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Old 12-20-2008, 04:41 AM   #1
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Let's talk finishers
Yessir, just a general thread about finishers. Your favourites, your most hated, what do you think is good or bad when it comes to one, etc., etc..

Meself, I love ones that come out of nowhere. I'd love to see more strikes, like someone using a vicious lariat or kick or something. I prefer it like Japan or the indies, where guys usually have a bunch of signature moves, any of which could potentially lead to a pinfall. Much better than a static single finisher, IMO.

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Old 12-20-2008, 05:08 AM   #2
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I'm a big fan of submission finishing moves and the one I've always liked was the Texas Cloverleaf.
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:35 AM   #3
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Tazmission was awesome.

I was always a big fan of the Rock Bottom too.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:15 AM   #4
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Bret Hart's Sharpshooter was awesome.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:53 AM   #5
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Same deal with me with the whole can-come-out-of-nowhere.

As far as submissions go, I dunno - they can be a great way to create a shocking finish, but usually they are applied and you just know the guy is gonna struggle round for 10s, then finally touch the ropes after 2 tries.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:57 AM   #6
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Anything nifty from the top rope is always nice. Typical splashes and flips don't cut it anymore. With the exception of RVD's 5 Star Frog Splash. That always looks like it hurts both men.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:19 AM   #7
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I think an effective finisher is one the wrestler can apply to almost any opponent. Also it needs to be effective. I believe I've gone over these points in previous threads.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:47 AM   #8
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I like moves that can come from nowhere (like the RKO), but I also like the opposite. I like seeing a guy set up for a move and the crowd just going nuts (the F-5 comes to mind).

I also love boots and lariats, as well as some submissions (Tazmission, Bret's Sharpshooter, and the Crossface when it was applied via a counter).
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:58 AM   #9
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My biggest thing isn't where they come from, but how intense they look. Anything like the Stunner or RKO will look good, because it's hard to picture an attack on the neck not doing some damage. The F-5, as mentioned, looks amazing. A lot of strikes look weak, though.
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Submission finishers are probably the best.....Leg Drop just doesn't quite cut it.
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Old 12-20-2008, 10:22 AM   #11
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Submission finishers are probably the best.....I like to tap out like a little bitch!
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Old 12-20-2008, 10:24 AM   #12
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Blitz is right about this subject.
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Old 12-20-2008, 12:02 PM   #13
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Diamond Cutter


Close this thread now. Never has there been a better finisher.....Ever.


I swear to god if anyone posts some stupid crazy CZM super cradle driver bomb shit I will murder you to death.
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:16 PM   #14
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It's not really a finisher until someone gets put into exploding barbed wire and light tubes!
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Old 12-20-2008, 01:37 PM   #15
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I loved Punk's Uranagi Slam into Anaconda Vice finish he was using when he first showed up.
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I like simple and effective, give me stuff like Sweet Chin Music and Stan Hansen's Lariat over shit like the Swanton Bomb and Bourne's SSP.
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Old 12-20-2008, 02:47 PM   #17
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I don't quite know why but I have always like the GORE and the fact that he can virtually hit it at anytime
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:07 PM   #18
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You know, I've become a big fan of Tyler Black's small package driver/ God's last gift. I wouldn't say it's the best finisher ever, but it's quick, can be pulled out of most situations, can be done easily to most people, it's "high implact", but it's also sort of a quick pinning move.
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:13 PM   #19
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Tazzmission. Nuff said.
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:20 PM   #20
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:11 PM   #21
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Define "finisher".
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:56 AM   #22
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Define "finisher".
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:11 PM   #23
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Old 12-20-2008, 04:10 PM   #24
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Spots where wrestlers crawl from one side of the ring to the other have ruined submission finishers.
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Old 12-20-2008, 04:21 PM   #25
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I'm trying to learn how to do this for when I wrestle, because fuck if I'm big enough to do much else and make it look good.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:14 PM   #26
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That is sick. It doesnt even look that hard, just takes practice to learn.
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Old 12-20-2008, 07:18 PM   #27
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Coming out of nowhere, and impact. Those are pretty much the most important factors to me.
I think a strong finisher "move" is more fitting than a finishing "manuever" or "hold". It's hard to get a finishing hold over. When it works, it's awesome, but they're rare. It takes a really technically outstanding wrestler to build the move up to finisher status.
So, I love submission finishers but 9 times out of 10 the finsher move is the dominant finisher, and it's gotta be sudden and impactful.
In both the case of the move and submission finishers, it's a nice bonus for it to be open to interesting counters. It can come out of nowhere, but it also invites reversals, and re-reverals to come out of nowhere. Makes for some interesting back and forths late in the match.


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Old 12-20-2008, 08:00 PM   #28
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Top rope moves on an opponet that is already lying on the ground is kinda dumb in my eyes. It takes longer than 3 seconds to climb the ropes, pose to the crowd and then preform the move. You could have already pinned them and won, but no, you have to do some stupid move that hurts you almost more than them.
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Test's big boot, before he bulked up. That always looked brutal.
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Test really looked like he would kick someone's head off. But a lot of that was probably due to the leather pants he used to wear. They added to the sound, which helped emphasise the idea of impact.

