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Old 05-15-2008, 09:59 PM   #1
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Lightbulb IMO, i think Jeff Hardy's title win build-up is nearing that of Chris Benoit's...
Everyone knew that Benoit was going to be champ (hopefully) ONE DAY. The question was when and where. When he won his title at WM XX, that was one of those moments that was like, "historical" or something. Hell, even made people CRY!

Now i'm not saying that Jeff is not as respected as Benoit was, i'm not saying he is, but you could just feel that buzz when Hardy was going for the title. If he didn't win at the RR, he was definitely going to win it at WM (not confirmed, but a hunch if you will). And when/if he does, i think it will be another one of those moments that everyone will remember and will talk about as wrestling fans. Kind of like when Bret Hart won his at Wrestlemania X. I think everybody will "empty the locker room" and congrats him. If not, then just his brother like Eddie did Benoit.

Like i said, you may like him, hate him, not even know who he is (yea right), but imo, he was the most over guy chasing the title while Orton was champ and he had this "rockstar" presence when he was main-eventing.

If he wins the title back, he needs to drop it to someone up and coming or needs it like Carlito, Burke, Punk, etc. I think any of those, including more, would make great champs. (Punk as a heel would be a classic run imo)

Also, when/if he wins it, it probably won't be a lengthy one, probably like Benoit's, but still...Because for some reason, i think his title reign will be GREAT only if he's got one in there thats a ladder/TLC match. I could kind of see him and HBK go at it for the title in like an Iron Man match or 2/3 falls. That would be AWESOME

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Old 05-15-2008, 10:03 PM   #2
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I don't think getting his second strike on the Wellness Policy is good booking, frankly...
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:20 PM   #3
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Jeff Hardy will never be anything higher than ECW champion.

If WWE ever puts the belt on him in the current anti-drug climate they are stupid as hell.

Now, in 4-8 years when it's all died down? Maybe. But I don't see him holding anything worth a shit for at least 4 years.
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Old 05-15-2008, 10:24 PM   #4
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Of course, that's assuming he'll stay clean, so no, he probably won't.
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I mean lets be honest, the WWE knew and still knows to this day that Jeff has dealt with those issues. Hell, Orton can trash a hotel room and get another run at the title i think anything is possible.

Ya'll can be "technical" all you want, but lets talk about who Vince McMahon is as a BUSINESS man lol. The guy is TOO over to not get a shot in the near future. Unless they start putting guys like Burke, Edge, or whoever on RAW as main eventers, they will have to work with what they have. We can only do HHH/Orton/Cena/JBL so many times
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Could he have a title SHOT? Sure, as many as they want to give him. But DON'T give him the title.

You know what? Fuck it, DO give him the title, let him run with it, fail a drug test and get fired. Let them deal with that publicity nightmare and teach them a lesson.

Yeah, Vince is a business man, but giving someone as flaky and as untrustworthy as Hardy the ball is a ridiculously stupid and bad business move at the moment and will be until the Wellness shit dies down.

Do you think they really want their poster boy to be the poster boy for how the wellness policy is a failure as well?
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He has a 24 hour title reign in the post.

Or he will get pushed for the title, win it, and then Punk comes out and beats him. Winning the title to the loudest pop ever experienced within professional wrestling.
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You know what? Fuck it, DO give him the title, let him run with it, fail a drug test and get fired. Let them deal with that publicity nightmare and teach them a lesson.
Jeff fails recreational drug use tests (to my knowledge). The media only cares about sexy drugs like steroids and to a slightly less extent pain killers. You want proof that nobody cares?

Rob Van Dam.

During the height of media attention of drug usage in WWE I don't recall CNN, MSNBC or even Fox News commenting on the fact that just months before the Benoit incident Rob Van Dam (who was BOTH WWE and ECW Champ at the time) was not only caught with, but pulled over, on camera, stoned WHILE driving with ANOTHER WWE superstar. You know who would give a flying shit if Jeff failed a test while he had the belt? Same guys who cared about RVD, and that's TMZ, and even there they only care enough for a 30 second snippit.

You could have Jeff Hardy light a joint in the middle of the ring holding the WWE Title while knocking back round after round of hard liquor until he vomits in the first row of the crowd and they only thing that would ever be reported on is the fan who sold WWE Champion's vomit on ebay.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:40 AM   #9
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I gotta agree with Xero about Jeff Hardy being unreliable. This has bothered me for years that Jeff has always been preferred over Matt, to me personally Matt seems more well-rounded that Jeff. Matt is better on the mic. I think he's better in the ring, but people prefer Jeff coz of his big bumps. That said Matt can take some pretty sick bumps too y'know.

