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Old 12-09-2008, 04:59 PM   #1
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IIIIIIII LLLLOOOOVVVEEEEE....to send Wrestlemania 25 pitch scripts
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In a rather low unclassy move made earlier this week by a former employee of the WWE who was recently released, said person has mailed out the planned script that was to take place at WWE's 25th anniversary of their Superbowl they call Wrestlemania to various "dirt sheet" websites such as ourselves, presumably giving away the storyline on The Undertaker.

It is no secret to who is behind this mess, as former WWE producer Bruce Prichard, best known to WWF fans as "Brother Love"(ironically The Undertakers first manager) was released last week. The ten page script confirmed rumors of Undertakers opponent being Shawn Michaels.

The story behind it will be that Shawn Michaels, along with Undertakers kayfabe brother Kane, has gotten word that Undertaker is planning on returning to Death Valley after Wrestlemania 25(Also confirming rumors of Undertakers 2009 retirement). Kane, feeling that this is his chance to prove himself to the Undertaker, as he has never defeated the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, takes it upon himself to insert himself into the match at Wrestlemania 25. On the other hand, Shawn Michaels who has no opponent for the show, insists that he is the one who should face The Deadman in his last match, citing Ric Flair as an example. This leads to a semi feud between Kane and Shawn Michaels over who gets to face 'Taker at Wrestlemania.

This will eventually lead to a match between the two at No Way Out, with Shawn Michaels prevailing(by cheating, thus starting a small heel run) and facing The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25. In the weeks leading into Wrestlemania 25, Kane will align himself with Shawn Michaels after HBK convinces Kane that he is indeed the better man to "do the job" at Wrestlemania 25.

HBK is set to take advantage of the fact that Kane is the closest thing to The Undertaker and will have Kane tell him of his weaknesses. The script also calls for Kane to play as a bodyguard for HBK, protecting him until Wrestlemania 25 and assisting him to his matches on RAW. Mind games will prevail in classic 'Taker fashion; there is an angle on the March 30th edition of RAW(the last RAW before WM) scripted for Kane to be cremated alive, only to escape in mere seconds with HBK ditching him.

The last two pages on the script is specifically for the match at Wrestlemania 25, with Undertaker prevailing, keeping his streak alive. The finish calls for HBK to viciously assault 'Taker with a steel chair as the referee is laid out, taking advantage of the golden opportunity.

As the referee regains himself(Mike Chioda is scheduled to referee the match) he begins the traditional slow count that is stopped by Kane stepping down on his hands. Kane will then grab HBK and deliver his signature Chokeslam to him and drag his Brother unto him, keeping Undertakers streak alive. Page ten called for Paul Bearer to come out with the urn, announcing to Undertaker that it's time to go back home. As 'Taker regains himself, he will stand face to face with Kane, and do his signature pose, before vanishing into the air. The ending has a lot of different scripts to it on the page, but this is the one we found more relevant. This will lead to a feud with Kane and HBK, leading to a Hell In A Cell match at Backlash, with that being HBK's possible last match.

This is confirmation to the rumors that has been making the rounds on the net as of late. The storyline was to be produced by Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and Vince Mcmahon. We are not to excited to see what action WWE may take against Prichard releasing scripts of planned shows and angles, but it was a very unclassy move made by him and his parties. We here at WON do not condone the actions of Prichard.


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Old 12-09-2008, 05:05 PM   #2
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If this does happen it just shows you how much faith(little though it is) that the WWE has in its younger talent.

God that sickens me.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:07 PM   #3
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Talk about a stretch.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:08 PM   #4
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There are some interesting and stupid things in that script. I like the whole concept of Kane being Shawn Michael's bodyguard, but having them feud beforehand for the opportunity to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania is stupid. "We are going to fight each other for the right to fight some old guy who dresses up as a zombie essentially." That is exactly what has been wrong with WWE for the last three years. They want to get what would be a pretty big match going at their largest show, but they don't want to put in a effort to actually write out a decent storyline for it.
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There are some interesting and stupid things in that script. I like the whole concept of Kane being Shawn Michael's bodyguard, but having them feud beforehand for the opportunity to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania is stupid. "We are going to fight each other for the right to fight some old guy who dresses up as a zombie essentially." That is exactly what has been wrong with WWE for the last three years. They want to get what would be a pretty big match going at their largest show, but they don't want to put in a effort to actually write out a decent storyline for it.
How is that stupid?

