone-fueled soap opera. It is to high-brow TV what "The Amazing Spider-Man" is to the great American novel.

While I know the expectation is that the internet has suddenly made everyone more intelligent, to be ranting over the literary skills of wrestling fans is pretty pointless.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:26 PM   #34
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bah, as a wrestling fan, I've always much rather have seen someone beat the hell out of someone convincingly (ie. Benoit wrestling) than some lamewad (ie. Hogan) cut a promo. Though Hogan was kinda cool when I was 5, HHH right now isn't a worthy champion because he isn't a top notch worker like he used to be, his look has gone to shit and he can not cut a promo. Even if he could, he'd still suck in my eyes, because unless I orgasm over your promos and your voice has some link to my cock, I'd rather watch a good match then a bunch of talk. Managers are for talking, wrestlers are for wrestling.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:28 PM   #35
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Though I think promos are useful JUST before a match. Like the interviews right before the ring entrance. The shit's key. However, coming down to the ring only to cut a promo is the most annoying shit to exist.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:28 PM   #36
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Bret Hart was great at cutting promos. Nowadays Triple H is bland and boring, and I don't even know what the hell he's talking about anymore. Randy Orton and John Cena are great at cutting promos. Cena's great at getting the crowd involved and Randy Orton is one of the best in WWE at getting the fans to hate him. Props to Mick Foley for putting him over. Too bad Undertaker couldn't do the same for Cena.

Jeff Hardy couldn't cut a promo for sh*t, that's why he never got any HUGE pushes. Good to see Matt coming around in the promo department, man does he need to go back to Smackdown!
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:32 PM   #37
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Cena's are cool because they're usually short and just before a match.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:43 PM   #38
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Triple H has a good intimidating voice.
I am-ah, sorry-ah, you are wrong-ah. Triple-ah H-ah is-ah a-ah SHITTY-ah Promo-ah cutter-ah
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:51 PM   #39
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but seriously he has that ...something, when he's yelling/serious/angry sure it may not be the best, but it's good in my opinion.
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Old 03-23-2004, 11:55 PM   #40
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Triple H is one of the best promo men in the business. His promos tell a good story.

Benoit can only wrestle
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