CM Punk's urange into the Anaconda Vice was fantastic, because it was proceeded by that awesome striking combination he used to do. I think it was like a left hook, a right hand, a spinning back hand and a roundhouse kick before the urange and then the submission finisher. That combination was just brutal.

I really like MVP's Drive By Kick. It works on both big and small opponents for different reasons. On big guys, MVP can step up on their knee, and add a shining wizard flavour to it, which is just sick. On smaller guys, it just looks like MVP could legit kick their head in.

The Haas of Pain is awesome, and I hope that Charlie Haas gets credible enough to bring that beast back. I've also always been a fan of the Regal Stretch.

I would love to see a big guy bust out a Reverse F-5 as a finisher. A reverse fireman's carry (like the set-up for the Burning Hammer), which is spun-out into a reverse DDT. I also think that some classic finishers could find a new home in the movesets of some wrestlers. For example, when Santino Marella becomes credible, something like the Tazzmission would really suit his style, I think. Or he could use to the move to become credible. I like the idea of a comical wrestler having a serious finishing move which helps them find success where they probably shouldn't.
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:41 AM   #31
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Something I think that's ironic is this:

Sting was using the Scorpion Deathlock for years before Bret Hart used the Sharpshooter. Yet, to this day, people refer to the move as the Sharpshooter.

There's three possible reasons why. First, and most obvious, would be the fact that Bret was a bigger worldwide draw than Sting. Second, related to the first, would be the Vince McMahon propaganda machine. Third, and I think the real reason, is where the holds could come into play. Sting could only do the Scorpion Deathlock from the traditional set up. Bret could pull the Sharpshooter out from the traditional set up. He also countered a Sharpshooter on him into another Sharpshooter. He also countered a Leg Drop to the groin into the move.

Back on topic. Best Finish type to me is that it has to be believable. I have a hard time buying a glorified Fireman's Carry Takeover or a Sunset Flip off the top rope. Hansen's Lariat, I can see that winning a match. A Good Hold that looks painful I can buy, as well.
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Kobashi's Burning Lariat. Simple, effective, looks good. Just watched the 2000 Champion's Carnival Final and he kills Omori with it.

Can't really think of anything currently in WWE that I really find that convincing as a finish besides HBK's Sweet Chin Music. Probably the GTS also.
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:33 AM   #33
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The move just needs to look like it is devestating. The problem with a lot of finishers is that they're less devestating than half the moveset. HHH's spinebuster is just a mid-match spot move, and it's better than half the roster's finishers.

It's a common move, but powerbombs are always a safe bet if they're innovated a little. I always loved the ride, and I think the Jacknife is one of the coolest looking finishers ever. I'm not gonna go crazy over the Batistabomb, but it works much better than an FU, or Edge's spear.

I love Edge to death, but the spear really doesn't work for me. I like it as a move, but not as a finisher. He just doesn't have the force behind it that Goldberg or Rhyno do.
The twist of fate is a stupid fuckin neck breaker, even though I like the guys delivering it.
Jericho should stick to the liontamer, the codebreaker never really did much for me and I don't think it did for the crowd either.
All in all, most of the finishers in WWE today suck. The best ones are the old faithfuls: pedigree and sweet chin music. I wonder why that is...
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Old 12-21-2008, 12:15 PM   #34
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I love Edge to death, but the spear really doesn't work for me. I like it as a move, but not as a finisher. He just doesn't have the force behind it that Goldberg or Rhyno do.
The twist of fate is a stupid fuckin neck breaker, even though I like the guys delivering it.
Jericho should stick to the liontamer, the codebreaker never really did much for me and I don't think it did for the crowd either.
I think the commonality here is that they're all moves that are great--But should not be finishers in themselves. The codebreaker is pretty cool, but works better as a set-up to the Walls. Or even the Lionsault (God, I miss that move).

Twist of Fate works better as a means to set up another move, too. Like the Senton/Swanton/Kenton/Wanton....Or whatever.

Edge's spear looks bad because it lacks the apparent momentum, but I'd still buy it if it wasn't a finisher of itself. That's a move that'll knock the wind out of you performed by anyone short of Mysterio/'Swog. That's not automatically enough to be bought as a finisher, but it sure could set up dozens of finishing moves.
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Oh, and I hate to give JBL a lot of credit here but the Clothesline From Hell, although a basic move and pretty unoriginal, works damn well. It comes out of nowhere and has a shitload of impact. It's pretty devestating looking. Probably because he's just really giving it to half the guys.
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What makes a finisher is really how they book it. I think the codebreaker is awesome looking but Jericho rarely wins with it so it isn't nearly as great as it could be. While Orton's head kick is really generic but they book it like death.
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I see your point, but thats really a shitty example. The head kick looks badass and the codebreaker rarely looks good.
How generic it is doesn't really matter. Sweet Chin Music and The Jacknife are generic. They're amazing. Fuck, Big Show's knockout punch is better than half the finishers in the company. I don't think it really matters how original it is, just how strong it can be.
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My favorite has always been The Crossface

I hate the FU
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I see where you're coming from but I was much more fond of the bowflex smash and the bible buster.
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I see where you're coming from but I was much more fond of the bowflex smash and the bible buster.
Yeah, too bad they were one night only finishers.
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