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Old 08-05-2008, 07:29 AM   #1
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At Summerslam in the tag match for the I.C. Title and Womens Title, Santino Marella and Beth Phoenix win with Phoenix pinning Mickie James. Santino celebrates by holding the I.C. Title only for Beth Phoenix to declare that she is the new I.C. Champion and Santino thus becomes the new Womens Champion.
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:58 AM   #2
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LOL If that happens.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:06 AM   #3
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I think you are about dead on

Only way for it go.
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:09 PM   #4
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Ooh, Glamazon as I/C champ would = awesomeness... and Marella as Women's champ would = hilariousity...

I vote for it to happen.
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:19 PM   #5
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Ooh, Glamazon as I/C champ would = awesomeness... and Marella as Women's champ would = hilariousity...

I vote for it to happen.
Ditto. I love Beth Phoenix...her being IC champ would make it even better.
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Old 08-05-2008, 01:01 PM   #6
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Old 08-05-2008, 01:13 PM   #7
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I figured Beth would just keep both titles.
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Old 08-05-2008, 01:19 PM   #8
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Did I just hear two people saying Beth Phoenix as IC Champ would be a good thing?

I mean yeah, the angle with Santino would be hilarious but Beth Phoenix as IC Champ... come on.
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Old 08-05-2008, 01:49 PM   #9
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Did I just hear two people saying Beth Phoenix as IC Champ would be a good thing?

I mean yeah, the angle with Santino would be hilarious but Beth Phoenix as IC Champ... come on.
Yeah, this is pretty much word for word what I was gonna write
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:10 PM   #10
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I would like to see it where Santino pins Mickie James, so Santino thinks he's IC Champion. However, Adamle randomly pops up and says that since Santino pinned Mickie James, that Santino is the new Women's Champion and Beth is the new IC Champion.

Santino hates it as first, but then embraces it and renames the Women's Championship to the WWE Inter-gender Championship ala Andy Kaufman.
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:11 PM   #11
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:50 PM   #12
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Its funny that you said that because I told my cousin the same thing right after the match was announced.

I think it would pure awesomeness if it happened.
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Old 08-05-2008, 06:12 PM   #13
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I would like to see it where Santino pins Mickie James, so Santino thinks he's IC Champion. However, Adamle randomly pops up and says that since Santino pinned Mickie James, that Santino is the new Women's Champion and Beth is the new IC Champion.

Santino hates it as first, but then embraces it and renames the Women's Championship to the WWE Inter-gender Championship ala Andy Kaufman.
THAT would be amazing.

I only wish that did not mean that Beth Phoenix would have to be IC Champ for it to happen.

Santino getting hard fought victories over divas week in and week out followed by massive over-celebrating before ultimately losing it back to Mickie James and then whining about it for weeks would be comedic gold.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:13 PM   #14
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I love Beth Phoenix as much as the next guy, but her as IC champ would suck on so many levels. Yeah, it may provide some comic relief between her and Santino, but aside from that, how would this be any different than Chyna winning the IC belt?
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:16 PM   #15
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The IC title is already a joke. They may as well smear it with some more shit, they missed a few spots.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:01 PM   #16
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The IC title has only changed hands twice since September of last year. The belt could be worse off. Having Beth win it certainly wouldn't help.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:57 PM   #17
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I quite like the IC title atm, keep it on Kofi for now. What happened to his feud with Burchill? WWE's going down the shitter again now they've got a GM for Raw.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:03 PM   #18
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I would like to see it where Santino pins Mickie James, so Santino thinks he's IC Champion. However, Adamle randomly pops up and says that since Santino pinned Mickie James, that Santino is the new Women's Champion and Beth is the new IC Champion.

Santino hates it as first, but then embraces it and renames the Women's Championship to the WWE Inter-gender Championship ala Andy Kaufman.
Kaufman post.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:22 PM   #19
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I never actually considered that idea. I could very easily see the WWE doing that. Personally, it wouldn't bother me. Beth Phoenix is a great wrestler, no matter where you draw the line, and her being IC Champion probably wouldn't damage the title's image anymore than Santino Marella being IC Champion.

I don't know what I would like more, though, Beth Phoenix keeping both belts for herself, or Santino actually holding the Women's Championship.
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I never actually considered that idea. I could very easily see the WWE doing that. Personally, it wouldn't bother me. Beth Phoenix is a great wrestler, no matter where you draw the line, and her being IC Champion probably wouldn't damage the title's image anymore than Santino Marella being IC Champion.

I don't know what I would like more, though, Beth Phoenix keeping both belts for herself, or Santino actually holding the Women's Championship.
Beth taking it is actually the lesser of the two shit stains on the belt.
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:33 PM   #21
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The gimmicky shit has been done before a billion times. I could easily believe Beth Phoenix winning the IC title, but in a more legitimate manner than this gimmick match. I don't know if this is some half hearted attempt at trying to spice things up, but I don't think the way they take this is going to turn out good.
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Either way, it's gonna be entertaining. Unless they fuck it up.

