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I'd be okay with it. 20 23.53%
I'm against it. 43 50.59%
I'm in the middle. 15 17.65%
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:24 AM   #1
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How would you feel about Michaels ending Taker's streak?
With Michaels vs. Taker this year I, personally, could see Michaels going over. It's a VERY low chance, but I think he has the best chance of going over than anyone before him.

Whether you agree with that or not, how would you feel if it actually happened? We know that a large part of Taker's gimmick is the Mania streak and one of the only guaranteed draws for the event (Mizark not withstanding). But who better than the Icon, the show stopper, the main event, Mr. WrestleMania himself, to end it?

So, my question to you is, how would you feel if Michaels went over Taker at WrestleMania 25, thus ending the streak?

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Old 03-22-2009, 12:26 AM   #2
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:31 AM   #3
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I'm in the middle.

One one hand, I would love to see Taker retire with his undefeated streak intact. It would more than cement his legacy.

On the other hand, I would not necessarily be opposed to seeing HBM end the run. It would more than cement his legacy.

Not to say that neither man's legacy isn't already cemented, mind you. Having the distinction of being unbeaten on the biggest stage, or beating the unbeaten on that stage, would be associated with either man forever.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:33 AM   #4
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Maybe it's the Undertaker mark in me talking, but I think that after everything 'Taker has done for the business, he deserves this to be his legacy. The streak should not end, not even to Michaels. 20-0 then retire.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:37 AM   #5
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Taker has put up with too many untalented hosses to have the streak taken away
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:11 AM   #6
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I wouldn't be jumping for joy over it, but I wouldn't hate it, either. I guess I'm in the middle.
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:35 AM   #7
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Taker has put up with too many untalented hosses to have the streak taken away
My thoughts exactly. If it is taken away it needs to be taken from a guy who has a long future in the company, but I still don't think it should end.
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:54 AM   #8
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I think Orton had a better chance of beating him
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:14 AM   #9
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I want Shawn to do it personally. At the same time, I'm a bit torn. I agree, the Undertaker's streak is one of those things that really stand out about him. He mainly has his streak, his aura, the entrance, the mind games, the body bag thing back in the day, etc... Those are things he'll be remembered for. Shawn on the other hand has the fact that he's basically the guy out there doing shit that hasn't been done before (technically). Ladder matches, HIAC, Elimination Chamber, Iron man match, retiring Ric Flair, etc, etc... Ending the streak plays right into that. The ultimate problem is, to build HBK's legacy, the Undertaker loses something... If Undertaker keeps his legacy, Shawn doesn't lose anything.

I could see them doing something smart/stupid, depending how you look at it, and that'd be having it be a draw. That way, Shawn is the first person to not lose to the Undertaker at Mania, and Undertaker doesn't lose his streak. Then, they could spend an entire year building for the rematch (yeah right), then have Taker win his rematch at Mania, avenging his draw, and then retiring. They could even do an iron man hell in the cell match... Yeah.

Another thing I could see happening would be HBK about to win, but Edge or Orton interfere, costing him the match (basically saying if I can't beat Taker's streak at Mania, no one will.) Then Taker keeps his streak, HBK lost, but not cleanly, and then HBK gets pushed into a feud, possibly with a champion, which could lead to him getting the title reign he really deserves before he retires.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:36 AM   #10
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I just get the feeling that JBL may interfere...he says he is going to do something historic, and maybe costing 'Taker his streak is it.

If the rumours are true about JBL retiring, it would set up a feud between him and 'taker for a loser retires match.

That being said...I don't want to see 'Taker lose the streak...as previously mentioned, it is part of his gimmick.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:43 AM   #11
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I think Orton had a better chance of beating him
My thoughts exactly. If Taker's streak was going to end it should have happened at WrestleMania 21, or in a rematch at WrestleMania 22 (which would have been far better than the shit we got with them, i.e. Taker vs. Henry and Orton jobbing to Mysterio). It would have been perfect either way because it would've meant that either Taker couldn't make it to unlucky number 13, or that he lost after reaching #13.

