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Old 11-11-2008, 03:43 PM   #1
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Who has gotten better with age?
Besides the obvious Undetaker which wrestlers do you think have gotten better now that they are older?

Nash- Even though he has lost alot of his mobility after so many knee surguries I think Nash has gotten better over the years and is better now than he was 10 years ago

Big Show- He's trying now, to add a few new moves to his matches. He started using that jab and knockout combo. He still uses that cobra clutch backbreaker so he's at least trying to change up his routine.

I wouldnt mind seeing Sting start doing some diffrent moves when he wrestles now. I mean I was watching a match from 10 years ago with the Wolfpack Sting body slamming The Giant and comparing how he looked then, he looks alot smaller now. I dont think he could let him get away with something like that nowadays
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Old 11-12-2008, 01:31 AM   #4
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DDP was awesome up until his last match and seemed to just keep getting better. And that's not a bad thing.
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HBK, HHH, DDP. Nash, Matt, Jeff.... Pretty much a lot of people whose names can be said with four or less letters.
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I don't think you can count the Hardy's.

Obviously they are better now then they were, but they were so young they had no choice but to get better.
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What do you mean by better? Do you mean a better story teller because most of these guys can physically do less than when they started.
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Why does Nash keep popping up? Nash is awful, and has been since around 1996.
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What do you mean by better? Do you mean a better story teller because most of these guys can physically do less than when they started.
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Why does Nash keep popping up? Nash is awful, and has been since around 1996.

Basically who may have be like meh, when you first saw them and now have changed up there matches so your not just doing the same three moves over and over again. Undertaker is a good example of this, he was just a kinda pound and grab kinda guy when he first came out. He slowly added in some boxing jabs and strikes and started to do the triangle choke and dragon sleeper. Matt Hardy is another one who has encorperated alot more to is matches durring the V1 days (even though I hated the gimmick). He went from just being a high flyer, to adding in more grapping moves (side effect, splash mountian bomb, flash back, etc)



As for Nash, comparing him now to when he first came out he still moves well in the ring after so many knee surguries.
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DDP was awesome up until his last match and seemed to just keep getting better. And that's not a bad thing.
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Yeah, Nash got better with age, no doubts. For the people who think he's bad now, watch any match of his from TNA then find a tape from when he was Vinnie Vegas. NO comparison.
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Yeah, Nash got better with age, no doubts. For the people who think he's bad now, watch any match of his from TNA then find a tape from when he was Vinnie Vegas. NO comparison.

Well, let's compare




Like I said before I dont think Sting looks as good now as he dose here, but Nash looks alot better though.
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That isn't hard.

Nash improved in leaps and bounds between 1991 and 1994. He actually had some good matches 1995-1996. Still wasn't bad in WCW 1997-1998. But since then, he's just been too washed up and lazy, by his own admission.
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William Regal, if nothing else because of the personality he shows, and how awesome his hair now is.

I did think of The Hardys, I have to admit. Especially Matt. While they might not be "old," both have really grown as workers. To the point where I think it deserves mention. Matt Hardy is actually a great wrestler now, not just an over one. Jeff Hardy also has a lot more substance to his style now.

Kevin Nash is a fair point, if just for being more entertaining, and taking the time off to rest his body and allow him to seem fresher when he's in a ring these days.

JBL is someone I'd throw out there. He's nowhere near as in good shape as he used to be, but there is a good approach taken with a lot of his matches, and his promos and acting ability shine a lot more. Time in the business has allowed him a chance to show what he can do.

Big Show is one I'd agree with. He's definitely worked on improving, and working towards his strengths.

It wouldn't be me if I didn't point out Val Venis. The man isn't getting any younger, but he's having some of the best matches (from a technical perspective) of his career right now. Well, when he's not injured, I mean. He was a fantastic gimmick back in the day, but I don't know if his ring work really measured up to anything special (despite never being bad). I think as a worker he has really altered and broadened himself.
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What??? Val Venis is having some of the best matches of his career right now???

When???

I don't think I've even seen him wrestle a competitive match in about 4 years. He just gets squashed every time he's on TV. Which is... basically, never.
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When???

I don't think I've even seen him wrestle a competitive match in about 4 years. He just gets squashed every time he's on TV. Which is... basically, never.
I said from a technical perspective. I haven't seen his complete body of work, and I'm sure it's solid, but his stuff on Heat against guys like Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin escapes through the "gimmick" filter, and they actually get to work a really good professional wrestling match. The guy's selling is also fantastic. I'd say that he's had to sell so much that he's gotten so good at it, to be honest.
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I said from a technical perspective. I haven't seen his complete body of work, and I'm sure it's solid, but his stuff on Heat against guys like Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin escapes through the "gimmick" filter, and they actually get to work a really good professional wrestling match. The guy's selling is also fantastic. I'd say that he's had to sell so much that he's gotten so good at it, to be honest.
The part that gets me is this "I haven't seen his complete body of work, and I'm sure it's solid" So you are basing your statement on what you assume, not actaul fact? Now you go on to say he matches against Shelton on heat are good. Shelton hasn't been on Raw for over a year now. So I'm willing to guess that you are saying right now, Val Venis is improving because you last saw a decent heat match with him and Shelton a year ago? Am I right? You are just saying Val Venis because you think he is doing good, and no one else has seen what he does so you are betting no one will argue the fact?
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Venis was a fairly exciting, solid worker from 1998 to around 2001. Nothing he has really done since then has been impressive... even if he has improved from a "technical" perspective (which isn't hard to do, in theory you should improve from a "technical" standpoint each and every time you wrestle a match and learn a little something new, no matter how tenured you are). In fact, how could you possibly tell he has improved when all he ever does is get squashed in rapid fashion?