Everyone and their brother wants to be the one to end Taker's streak.

HBK wants to do it since he has never faced Taker at Wrestlemania and just came off from retiring Flair a year prior.

Kane, Taker's brother, has never been able to defeat Taker at Mania yet that doesn't stop him from trying again.

It's logical and I could see that happening.

And as for the cremating stuff, well it's the fucking Undertaker. We should expect all of the zany stuff like that by now.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:14 PM   #7
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I think Mr. Prichard sent them Noid's memoirs by mistake.
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I think Mr. Prichard sent them Noid's memoirs by mistake.
Doesn't involve Val, London, of the Bashams.

Now if the script involved Paul London returning and pinning Taker with the SSP at Wrestlemania and then stealing Paul Bearer's urn and melting it down to the old school WWF title, then you would be right.
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I think Mr. Prichard sent them Noid's memoirs by mistake.
KoOS was much, much, much closer to parody.
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Sounds interesting. But I'd rather see something else now that it's all been revealed.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:25 PM   #11
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I like it too. It seems like a fitting send-off for Taker.

Although we probably won't see it now. Fuckin' Prichard.
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Old 12-09-2008, 05:29 PM   #12
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It's a meaningless streak that means nothing because it is meaningless. If they didn't go out of their way to hype it every chance they get no one would even notice or care. What is the incentive for beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania? The ego boost? Ok, that works for a character like, say Chris Jericho ten years ago who was all about shallow achievements. But for it to suddenly be the ambition of Michaels and Kane who have been established stars for a while, it just makes the characters seem one dimensional. "We have both beaten The Undertaker before, but that doesn't count because we have never beaten him at this particular show, which is something that sounds good to make a couple of months of storylines over." Alright, sure.

It's like with that Michaels/Flair match earlier this year, where Michaels "retired" Flair. The only reason why he retired Flair was because of some stupid storyline where Flair had to win all of his matches in order to stay a wrestler, which was all an antic for that match to take place in the first place. The WWE "force feeds" these storylines and their motives because they sound good, but they don't seem to have the patience to actually put effort into making them seem as a natural development.

I'm all for a Michaels vs. Undertaker match, with the two big Wrestlemania stars going at it. But when the whole motive of the match is to want to suddenly end some over-rated excuse to create a match, then that is poor writing. It needs more substance than just that one aspect.
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It's a meaningless streak that means nothing because it is meaningless. If they didn't go out of their way to hype it every chance they get no one would even notice or care. What is the incentive for beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania? The ego boost? Ok, that works for a character like, say Chris Jericho ten years ago who was all about shallow achievements. But for it to suddenly be the ambition of Michaels and Kane who have been established stars for a while, it just makes the characters seem one dimensional. "We have both beaten The Undertaker before, but that doesn't count because we have never beaten him at this particular show, which is something that sounds good to make a couple of months of storylines over." Alright, sure.

It's like with that Michaels/Flair match earlier this year, where Michaels "retired" Flair. The only reason why he retired Flair was because of some stupid storyline where Flair had to win all of his matches in order to stay a wrestler, which was all an antic for that match to take place in the first place. The WWE "force feeds" these storylines and their motives because they sound good, but they don't seem to have the patience to actually put effort into making them seem as a natural development.

I'm all for a Michaels vs. Undertaker match, with the two big Wrestlemania stars going at it. But when the whole motive of the match is to want to suddenly end some over-rated excuse to create a match, then that is poor writing. It needs more substance than just that one aspect.
The streak is only meaningless to smart marks.
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It's a meaningless streak that means nothing because it is meaningless.