Orton could have greatly benefited from being the guy to end the streak, but they decided not to go with it. At this point, 16-0, I don't think they should get rid of it at all. Just let him retire with it as his ultimate legacy; he deserves it. HBM is going to go down in WWE history for a lot of things, including the first Ladder match, Iron Man Match, all sorts of stuff. Let Taker keep his streak. Plus, it's a nice little built-in storyline for Taker at WM each year until he decides to up and retire, which, honestly, can't be long from now.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:04 AM   #12
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I would agree with what Fox said about Taker's built-in storyline, and actually add that if Taker loses his next Mania match may become sort of anticlimactic. They've all been built up so much with The Streak, and to go from that and lose it all would be...almost hollow. I mean we all kid about knowing the outcome of the Taker matches because of The Streak, and it has almost become a double-edged sword, because if he loses it now and then only has a few more Manias, sure he's got an awesome record, but it's not unblemished.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:57 AM   #13
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If HBK is planning to continue wrestling for longer than Taker is, I wouldn't mind him ending the streak.

So I'm in the middle, until I see how it plays out.
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:56 AM   #14
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I don't really care. Wrestlemania winning streak doesn't really matter to me.
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Old 03-22-2009, 07:14 AM   #15
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Yeah, Orton was the guy who should of ended it. But it didn't happen, so let Taker keep it.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:27 AM   #16
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Would rather have a up and coming main eventer break the streak one year, but whatever. This storyline is getting really old.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:52 AM   #17
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Would rather have a up and coming main eventer break the streak one year, but whatever. This storyline is getting really old.
The streak angle or the HBM/Taker storyline?
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The streak angle.
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Much like my previous post ... http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88384
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Old 03-22-2009, 11:03 AM   #20
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I agree with whoever said Taker should build to a nice round number like 20-0 maybe even 25-0 then retire.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:12 PM   #21
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I would oppose it.
I like HBK but I like the Undertaker better. As others have said, the streak is quite legendary and in a way it has become part of the Undertaker "mythology" I guess. I could see him retiring with a huge win streak at Wrestlemania. It would not surprise me if sometime down the road Taker faces a newer challenger in a "win at Mania or retire" type of match. Kind of like passing down the torch type of deal.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:55 PM   #22
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My thoughts exactly. If Taker's streak was going to end it should have happened at WrestleMania 21, or in a rematch at WrestleMania 22 (which would have been far better than the shit we got with them, i.e. Taker vs. Henry and Orton jobbing to Mysterio). It would have been perfect either way because it would've meant that either Taker couldn't make it to unlucky number 13, or that he lost after reaching #13.

Orton could have greatly benefited from being the guy to end the streak, but they decided not to go with it.
Well I think they decided it because Orton was injured
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Would rather have a up and coming main eventer break the streak one year, but whatever. This storyline is getting really old.

Oh, you mean like Brock Lesnar?
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Old 03-22-2009, 02:43 PM   #24
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I vote for Loose Canon. That way if HBK DOES beat Taker, they can just take it as not in Canon and next year at Mania just pretend that he was never defeated.
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If someone is going to beat Taker, it should be HBK. I'd actually like it if they did some bullshit ending where Taker gets counted out or DQ'ed. I know that'd piss a lot of people off but I bet it would create a lot of buzz and I'd be entertained.
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:29 PM   #26
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MIcheals has done enough he has not right to end the streak. Trust me this is worth making a big deal about.
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:35 PM   #27
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I think that UT, if going to have a loss at WM, should lose against either HBK or even Kane. Now there is something that could make alot of sense. Have Kane start doing his weird talking and mind game shit and wear his old mask during the match. Not the ring attire, still the same that he has now but with the mask. People will probably say "well Kane doesn't need it" but who else would you let beat UT without going "yea..figured that, he is getting the biggest push since Luger.." That should be Taker's last match too. He and Kane and then reconcile in the ring because, storyline-wise, everyone knows they are brothers. And who knows UT "better" than Kane, right?

Again, that is IF he is going to lose his streak at WM.

As for the question of the topic, it will be close but i think that what is so good about the match is that neither man have to be "put over" or "need the rub". So idk. I guess i'd want to see Taker keep it until my scenario.
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:02 PM   #28
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:36 PM   #29
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yea, Kane would be epic.

But like I said in previous posts, if HBK does end it, it's the perfect opportunity to turn him heel, but not instantly. Have him keep harping on the fact that he's ended Flair's career, ended Taker's streak and eventually the fans should (SHOULD) turn on him.