But Jeff Hardy right now is too unreliable to be given a World Title. Where as Matt has never "Dropped the ball", Jeff just can't stay off the drugs.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:42 AM   #10
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Jeff fails recreational drug use tests (to my knowledge). The media only cares about sexy drugs like steroids and to a slightly less extent pain killers. You want proof that nobody cares?

Rob Van Dam.

During the height of media attention of drug usage in WWE I don't recall CNN, MSNBC or even Fox News commenting on the fact that just months before the Benoit incident Rob Van Dam (who was BOTH WWE and ECW Champ at the time) was not only caught with, but pulled over, on camera, stoned WHILE driving with ANOTHER WWE superstar. You know who would give a flying shit if Jeff failed a test while he had the belt? Same guys who cared about RVD, and that's TMZ, and even there they only care enough for a 30 second snippit.

You could have Jeff Hardy light a joint in the middle of the ring holding the WWE Title while wearing a hat and knocking back round after round of hard liquor until he vomits in the first row of the crowd and they only thing that would ever be reported on is the fan who sold WWE Champion's vomit on ebay.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:29 AM   #12
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The only thing similiar from Beniot to Hardy is that they both were thought to be set for greatness, and they just took years to get to the title scene.

Honestly, there isnt a person who saw the Hardy's from 1998-2001 and didnt think Jeff was goign to be a World champion some day. Same thing for Benoit in WCW (During his TV title period, people saw he was going to be the IT guy)

But both took alot longer to get to the main event than it should have, and both Guys kind of dissapointed.

Yeah Benoit was champ, but he was more of a Upper Carder in his WWE career than a true main event player.

Hardy has yet to get his moment, and I dont know if he ever will, because he keeps pissing his chances away. before the suspension, I really thought he would be champ by Summerslam, and be the biggest face the company has had since The Rock/Stoen Cold left....The guy was just fucking hut and on fire, and over as hell.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:09 AM   #13
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So in a year, he'll be texting Matt that the dealers are outside and fed.
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Could he have a title SHOT? Sure, as many as they want to give him. But DON'T give him the title.

You know what? Fuck it, DO give him the title, let him run with it, fail a drug test and get fired. Let them deal with that publicity nightmare and teach them a lesson.

Yeah, Vince is a business man, but giving someone as flaky and as untrustworthy as Hardy the ball is a ridiculously stupid and bad business move at the moment and will be until the Wellness shit dies down.

Do you think they really want their poster boy to be the poster boy for how the wellness policy is a failure as well?
If it happened, I don't think it would be THAT big of a deal. RVD's was only because the cops caught him, and Benoit's was because, well, the obvious reasons. But Jeff Hardy isn't exactly your usual steroid freak, so as long as him being busted for doing whatever happened backstage in the WWE (which it has the past few times), I doubt it would get out to the press that much.
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If it happened, I don't think it would be THAT big of a deal. RVD's was only because the cops caught him, and Benoit's was because, well, the obvious reasons. But Jeff Hardy isn't exactly your usual steroid freak, so as long as him being busted for doing whatever happened backstage in the WWE (which it has the past few times), I doubt it would get out to the press that much.
And if it got out to the press at ALL, they'd have to suspend him. You know why? WWE is a public fucking company. If they fail to act on their own drug policy, they can be in 31 flavors of shit in a heartbeat, for defrauding investors and the like.

Since a WWE champ failing a drug test WOULD be news that would affect investors, it would find its way out after the fact, because business news is still news. So whether it was picked up by the news the first time around or the second time around, the end result would be just about the same. Maybe not as big as Chris Benoit, but then, Jeff would only be failing a piss test, not roided out of his mind and killing his family.

And honestly, that's a very poor cost-benefit analysis. Even if it never hits the press proper, such a likelihood (And Jeff is likely to fail) is likely to hurt Vince and his company on the business end of things, leaving them in a position to be nailed financially and possibly liable if they are not forthcoming.