I'm all for a Michaels vs. Undertaker match, with the two big Wrestlemania stars going at it.
If he didn't have the streak, Undertaker might not be the WrestleMania star he is. Yes, I know Michaels has lost at Mania and is still a star there, but in a sense, Undertaker is a WrestleMania star because of the streak. I know he's had great matches there, but it's the fact that he's never lost one that makes people want to see him compete on the big stage.
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:26 PM   #15
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It's a meaningless streak that means nothing because it is meaningless. If they didn't go out of their way to hype it every chance they get no one would even notice or care.
This seriously has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read related to wrestling (including anything Noid has ever said.) And I have to believe that you don't even believe what you're saying, because you do seem to actually watch wrestling. If the Undertaker's streak is meaningless because it's predetermined, then absolutely nothing about wrestling has any meaning. I will concede one very small point, and that is that it would be absolutely asinine for Mark Calloway to walk into a bar and start bragging that he's a huge badass because he won at Wrestlemania. That's obvious. But the idea that the streak is meaningless to the Undertaker as a character is ridiculous. The Undertaker is not a guy who's never lost. Percentage-wise, He may well have lost more high-level matches than anybody out there (excluding over-the-hill scratch-and-clawers like Foley and Flair.) His Wrestlemania streak gives his appearances there something specific, something that can be built on. Fuck, it even gave Taker vs Mark Henry a reason to watch (albeit a very small reason.)

If a winning streak or an undefeated streak is meaningless, then just about every part of wrestlign is meaningless. Titles are meaningless. Feuds are meaningless. Matches are meaningless. Take it all the way to its conclusion - any given wrestling move is fake because, well, it's fake, right? That's what you're getting at, isn't it? The Undertaker's WM streak is meaningless because his wins were predetermined? These are views that can only be held by someone who holds a "wrestling is fake" mentality.

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It's like with that Michaels/Flair match earlier this year, where Michaels "retired" Flair. The only reason why he retired Flair was because of some stupid storyline where Flair had to win all of his matches in order to stay a wrestler, which was all an antic for that match to take place in the first place.
Really. If you want storyline-less wrestling, go watch ROH. (Or TNA, they barely have storylines.)

As an aside, if you think an undefeated streak is meaningless in wrestling, look at Goldberg. He HAD NO MEANING without his.
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It does mean something to beat taker at Wrestlemania because nobdody has ever done it. What more motivation does there need to be? Why do people try to beat Guiness records for most linked paperclips? Because it's never been done.
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"We here at WON do not condone the actions of Prichard. "

But they'll gladly publish it.

Michaels being Taker's final opponent is fine and fitting, and honestly it does fall into the "WWE could write it" category.

With it out in the open now, however, I can't see it going down if it is, indeed, true.

The only thing that doesn't sit well with me is Kane retiring Michaels, at a non-big 4 PPV no less. Six years ago I'd probably be okay with Kane going over, but not now. Kane is just a glorified jobber.

If anything, I'd have Kane take Micahels out until the 2010 Rumble and give Michaels his final match at WrestleMania 26 against someone deserving or who has a prolonged history with him.
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The only thing that doesn't sit well with me is Kane retiring Michaels, at a non-big 4 PPV no less. Six years ago I'd probably be okay with Kane going over, but not now. Kane is just a glorified jobber.

If anything, I'd have Kane take Micahels out until the 2010 Rumble and give Michaels his final match at WrestleMania 26 against someone deserving or who has a prolonged history with him.
Yeah that was the only thing I found weird.

If this *is* legit and they need to change it, I would work JBL into this.

Have JBL force HBK to face Taker at Mania and JBL can proclaim that at Wrestlemania, he (JBL) will end the Wrestlemania streak of the Undertaker.

Then of course, HBK loses to Taker and then have JBL berate HBK after the match. HBK finally snaps and superkicks JBL so he can leave Houston with his dignity in tact. HBK and JBL can then feud through the summer.
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Taker at WrestleMania without the streak alive isn't Taker. Ending it is fine as long as he's gone for good, which is unlikely to be the case.
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I'd buy it if Kane took 3-4 months off and lost 20-30 pounds first but there isn't enough time for that.
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Actually wait I missed the part where this is supposed to be The Undertaker's last match. I think in that sense challenging him to his last match would make for a more interesting angle. Just the whole feud just for the sake of facing The Undertaker at Wrestlemania is kinda bleh. They've milked the whole steak thing for about six years too long as it is.
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You disagree with the part about Noid posts not being stupider, don't you. I knew that was a stretch.
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The story behind it will be that Shawn Michaels, along with Undertakers kayfabe brother Kane, has gotten word that Undertaker is planning on returning to Death Valley after Wrestlemania 25(Also confirming rumors of Undertakers 2009 retirement). Kane, feeling that this is his chance to prove himself to the Undertaker, as he has never defeated the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, takes it upon himself to insert himself into the match at Wrestlemania 25. On the other hand, Shawn Michaels who has no opponent for the show, insists that he is the one who should face The Deadman in his last match, citing Ric Flair as an example. This leads to a semi feud between Kane and Shawn Michaels over who gets to face 'Taker at Wrestlemania.

