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I honestly don't see that big a difference between the Knockouts and the Divas
I've been watching TNA for some time and have been listening to the cliams that the Knockout matches are SOOOO much better than the Divas matches, but after actually watching the matches instead of taking a piss break, the Knockout matches are pretty much the same as the Divas. I don't get all the hype about the Knockouts except for Velvet Sky's hott fucking ass.
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As over as Crystal Pepsi
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So do you think Helms tells people he rocked her like a hurricane?
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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WWE and TNA's womens divs are fairly equal in terms of skill. Ever since Trish, women's wrestling in the big 2 has been fairly decent, and sometimes the best part of the show.
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I am the cheese
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WWE's stuff has picked up in the past 4 months.
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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It really helps when WWE divas like Canidice Michelle are injured so they have to use Mickie James.
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I am the cheese
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SO true.
I will say in defense of the Knockout division vs the WWE Divas the Knockouts get a fair ammount of TV time and get treated with legitimacy where as the Diva matches do feel like the WWE WANT you to take a piss break. |
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I say lets look at it like this...who would be the top 3 performers from TNA and WWE?
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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I rather do top 5, WWE: Mikie James, Beth Phonix, Victoria, Melina, and Nattie Niedhart. If they just condence it to those 5, it would be a nice division.
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TNA has Awesome Kong. That is bonus points right there. She could so easily credibly mix it up with the guys. And not in a stupid Chyna way. I said credibly.
The Knockout Division has stumbled a bit, and the WWE have also gotten better with the treatment of their women (the improvement of nearly all of them has helped, too). That's tightened the gap a lot. Originally, it was also the booking of the Knockouts that was fantastic. Now, apparently Scott D'Amore doesn't have nearly as much control over them as he once did. Wait, is D'Amore even still with the company? I hope so. Some random notes on the ladies: * I'd love to see Mickie James and Victoria get drafted to ECW next year, so that they can work on both shows, and really help all the other girls polish their skills. * Jillian Hall and Katie Lea Burchill are both really talented. It's a shame they're being used as fodder/overlooked. I suppose the women's divisions need fodder, though. * Alicia Fox is actually meant to be really impressive in the ring for a girl who was hired because of her modeling (or whatever) experience. If she works with Finlay, and DJ Gabriel teaches her a thing or two behind the scenes, she could be pretty awesome down the track. * Cheerleader Melissa is under TNA contract. While she serves a great purpose as Raisha Saeed, I'd love to see her do double-duty as a more impactful character. I repeat, Cheerleader Melissa is under fucking TNA contract. That should be more important than it is currently factoring out to be. * TNA should consider hiring Molly Holly to be a credible Knockouts Division representative for the Main Event Mafia. Of course, they'd probably call her "Polly Golly" and then change her name to something they think sounds bad-ass but really isn't (like "Pollygon") but, the wrestling would at least be good. I'd actually consider tolerating the Pollygon name if her finishing move was called "Polly-Gone." |
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No, he quit in August. He said it was to be closer to his son, take care of his school, and a company, but like you said the management had taken away his controll and just shoved off any ideas he offered. Though he said this had nothing to do with his quitting, you have to believe so. At less he and Jeff are still talking, so maybe on day he might come back.
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I agree dude, all of them have vaginas.
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Inno Knows.
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I don't mind just watching Alicia dance
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No, noid read in a dirt sheet that she is the second coming of Wrestling Christ, she has to wrestle.
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Simultaneously, when they're pushing someone I like, they are doing a great job, even if they're also pushing a hoss or talentless hooker and doing a bad job at the same time. |
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Alot of it's in the presentation. Most of TNA's women do a little less hair pulling and catfighting, and a little more actual wrestling moves. I remember watching like, a hardcore match or some shit between chicks in TNA, and my girlfriend was absolutely stunned that they weren't just having an evening gown match or something. WWE definitely has talented women, but they tend to get downplayed as the tits instead of being pushed as legitimate wrestlers in their own right.
Plus, they keep pushing stupid bitches like Candice Michelle. It's really about the booking--TNA's pretty damn retarded most of the time, but they tend to book their women's division like it was made of diamonds and win. WWE tends to book their women like an afterthought--it's just boobies to take up time between the real matches. Which is a shame, because there's at least a handful of divas I'd rather see wrestle a solid, real, non-gimmicky match than alot of the male wrestlers. |
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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Oh bullshit on the hair pulling. Last time I watched TNA, there was more hair pulling from them than WWE.
