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Old 02-08-2009, 02:59 PM   #1
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What's the point of the leap frog?
In terms of wrestling psychology, I don't see how that move can be of any benefit to its performer. I guess it looks nice and athletic, but what would compel a person in a wrestling match to leap frog his opponent?

Also, discuss other moves that make no sense.

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Old 02-08-2009, 03:01 PM   #2
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The other guy picks up more momentum so when the leap-frogger finally strikes it hits harder?
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:01 PM   #3
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In the same vein as the leap frog, the move where you send a guy to the ropes and then drop to your stomach then the other guys jumps over you as he hits the other end of the ropes.
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Its just an attempt at teabagging the opponent, unfortunately they usually duck too low or the leapfrogger jumps too high for it to work.
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:13 PM   #5
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Let's rewind all the way back to the fuckin Irish Whip. Sure it's a stable, but you're telling me you could make me run in any direction you toss me?

I'll jump over you as you lay down during an Irish Whip spot but I won't jump over a Drop Toe Hold?
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Yeah, what if instead of jumping over, you jsut kicked the guy in the ribs.
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What about when the leap frogger jumps over the leap froggee and then turns it into a blind maneuver? I'm pretty sure HBK has performed a leap frog and then hit Sweet Chin Music at some point. The move seems to baffle an opponent, like, "Where the fuck did he go? He was here a second ago. Oh, now I'm getting kicked."
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The slapstick cartoon element is what 'makes' the show in many ways. I wouldn't have it any other way, but some old spots are ridiculous when you sit down and think about it. Some spots simply would not exist if people reacted realistically.

-Any kind of dive to the outside would be beaten by a sidestep. When that counter actually happens it's funny to hear announcers sell it like some genius solution to an age old problem.
-I applaud any spot where somebody ducks the Sweet Chin Music after HBK spends 20secs telegraphing the move with loud stomping. Really, that's a move that should never hit when he Tunes Up The band. The move seems most effective when he pulls it out of nowhere.
-If refs could overturn outcomes for various reasons, why don't they review replays for suspect wins and judge accordingly? This would shut heels down forever.
-Just about every spot in Lucha Libre is complete farce.

Strong Man style comes pretty close to what pro-wrestling would be like with realistic reactions. Old school ECW as well (not the trash matches, the agile stuff).
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Provides a little visual flash, same reason why just about everything else in wrestling is done.
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The sleeper makes no sense to me thse days. I mean, I know it's there to wear you opponent down, but seriously when was the last time someone passed out from it?

At the end of the day, it's a move that magically makes your opponent come back to life after 2 arm drops and kick your ass.
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The Superplex. I'm going to stand up on the top rope so my opponent can throw me over their shoulder. Seriously, I can't think of any front suplex setup where it can't be prevented.
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I don't know if I can even begin listing the things that "don't make sense" to me.
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I'm sure you could at least begin. How about you start with the logic of keeping trash cans and stop signs under the ring?
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lol. One of my favorites is the power of a restraining order in wrestling. They're the only thing about the law or even human deceny observed by pro wrestlers.
They will run eachother over with cars, smash eachother in the back of the skull with blunt objects, and throw eachother from great heights.
But when there's a restraining order that is supposed to not allow them in the building, or within __ yards for another party...well, they just won't cross that line.
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I was under the impression guys just came by one at a time when no one was around and put their weapon of choice under the ring. That's how they would know exactly where to go for certain weapons. With the lack of hardcore matches now, this really only applies to HHH, and he probably pays people to do it.
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Orton fucked up the other night when he said he would sue Stephanie and WWE. Being that WWE is a Corporation, Stephanie is personally immune from any direct lawsuit, lol, DUH.
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The sleeper makes no sense to me thse days. I mean, I know it's there to wear you opponent down, but seriously when was the last time someone passed out from it?

At the end of the day, it's a move that magically makes your opponent come back to life after 2 arm drops and kick your ass.
Isn't it strange how effective a sleeper usually is in a hair vs hair match?