At what point in the last 4 years have you watched a Val Venis match and honestly thought "wow, this guy has improved so much" as he stares at the lights for another midcarder? I'm not saying that he hasn't, he may well have, but how could you possibly tell?
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Unless you simply mean that he sells better now than he used to...?

Which doesn't account for him having "some of the best matches (from a technical perspective) of his career right now", during a time when he is, for all intents and purposes, inactive.

If his best matches are occurring right now, when he isn't actually having any, then his early stuff must really stink!
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:00 PM   #29
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Heat still exists?
I thought it had ended.

In fact, it apparently ended in May of this year. What this says about the argument, I'll leave to you.
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:49 PM   #30
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I agree with Noid, Val Venis not being at tv, is an improvement.
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Old 11-19-2008, 07:31 AM   #31
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Val was great in the first place. He was one of the few to go through Dory Funks Training camp with Edge when he was brought in. He would be good in the midcard right now, but they aren't going to come up with a decent gimmick for him, and it's obvious he has no desire to dream one up either.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:57 AM   #32
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Val was great in the first place. He was one of the few to go through Dory Funks Training camp with Edge when he was brought in. He would be good in the midcard right now, but they aren't going to come up with a decent gimmick for him, and it's obvious he has no desire to dream one up either.
I still say Val Venis: Ron Paul supporter would be great. Though comedy gimmicks rarely go far.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:08 AM   #33
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I've got to say it - I've never been bored like I have been during Val Venis matches. Outside of 1998, he has zero in-ring charisma.
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Venis was a fairly exciting, solid worker from 1998 to around 2001. Nothing he has really done since then has been impressive... even if he has improved from a "technical" perspective (which isn't hard to do, in theory you should improve from a "technical" standpoint each and every time you wrestle a match and learn a little something new, no matter how tenured you are). In fact, how could you possibly tell he has improved when all he ever does is get squashed in rapid fashion?

At what point in the last 4 years have you watched a Val Venis match and honestly thought "wow, this guy has improved so much" as he stares at the lights for another midcarder? I'm not saying that he hasn't, he may well have, but how could you possibly tell?
OK, first thing's first (not really aimed at you, although you did bring it up) -- I didn't mean right now as of today. I meant now as in this arc of his career. The question was who I thought has gotten better with age. I suggested Val Venis, due to his maturing as a worker.

Did you ever watch Heat? Val Venis was not always "squashed in rapid faction." This is a myth. Venis was more often than not used to exhibit the skills of workers the WWE were trying to showcase or mapping out the abilities of. His matches were almost always better than most of the shit you'd see on RAW (granted, RAW was going through a bit of a slump). I'm not the only one who feels this way. A lot of internet reporters that got stuck reviewing Heat actually found themselves to grow and appreciate the show for it's little gems like that.

Venis is one of the best sellers in the WWE. I'd be worried if he weren't given how often he has needed to put over some guy's offense. But nonetheless, his psychology is fantastic. He might have always had that in him, my point earlier is that I haven't seen it in his earlier work, but it might have been displayed in some of his longer matches. With focus being moved from him and onto younger stars, his role might have just changed to the point where he now gets to show off these talents he always had.

Back in the day it seemed Val's matches were more gimmick, and now they are more wrestling. You'd be surprised how exposing some of his stuff on Heat was.
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:48 PM   #35
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You'd be surprised how exposing some of his stuff on Heat was.
That's why he wore a towel to the ring
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That's why he wore a towel to the ring
I'm surprised Val didn't print the name of some companies on there so he could hold it up and make a few extra bucks.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:59 AM   #37
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If Val is that good at selling and psychology, how come his heat matches were usually done in front of silence.
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Old 12-07-2008, 10:21 AM   #38
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Because of years of the WWE telling their audience that Heat doesn't matter?
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Old 12-07-2008, 02:46 PM   #39
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Of course Heat matters. How else would we heat up our Christmas ham on Christmas morning?

Also, Val Venis does not apply here.
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What do you mean by "get better with age?"

Obviously - a wrestler that is 21 years old (and sticks with wrestling) will be a lot better in a few years. With that being said, almost EVERYONE in the WWE fits that mold (or if they started at a later age...and then got better).

Having said that - I don't think anyone above the age of 35 (who has been wrestling for a LONG time) has gotten better.

-Given the fact that these wrestlers are 'aging' (combined with the extreme physical demands of the sport), it's almost impossible. Guys like Angle, Undertaker, Jericho, HBK, Benoit, Triple H, etc. are all/were great wrestlers, but aren't the wrestlers that they once were. Benoit is dead.
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