The fans love Jeff. The kids love Jeff. He's big, but he's a bad investment.
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I disagree. Jeff gets to hold the belt, kiddies, teen girls, and Shadow all get to scream their little heads off. Jeff finally gets to sit atop the mountain. And IF he fails (which I assume we're all assuming is a forgone conclusion), WWE gets to have Jeff drop the belt the next night. Swerve for marks, WWE comes across as no nonsense about their wellness plan for the business folk. The only problem is I'm not sure, but I think there might be a 3 strikes rule, and I don't know if Jeff is at 1 or 2 right now. If it's 2, than yeah let's keep gold off him, but if it's only one, that's not too big a risk.
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Jeff fails recreational drug use tests (to my knowledge). The media only cares about sexy drugs like steroids and to a slightly less extent pain killers. You want proof that nobody cares?

Rob Van Dam.

During the height of media attention of drug usage in WWE I don't recall CNN, MSNBC or even Fox News commenting on the fact that just months before the Benoit incident Rob Van Dam (who was BOTH WWE and ECW Champ at the time) was not only caught with, but pulled over, on camera, stoned WHILE driving with ANOTHER WWE superstar. You know who would give a flying shit if Jeff failed a test while he had the belt? Same guys who cared about RVD, and that's TMZ, and even there they only care enough for a 30 second snippit.

You could have Jeff Hardy light a joint in the middle of the ring holding the WWE Title while knocking back round after round of hard liquor until he vomits in the first row of the crowd and they only thing that would ever be reported on is the fan who sold WWE Champion's vomit on ebay.
They don't suspend for marijuana, only fine. We've assumed (though it's never been officially announced) that he got suspended for pain killers or something harder.

Van Dam also had Vicodin and some other pills on him, which I assume is why he got the suspension, aside from the public embarrassment.
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Jeff is on strike two.

And the damage done will outshine any screaming....Sorry. Kiddies screaming don't keep stock prices high.
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They don't suspend for marijuana, only fine. We've assumed (though it's never been officially announced) that he got suspended for pain killers or something harder.

Yeah, but you're not ignoring logic like you're supposed to.
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Well given the info I just learned in the last two posts, strike 2 and not being suspended for pot...yeah I'm on board for not letting Jeff hold the gold.
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Jeff is done, two violations in 2 years, one in the middle of an IC run, one in the middle of a title chase, he's a fucking retard and doesn't deserve to be given so many chances.

I like Jeff's matches, but can't say I have any respect for him anymore. I can't see Vince putting the top title on a liability like Jeff.
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Could he have a title SHOT? Sure, as many as they want to give him. But DON'T give him the title.

You know what? Fuck it, DO give him the title, let him run with it, fail a drug test and get fired. Let them deal with that publicity nightmare and teach them a lesson.

Yeah, Vince is a business man, but giving someone as flaky and as untrustworthy as Hardy the ball is a ridiculously stupid and bad business move at the moment and will be until the Wellness shit dies down.

Do you think they really want their poster boy to be the poster boy for how the wellness policy is a failure as well?
WWE only really faces a pubilcity nightmare when one of their wrestlers kills two people and himself. Other than that WWE doesn't get much publicity at all.

However, I get what you're saying, it's stupid to give the title to a guy that has a history of doing drugs and getting busted. Jeff Hardy in 2008 is what Rob Van Dam was in 2006 except RVD had already won the title when he got busted.
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I dunno about "done." Apparently after his house burned down and he got suspended he really made a change in attitude toward his WWE career. Hopefully he'll follow through on that. I mean, they let him squash Umaga in like 3 minutes on RAW, so that's a good sign that WWE hasn't given up on him yet.

Jeff is one of the most entertaining wrestlers on the roster right now and I don't think it's fair for us to deny him the idea of taking it to the top of the mountain because of a couple mistakes.
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I dunno about "done." Apparently after his house burned down and he got suspended he really made a change in attitude toward his WWE career. Hopefully he'll follow through on that. I mean, they let him squash Umaga in like 3 minutes on RAW, so that's a good sign that WWE hasn't given up on him yet.

Jeff is one of the most entertaining wrestlers on the roster right now and I don't think it's fair for us to deny him the idea of taking it to the top of the mountain because of a couple mistakes.
LOL. He's been a changed man several times. Always same end results.

Also, it's not a "couple of mistakes." That's kinda like saying Iraq is a "slight problem."
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Jeff is done, two violations in 2 years, one in the middle of an IC run, one in the middle of a title chase, he's a fucking retard and doesn't deserve to be given so many chances.