Similar to how using a steel chair in a hardcore match is like a pat on the back, but in a regular match its nuclear fucking holocaust.
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Forget the sleeper, how about just the hair vs hair match itself? If you think about it, it's really ridiculous. I suppose it carries some weight as stakes for a women's match, but for men's? Big deal if you get your hair cut. How is that supposed to compare to a title, or a concussion?
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Forget the sleeper, how about just the hair vs hair match itself? If you think about it, it's really ridiculous. I suppose it carries some weight as stakes for a women's match, but for men's? Big deal if you get your hair cut. How is that supposed to compare to a title, or a concussion?
Dunno really, suppose embarrasment is the big point of it. These days it seems to be used when someones losing their hair anyway, or at least going for a new look like nash vs jericho several years back. Last one i can remember was angle and big show, and at the time shows hair was thinning out quite a bit.
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While we're on the subject of matches, the TLC match. Ladder matches are already no DQ, why add the others when they can easily be pulled out from under the ring?
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I don't see the embarassment though. They don't shave their head completely. They just buzz it. I think the modern times make it stupid. As far as modern society goes, it's more "embarassing" to have long bleached blonde hair than it is to receive a buzz cut.
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I don't see the embarassment though. They don't shave their head completely. They just buzz it. I think the modern times make it stupid. As far as modern society goes, it's more "embarassing" to have long bleached blonde hair than it is to receive a buzz cut.
Which bring me onto another point, wtf is it with wrestlers and long hair?

In the 80's just about everyone had it, these days its not as bad but still quite a few sport the long hair look. I suppose it cna have some advantages in actually working in the ring, blading for example can be disguised easier by a guy with long hair as opposed to short. Also some moves like the tombstone, you see the hair impacting the mat and subconciously you think its their actual head, guys with shor hair it sometimes is very obvious they don't hit.


I don't think any of the reasons above apply as to why they have it though, or possibly they do i dunno, i cant see it as a style choice seeing as the vast majority had it.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:44 PM   #27
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The reason for it for a long time used to be to mask punches. Long hair, that flew around, made worked punches and bumps easier to disguise.
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It has to do with the selling and being able to talk without fears of lip reading, I'm sure, but I think overall it's just a style the business never outgrew.

I'm just glad we don't see a lot of emo haircuts running around. There's a few, but not many at all, really.
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In terms of wrestling psychology, I don't see how that move can be of any benefit to its performer. I guess it looks nice and athletic, but what would compel a person in a wrestling match to leap frog his opponent?

Also, discuss other moves that make no sense.
You're trying to throw him off by disorienting him. In some cases it'sbeen used to actually leap over would be offense.

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In the same vein as the leap frog, the move where you send a guy to the ropes and then drop to your stomach then the other guys jumps over you as he hits the other end of the ropes.
The drop down is one wrestler trying to trip the other.
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Let's rewind all the way back to the fuckin Irish Whip. Sure it's a stable, but you're telling me you could make me run in any direction you toss me?

I'll jump over you as you lay down during an Irish Whip spot but I won't jump over a Drop Toe Hold?
You aren't running against your will. It's just as advantagous for you to hit the ropes and gain momentum for potential offense as it it for him to send you across the ring for the same reasons.

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Yeah, what if instead of jumping over, you jsut kicked the guy in the ribs.
Pretty common spot right there.

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Which bring me onto another point, wtf is it with wrestlers and long hair?

In the 80's just about everyone had it, these days its not as bad but still quite a few sport the long hair look. I suppose it cna have some advantages in actually working in the ring, blading for example can be disguised easier by a guy with long hair as opposed to short. Also some moves like the tombstone, you see the hair impacting the mat and subconciously you think its their actual head, guys with shor hair it sometimes is very obvious they don't hit.


I don't think any of the reasons above apply as to why they have it though, or possibly they do i dunno, i cant see it as a style choice seeing as the vast majority had it.
Long hair hides your calls. Hard to see my lips move if both of our faces are coverd in hair.
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FTR: the leap frog is pretty stupid.
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I don't get where you get whipped into the corner, grab the ropes, jump your legs up and your opponent runs under putting himself into the corner. Like...really?

Oh and the abdominal stretch...that's worse than the sleeper.
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You aren't running against your will.* It's just as advantagous for you to hit the ropes and gain momentum for potential offense as it it for him to send you across the ring for the same reasons.
There are exceptions to this rule, but yeah.
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to be countered into a wicked looking sit-down powerbomb.
Or to simply avoid being kicked in the face...
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I always appreciate your input on things like this, Destor. I guess the drop down makes sense to try and trip your opponent, but I have never seen anyone actually 'fall' for it, pun intended.
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LOL

Yeah, you wont see it work often, but every now and agian you see a comedy spot where it works.
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I would like to see a Leap Frog Challenge Match. Two hosses, $10,000 on the line, the first man to complete a leap frog wins. BOOK IT.
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I wanna See Khali v. Henry in a leapfrog Challenge, I would of said Big Show, but I think the big fucker, can actually do one.
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