Which they will.
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Seriously people. Beth Phoenix... as Intercontinental champion.

I would feel ridiculous trying to explain why people wanting this is ridiculous.
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^ Agreed. It shouldn't happen, santino as womens champ however..LOL.
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Seriously people. Beth Phoenix... as Intercontinental champion.

I would feel ridiculous trying to explain why people wanting this is ridiculous.
What's exactly wrong with it? I've seen Beth Phoenix press two men above her head at the same time, and hit them with a Death Valley Driver. She's a good wrestling talent. If you were going to make any woman a credible opponent for male workers on the WWE roster, Beth Phoenix is the best candidate running. She's 150lbs or so, which puts her at the same weight as Spike Dudley, and just a few points behind, say, Rey Mysterio. It'd be like a cruiserweight getting a run with the IC Title.

I'd also like to see Awesome Kong get a chance to mix it up with the guys in TNA. Although, Kong is a lot bigger than Phoenix.

But yeah, to be honest, Santino Marella as IC Champion and Beth Phoenix as Women's Champion are probably the best ways to go. Or having Kofi Kingston and Mickie James retain.

With all the couples going around on RAW, at the moment, I wonder if it would truly be ridiculous to introduce some sort of "Intergender Tag Team Championship."
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:15 PM   #26
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It's just lame and unrealistic. The logic of "If you're going to make any woman a credible opponent for male workers on the roster..." doesn't strengthen the argument. Chyna was a credible opponent for SOME of the male workers. That doesn't make her a title reign any less of a joke.

If you would feel good about Beth Phoenix holding a title that has the history of the IC title, then you might as well make your case for her being world champ. She's still not realistically in the league of the guys who should hold the second-tier title. It's just a ridiculous thought.

And for everyone who says "The title has already been shit on enough, why not use it for comedic purposes and have Beth win it"... congratulations, you are on par with the WWE writers most of you talk so badly about. You're basically saying "instead of trying to save the title, just shit on it some more." That's retarded and anyone who goes along that logic can never honestly claim lazy writing on the part of WWE again.
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And let me just tack on my own personal thought that the IC title should be used to build someone toward main event status, not as a prop in a storyline.
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So, #1-wwf-fan, were you completely against Rey Mysterio as World Heavyweight Champion? I know it isn't the same thing, but Rey is a tiny guy and is barely credible against most of the upper card WHC contenders. Yet he was loved as the champion.

With Phoenix, she's as credible as Rey is against the male roster, and it's "only" the I/C belt. Christ, if she has it for a month or so, what harm will it do, really?

This is wrestling. It's not real. The titles aren't real, in the sense that they are not awarded for any real accomplishment other than being pushed. Get a grip, it's entertainment.
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I wasn't really for Rey being champion but he was more credible than Beth Phoenix. Rey had years of legitimacy against male wrestlers as well.

And if we're going by the logic of it not mattering because the titles are not awarded for anything other than being pushed, then Cena was an amazing champion. On of the greatest ever. The man barely ever lost a match.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:34 PM   #30
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The fans (the ones that WWE cater to) loved Cena. So yes, Cena was successful as a champion, many times over. Sure, WWE had been pushing Cena down our throats to the point where people were starting to boo him, but they've been going easy on shoving him in our faces.

All I'm saying is that it's entertaiment and sometimes we take it too seriously, and get angry when things happen that offend our high class tastes.

Phoenix as an I/C champ for a month or so would be no worse than Rey being WHC for nearly 4 months, or Hogan winning the WCW belt with the Fingerpoke of Doom.

More horrible things have happened to the belts.
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And this is my problem.

People try to say "It's okay because it would be no worse than..." and that is a HORRIBLE argument. You should be trying to improve on things, not saying "Well, we've fucked up this much so why not?"

And yes it is entertainment... some of us are entertained in short spurts. Others are entertained by seeing two guys fight for a title that has prestige. I take it seriously in the sense that it would be bad entertainment. Just like when people get pissed about the little nuances in a movie and go off on long rants. There's a reason wrestling message boards exists.

Bottom line, I'm not gonna rant and throw a fit if Beth wins the IC Title but at the same time, it would be a horrible step down for the second-tier title and a terrible decision.
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And this is my problem.

People try to say "It's okay because it would be no worse than..." and that is a HORRIBLE argument. You should be trying to improve on things, not saying "Well, we've fucked up this much so why not?"

And yes it is entertainment... some of us are entertained in short spurts. Others are entertained by seeing two guys fight for a title that has prestige. I take it seriously in the sense that it would be bad entertainment. Just like when people get pissed about the little nuances in a movie and go off on long rants. There's a reason wrestling message boards exists.

Bottom line, I'm not gonna rant and throw a fit if Beth wins the IC Title but at the same time, it would be a horrible step down for the second-tier title and a terrible decision.

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