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Look who's pumped about the current direction of WWE...
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ELF ANGEL
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Very Nice read.
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Father of Hinduship
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Excellent read.
Paul Heyman is 100% correct in my opinion. |
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EATER OF HOT POCKETS
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As someone who doesn't suck Heyman's cock at every corner, that was a pretty fine assessment.
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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LOL
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I was reading another article of his about the youth movement, and the inner circle around Vince that have their heads up their asses culturally.
He was talking about how the whole problem with creative is that anyone with any power actually thinks DX is cooler and funnier to youth and by modern standards, than Miz and Morrison. So, "kids are turning off the show to play Wii and Guitar Hero" as he puts it, while the product is struggling. Some excellent observations by a creatively brilliant man. |
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Father of Hinduship
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For kids aged 13 and under, I would argue that most WOULD find DX to be cooler and funnier than Miz and Morrison. For people aged 13-17, perhaps most people would find DX and Miz/Morrison to be equally lame. People 17 and above however, might be able to appreciate the subtle coolness of the Miz/Morrison. |
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Okay let's put it this way...DX is still cool if you're an aging gym rat, hair metal disciple from the 80s that wears a fanny pack.
Not the target demographic |
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You can't teach that
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I still think DX has great appeal to all ages. As much as I hate to say it, but I rarely have seen a skit that wasnt a bit entertaining, albeit out dated and juvenile.
The problem is, DX is great for little pops here and there, but you cant build your company around that, you need to build to the future on Youth. Things have been down for 7 years. Something needs to change. They rode a new generation into the Attitude era, and now they are all gone and old...but the WWE needs to try to build like that again. |
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You can't teach that
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HHH, HBK and Taker's time as the focal point is over. They can still stay as main eventers, but they need to not be the focal point of the show.
Cena has had his chance to be the man, and has failed. Orton is next in line, we will see where he goes. |
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The problem with DX though, and he lays it out, is that they're portrayed as younger, hipper, cooler.
They are still way over and a great throwback, yes. He highlights that too, and how they're better as veterans who know the ropes rather than the "cool punks". That's where I agree with him. Here's my further take on it: Think of it this way. They're a product of the late 90s, Clinton-era shock entertainment. Everyone was into edgey stuff, and vulgarity and offensiveness. Who knows why, but it was true. Gutter was in. "Trailer park" was in. That's why Jerry Springer, Howard Stern, COPS, Spencer Gifts and all that shit was the talk of the town. Co-Ed Naked T-Shirts and the South Park craze were indicative of the times. So if that stuffs not cool anymore, why do they parade DX over what actually is? What's ass backwards about it too is that they're a throwback to the days of shocking behaviour as pop culture, without the shocking behaviour. |
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You can't teach that
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Agreed.
Today's humor and entertainment is much more subtle, intelligent than it was in 1999. A |
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"Ask him!"
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How is South Park not cool anymore? |
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Father of Hinduship
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Few things:
1) I don't think it's fair to say that Cena has "failed." I would argue that in their attempt to cater to kids aged 12 and under, the WWE has alienated Cena from the older demographic. As much as WE hate to admit it however, Cena is loved by young kids....as is DX. Which leads my to my next point: 2) Jeritron - it depends on what your definition of 'target demographic' is. In my opinion, the target demographic for the WWE are kids aged 12 and under. With that in mind, the WWE has actually pushed Cena and DX PERFECTLY......if that TRULY IS the demographic that they are targetting. The merchandise sales, etc. are vivid proof that the WWE has been successful in their marketing efforts towards this demographic. 3) Cena as a heel. I still believe that when all is said in done (be it 1 year from now....3 years from now....who knows), Cena will go down as one of the best HEELS of all-time. When Cena turns heel, look out........ ![]() |
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You can't teach that
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Very good points Heyman.
Perhaps it isnt Cena that has failed...Perhaps it is the decided direction. The WWE had its peak catering to a 13 and up crowd. IN turn, little kids still love it. 12 and under will always follow the WWE. They need to win back their teen and Adult fans. |
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"Ask him!"
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John Cena will turn heel and form a new stable with Randy Orton and Batista that will usher in the next era of greatness for pro wrestling fans.
In 2012. |
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Father of Hinduship
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I still think that ONE day, we WILL see John Cena vs. The Rock.
Call me an optimist.... |
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You know that’s right
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Paul E. just pretty much called the ECW title a minor league championship. It's good to see he's accepted reality and has at least let that grudge go.
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Doin' It Right
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Head on a Rollercoaster
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Great read and i think with Orton...just have this feeling...that we are going to see a Bret/Austin switcharoo at WrestleMania between the two. Orton was already getting RKO chants for not backing down to Vince, so that tells me that the fans WANT somebody like that. And what better way to make him look ever more cooler than to go against a squeaky clean babyface like Cena.
How i would love that match to end is either: 1.) Great match with Orton kicking out of 2 FU's and, by the skin of his teeth, win the title WITHOUT using that punt but by RKO or school boy pin. 2.) If Cena HAS to win, both trading two finishers EACH, then Cena locking in the STFU. Orton goes unconscious and never taps, like so many others before him have. Cena leaves and Orton eventually gets to his feet while being greeted to a standing ovation from the crowd. |
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Da Gif/Pic Pimp
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If Orton destroys Cena, there's your 18-34 demographic back in a heart beat.
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Voices in my Head
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How long though do you think they could carry this?
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Father of Hinduship
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1) What happens to Team Legacy? Does Legacy turn face along with Orton, or do they disown Orton? 2) Can Legacy, in it's entirety, be successful as faces? |
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Father of Hinduship
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If the WWE are smart, they will focus HEAVILY on these 5 guys (or 'entities') for the next year:
1) Randy Orton 2) CM Punk 3) MVP 4) Priceless (i.e. Rhodes and Dibiase) 5) Big Show Yes - point #5....you read that correctly. In my opinion, the WWE finally needs to push Big Show to the moon....and at some point, have him defeat Undertaker in a string of convincing victories. Just my opinion however. |
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Randy Orton finally got the bad-ass thing down four and a half years after it would have been appropriate for him. Good work, Randy. It's good that he's on a roll, though. It's also good that he is connecting to audiences without really having to do much. They put Orton over Cena and Triple H last year, so I see no reason why Cena should not take a punt at WrestleMania XXV.
Paul Heyman has been high on Randy Orton for some time, and I cannot bring myself to completely agree with him. Orton is winning me over, but I still think he is oily and mechanical both in the ring and in the promo department. It's just that what he is doing seems to be...working. I'd follow it through to its logical conclusions (Orton punting a lot of people in the head). Personally, believe it or not, I am actually looking forward to a face Orton versus heel Batista feud when Dancin' Dave returns in 2009. That would be a fresh spin on the feud, and take things right back to how they started -- with Batista stabbing Orton in the back. If Orton turns face, so should The Legacy. Teddy DiBiase should logically be a face to ensure that his movie does well. Cody Rhodes also works really well as a face. His first run was a bit bland, but that can be forgiven. Oh, and while he prefers to play a heel, it is going to be hard to boo the son of Davey Boy Smith and nephew of Bret Hart. They just have to keep their attitude. I'll also agree with Hunter Hindu Heyman that there is money in the guys he listed. I wouldn't limit things there, though. There is a lot of potential in the WWE. |
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