Normally, I would say no, have a young guy beat Taker to make said guy. However, with the booking this day and age, nobody is protected anyway, so it doesn't matter. A guy could go on a huge winning streak in Quarters 1 and 2 and then would be lucky to find a win in Quarters 3 and 4. It's nuts. So to build a guy up to end Taker's streak and then to send him back down again months later would be stupid.
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:53 PM   #30
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hbk is too old. kane would have been good way back in the day but i think he's getting a bit too old now too. i don't think he needs to lose it really. it'd be a wicked record to have and see if anyone else can get close in future.
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Well I think they decided it because Orton was injured
He still could have won. Or if not at 21, then at 22.
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Old 03-22-2009, 11:29 PM   #32
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If anyone should have ended it, it should have been Edge last year.
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Old 03-23-2009, 02:51 PM   #33
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I wouldn't mind. It's a nice legacy thing and all, but in all fairness he isn't exactly 'undefeated' as it's a scripted sport anyway. If Undertaker wins it doesn't matter, but if Michaels wins it'll be a nice shock.
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Old 03-23-2009, 05:37 PM   #34
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It should be some body young, who could ride that wave straight to ME status and carry WWE into the New Era. I LOVE Edge, and I like the heel Cena that's coming(you'll see my thread on this later). But somebody up and coming should be the one 'who ended Taker's streak'. Two people spring to mind:MVP and John Morrison. These two seem to be destined for greatness. There could be numerous storylines that could end up putting all parties over, while sending Taker and his streak to the retirement home.


A Heel MVP winning a match over Taker would be epic for the young man. Morrision needs one great moment that is un -dirt sheet- related to catapult him. I think the opportunities abound with these two. One thing is certain, HE SHOULD LOSE! Fuck that, everyone does the job (isn't that right BRET?)


Who would you pick to end the streak?
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My thoughts exactly. If it is taken away it needs to be taken from a guy who has a long future in the company, but I still don't think it should end.
The whole "future" thing is so uncertain these days, anyway. Between the number of injuries and Vince's flights of fancy, it's hard to know who to bank on.

Except Cena. The only thing that will stop a Cena push is a sudden case of Chris Benoit Syndrome.
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There are so many ways to get guys over that I wouldn't use Taker's streak as one of them.
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The whole "future" thing is so uncertain these days, anyway. Between the number of injuries and Vince's flights of fancy, it's hard to know who to bank on.

Except Cena. The only thing that will stop a Cena push is a sudden case of Chris Benoit Syndrome.
yea, exactly the point I hit. And I was going to respond to Krimzon's post about MVP or Morrison. Like I said already and like KK just said, do you really think Vince will push eathier of these guys consistently for at least 2 years? MVP has already been pushed and depushed a ridiculous amount.

I say don't bother with ending the streak if the guy that ends it is going to be jobbing 6 months later
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:04 PM   #38
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There's also the possibility that whoever ends this streak will get Mark Hammil'd by it in the wrestling fan community.
I would say Bill Buckner'd, which would be more accurate since the fans would hate him for it. But that wouldn't be a bad thing. It would generate lots of heat, that would stick.

But by getting Mark Hammil'd, I mean that he who snaps the streak would be permenantly associated with it, and the rest of his career would suffer because of it.

Devil's advocate: MVP or whoever snaps The Undertaker's streak next year. Where does his character now go? Is that his gimmick for 10+ years? Is that even a worthy gimmick? Will he ever be a face again? How many different angles and character stages are shot dead because he is forever associated with it?


Personally, I don't think it's THAT big of a deal. I hate to make it seem like the end of the world, because it's really not. It just seems stupid on every level to end it now. It will more than likely frustrate people in a bad way. There'd be trash in the ring, I think. Not good trash a la nWo Bash At the Beach. More like WCW-2000, "I want my money back", trash throwing.

The upside seems small, and very uncertain. Maybe someone gets a rub out of it, but more than likely you have a lot of disenchanted fans and you've ended a novelty that took 17 years to mold. The streak can be promoted and talked about for years. Snapping it kills it's mythic legacy to the fans.

If they were going to do it, I think it would have made most sense to do it with Orton or Edge. At this point it's just pointless. They were both in positions where them snapping the streak seemed very possible, and perhaps even made sense.
In hindsight though, it's better that they didn't. They've done fine without
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They can't be so stupid can they? No pics of this, at least I can't find anyway. Prob. BS. anyway.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:16 AM   #40
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Michaels is so over already, he doesn't need to beat Taker. If Taker is to lose at all (I don't know if I would have him lose), it should be to a young talent, who has some staying power. Definitely someone who is going to be around for awhile and has superior talent. Has to be an actual WRESTLER.

But, I don't expect Vince to do anything that would be good for the business. He's never done that.
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