Also, TNA still has Rhaka Khan, So Cal Val, and Christy Hemme, they are all pretty awful in ring. I think the womens divisions are fairly equal right now. |
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To be fair, they have one everys so often on PPV, but recently it has been straight singles or tag matches, at least on Raw. I never really pay attention to smackdown.
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I thought we were talking a little more generally, but okay. Lately WWE's been seriousing up their women's division (not counting the butterfly belt), and TNA's seems to be losing a little steam in terms of on-air focus. I guess that's evening it out, at least for the last month and a half or so.
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I think it can be said that neither company will properly use their women right. TNA does have more of the actual women wrestlers, but they don't always act like it. The beautiful people can actually wrestle, but maybe aren't allowed to show it all the time.
WWE has gotten better, but still sets themselves back at times. For example Mickie and Khali last night. It annoys me when they take the actual talented wrestlers they do have and pull something like that. That segment should have been left for one of the models turned wrestlers. Even Beth Phoenix doesn't seem to get enough to do based on wrestling. She is most known for being with Santino. But as for comparison, I will give TNA the nod for having more actual wrestlers and usually knowing what to do with them. While WWE has people like Mickie James, Katie Lea, Victoria, Natalya usually just sitting in the background, while the models are usually in the spotlight. |
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It also gives them a bit more of a "unique" quality to their positioning in the divisions. They'd be the only two real female wrestlers from ECW. That allows them to have something to promote about them. Also, while ECW doesn't have any female wrestlers at the moment, maybe they should? Quote:
Jillian Hall is probably around as good as Melina in the ring. Probably a bit better, but not treated anywhere near as seriously. Katie Lea is the real deal for females. I have seen her work, and I am in love with her. Both may be fine where they are at (getting paid lots of money for doing next to nothing besides looking hot), but they could do so much better. Quote:
That being said, I don't see a big problem with believing someone like Finlay when they say a young talent is impressive, as long as you take it as its worth, and specify that it's just something I've hearded. All I meant by my point about Alicia Fox tearing it up in FCW is that you shouldn't be surprised if she turns out to be good. If she turns out to be horrible, well fair enough. It's a non-point you brought up. Also, why is it odd that she hasn't worked any matches on RAW, SmackDown! or ECW? She's been up for like three weeks as a valet to DJ Gabriel. Quote:
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Not everything does need to revolve around the MEM, but I can see them wanting to control every title in the company. If Molly Holly was to return to wrestling, I wonder if the WWE would hire her again because she's not what they typically look for in Divas. TNA may be more interested because of her wrestling skill. |
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I was actaully agreeing, what I have seen of her, she has been decent. She should get to work more often, I was saying TNA is retarded, not you. |
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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Doubt she would. And if the first big if can be jumped (her coming back) she would still probably go with WWE as she already has a good relationship with them.
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![]() They've had those chicks since like 1996. Hell the peak of those eye candy matches was back when Molly was still around. Now they are focusing on the actual wrestling and not Tits and Ass. If Molly came back, I would guarantee she would be right in the Women's Title picture on Raw. |
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EATER OF HOT POCKETS
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TNA has a bit more spread in talent, and their women's division gets more time and better treatment. However, until they stop pushing the Beautiful People and Sharmell so damn hard, and until they stop making Kong look like a bitch to a damn Playboy model, they're not going to be really superior. Again, they have more potential in their talent pool, but I'd rather watch Mickie, Beth, Jillian, Victoria, and Melina than anything they have to offer.
Although, and speaking as a black guy who generally prefers white women, some odd part of me REALLY wants to tap Kong's ass. |
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Cranky Kong
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Also speaking as a black guy who generally prefers white women, Tedious is fucking nuts.
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#35 |
Soundly Defeated Wadding
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Why is that, AT? Is it the contrast that turns you on?
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Cranky Kong
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Yeah, we'll call it that.
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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It's just that black chicks are ugly. Who wants to fuck an ape?
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^ wow
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Wait...I mean, I make all sorts of Nazi/Jew/Nigger cracks regularly, and that's the one that caught your attention?
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Pelvic Sorcerer
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