This will eventually lead to a match between the two at No Way Out, with Shawn Michaels prevailing(by cheating, thus starting a small heel run) and facing The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25. In the weeks leading into Wrestlemania 25, Kane will align himself with Shawn Michaels after HBK convinces Kane that he is indeed the better man to "do the job" at Wrestlemania 25.
Since when did they start scheduling matches for Wrestlemania even long before No Way Out happens? Besides the Royal Rumble winner's title match that is.
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Since when did they start scheduling matches for Wrestlemania even long before No Way Out happens? Besides the Royal Rumble winner's title match that is.
I'm sure they had Flair/HBK set by this time last year.
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Since when did they start scheduling matches for Wrestlemania even long before No Way Out happens? Besides the Royal Rumble winner's title match that is.
And I'm sure they schedule Taker's matches in advance because he's the one constant. Everyone knows he's going to wrestle, it's just a matter of who and how it gets there.
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Since when did they start scheduling matches for Wrestlemania even long before No Way Out happens? Besides the Royal Rumble winner's title match that is.
Kane/Taker at XX was set up at the previous Armageddon.
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Remember when the WWE used to plan things out WrestleMania to WrestleMania? Neither do I.

I'm surprised at how much Kane has to do with the story. That would be very cool, but that's me speaking only as a Kane mark. Taker has apparently said he would be willing to put Kane over at WrestleMania, and the two are so closely linked within the WWE's context of things it's not funny. But I don't know about a few things in that scenario:

Turning HBK heel is a stupid, stupid idea. Maybe not so much after WrestleMania to freshen him up, but come on -- part of the magic of the match would be that they are two of the greatest performers to ever come out of Texas, and that the match has been teased since about 2007 when Taker won the Royal Rumble eliminating HBK last. Reducing HBK to a "bad guy opposing Taker" is selling the match short. Just let the guys go into the match as fully fleshed out characters.

Also, while I think putting Taker over is the right idea for the match's finish, I think it should be under the condition that it is not his last WrestleMania. Taker should put someone over before he ends his career. His streak wasn't even brought up until WrestleMania X-7, I really don't think it is a reason for his legacy so much as it is just a result of it. Taker needs to take more of a stand and be more confident in what he means to professional wrestling, and put over someone before he goes.

Fuck, who says he needs to retire afterwards? A logical storyline would be revenge against the guy who ended his streak, leading up to a series of Taker's specialty matches against them -- probably culminating in a Hell in a Cell Match.
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From what I've gathered, they usually have the first draft of Mania down by November. But it goes through so many rewrites that really only the MAJOR matches will hang on.
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I really like the idea of Kane vs. HBK at No Way Out to end Taker's streak.

But, I don't like the idea of HBK turning heel for a few months and getting pointers from Kane. And, I also would like to see the Mania match have a clean ending with no run-ins either.

I'd just love to see an epic HBK vs. Undertaker match at Mania 25, and let the two of them keep their traditional characters.

I honestly don't like it when the WWE feels the need to turn one of the major babyfaces "heel" for a few months in order to build a huge match. Just let them both be babyface going in, and the let the fans pick who they want to win.
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Face vs Face, Taker vs Michaels in Texas would have Hogan vs Rock a quality crowd.
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Really though, anybody who faces Taker at Wrestlemania at this point is going to be a default heel. Maybe just a wee little bit, but still.
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I get a Taker/HBK match at mania?

I’m fine with that, don’t give a shit about how they sort it out.

The only thing I didn’t like was Taker just disappearing, I’d like him to get a proper send off, Flair style, just lose the gimmick and let the fans thank him
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michaels retiring 'taker. fine. But let him stay undefeated.

I think HHH should retire Michaels. Of course it would be a dream come true for Bret Hart to run out and interfere but that would never happen
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