I like Jeff's matches, but can't say I have any respect for him anymore. I can't see Vince putting the top title on a liability like Jeff.
Eddie Guerrero had been fired twice by Vince, and wasn't felt of as a liability at the time he got the title. I hazard a guess that what Eddie had 'done' was a lot harder than Jeff. Vince has no issue giving liabilities the top prize.

Give it a year, Jeff will be right back up main eventing. Perhaps even Mania next year.
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Eddie Guerrero had been fired twice by Vince, and wasn't felt of as a liability at the time he got the title. I hazard a guess that what Eddie had 'done' was a lot harder than Jeff. Vince has no issue giving liabilities the top prize.

Give it a year, Jeff will be right back up main eventing. Perhaps even Mania next year.
Which of course is kinda moot, since Eddie was on top before he died.

The major thing that's made JEff a liability is something that came directly from Eddie's death.

On the flipside, you're also right. Vince is an idiot, which makes me wonder how he can stay on top with so many bad decisions
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What made me laugh was that Jeff Hardy wasn't even allowed to declare intentions to main event on RAW. He was going to say "Intercontinental Title." I think Jeff Hardy should be moved to ECW, or something. People genuinely care about him, so it would serve the purpose of trying to get fans to carry over, as well as "punishing" Jeff.
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On the flipside, you're also right. Vince is an idiot, which makes me wonder how he can stay on top with so many bad decisions
WWE is on the top of a one company business. If they had some proper competition I think Vince would fail. Or take WWE to where it was in 98-00.
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I dunno about "done." Apparently after his house burned down and he got suspended he really made a change in attitude toward his WWE career. Hopefully he'll follow through on that. I mean, they let him squash Umaga in like 3 minutes on RAW, so that's a good sign that WWE hasn't given up on him yet.

Jeff is one of the most entertaining wrestlers on the roster right now and I don't think it's fair for us to deny him the idea of taking it to the top of the mountain because of a couple mistakes.
I agree, Eddie's title run was built off the fact that he had fought of his 'demons'. Or it was at least a precursor.

I really would like to see Jeff as champion. He is one of the few attitude era guys still going, it would be a fresh champion, and he IS over.

I can't see him getting the title soon, but if he can stay clean, I thik he could get a short run next year.

And as much as I hate to say this its "make or break" time for hardy. If he stays clean he gets the title, if he doesn't he's fired. In fact, that sounds like a reasonably good gimmick for him on his way to the top.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:07 PM   #31
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WWE is on the top of a one company business. If they had some proper competition I think Vince would fail. Or take WWE to where it was in 98-00.
I don't think so, actually. Vince has built an empire, and while theoretically all empires fall, he's beyond the normal day to day shit because he's just gotten that big.

WWE is like Wal-Mart of the wrestlingworld at this point. They can afford to crush the small guy and endure the competitors. Look at how many retailers have gone out of business. That's the Wal-Mart Effect, and WWE's up on that level. They have a huge ammount of wealth at their dosposal, and they can screw the pooch hard, competition or not.
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I disagree. Jeff gets to hold the belt, kiddies, teen girls, and Shadow all get to scream their little heads off. Jeff finally gets to sit atop the mountain. And IF he fails (which I assume we're all assuming is a forgone conclusion), WWE gets to have Jeff drop the belt the next night. Swerve for marks, WWE comes across as no nonsense about their wellness plan for the business folk. The only problem is I'm not sure, but I think there might be a 3 strikes rule, and I don't know if Jeff is at 1 or 2 right now. If it's 2, than yeah let's keep gold off him, but if it's only one, that's not too big a risk.
His piss tests would be under the name of Jimmy Wang Yang or some Developmental guy if he became champion...
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The WWE should just give Jeff Hardy the Belt for as long as he can stay on top (fan popularity/drug test failure). Jeff Hardy is MONEY RIGHT NOW.

Even if Jeff does fail another test the WWE would have already cashed in on his World title run and popularity. Plus, show to the world that their drug testing policy is legit when they have to fire him for a violation.

Win-Win
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Sucks for Jeff Hardy when he realizes he's lost his job due to drugs but that's life. Happens everyday.
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The WWE should just give Jeff Hardy the Belt for as long as he can stay on top (fan popularity/drug test failure). Jeff Hardy is MONEY RIGHT NOW.

Even if Jeff does fail another test the WWE would have already cashed in on his World title run and popularity. Plus, show to the world that their drug testing policy is legit when they have to fire him for a violation.

Win-Win
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