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Old 04-05-2009, 11:39 AM   #1
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Official WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2010 Thread
Hasn't been officially announced yet, but it's WM weekend so this is usually when the thread starts.

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions for the next SD game?

I thought SVR09 was pretty solid overall...hoping they don't completely regress for the next game unless they plan on totally rebuilding the game engine (which they won't).

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Old 04-05-2009, 11:44 AM   #2
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In all honesty the wishlist from last year pretty much still applies.
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:51 AM   #3
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Also, time to do my annual WM roster prediction that I do every year. I'll go with a roster of 60 (including divas)...and assume they will continue to omit Legends:

1. Batista
2. Beth Phoenix
3. The Big Show
4. The Brian Kendrick
5. Brie Bella
6. Carlito
7. Charlie Haas
8. Chavo Guerrero
9. Chris Jericho
10. Christian
11. CM Punk
12. Cody Rhodes
13. Edge
14. Evan Bourne
15. Ezekiel Jackson
16. Festus
17. Finlay
18. Gail Kim
19. The Great Khali
20. Hurricane Helms
21. Jack Swagger
22. JBL
23. Jeff Hardy
24. Jesse
25. Jimmy Wang Yang
26. John Cena
27. John Morrison
28. JTG
29. Kane
30. Kelly Kelly
31. Kofi Kingston
32. Maria
33. Mark Henry
34. Maryse
35. Matt Hardy
36. Melina
37. Michelle McCool
38. Mickie James
39. Mike Knox
40. The Miz
41. Mr. Kennedy
42. Mr. McMahon
43. MVP
44. Nikki Bella
45. Primo
46. Randy Orton
47. Rey Mysterio
48. R-Truth
49. Santino Marella
50. Shad
51. Shane McMahon
52. Shawn Michaels
53. Shelton Benjamin
54. Ted DiBiase
55. Tommy Dreamer
56. Triple H
57. Umaga
58. The Undertaker
59. Vladimir Kozlov
60. William Regal

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10 divas, just one less from last year...Gail Kim might be a bit of a stretch so if she doesn't make it I could sooner see her spot going to Candice or Layla (since their models are there from last year).

A decent amount of tag teams, figuring they want to continue pushing that revised tag match (hence why Zeke is a playable character)...the only active tag team I've omitted is Hawkins & Ryder since they haven't had a match in ages.

When filling out the remaining jobber slots, I REALLY wanted to finally get Jamie Noble into his first SD game, but I could see them getting lazy and picking Charlie Haas and Jimmy Wang Yang solely due to them already being in the game from last year and it's no secret they reuse models on occasion.

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Old 04-05-2009, 12:06 PM   #4
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Explain to me the idea of 'roster predictions'. They aren't roster wishlists so I always thought about what the idea behind them were.
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Explain to me the idea of 'roster predictions'. They aren't roster wishlists so I always thought about what the idea behind them were.
It's probably along the lines of people wanting to predict what the rosters will be.
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Old 04-05-2009, 12:42 PM   #6
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But... why?

Forget it, I suppose from your end you feel like you're wasting time explaining to me so carry on.
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THQ/Yukes have made some more than questionable roster decisions in the past...mostly involving tag teams (up until last year they had a remarkable streak of 4 or 5 years in a row in which the current tag champs failed to make the roster cut) so it's become a source of speculation and unpredictability as to who is actually going to get in.

For years it was thought that the roster deadline was sometime in the summer but in past years it's been proven that the deadline is no later than the week after WM.

I actually did really well in my predictions last year...correctly guessing 49 out of the 50 active wrestlers that wound up in the game (only one I missed was Jamie Noble, hence my reluctance to predict him this year).
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I picked up SvR09 this year (after skipping 08) and I must say it's quite a good game. They need to improve a few things, though.

- Interrupting moves.

- Better pin and submission interruption.

- Stopping your own taunts (I do not understand why they took that out).

-Weapons physics. I'd especially like to see the ability to do moves on grounded chairs and whatnot, but there's something still off about them. 09 was still a huge improvement over 07 though.

- Ladder Matches. They need to revamp this entirely. I hate how it takes an unrealistic amount of time to get it off. Honestly, I liked the old style of hanging onto the belt until you got it much more than the meter. Not saying they need to go that way but they need to make grabbing the belt at any time possible. Also, better ladder physics.

- Tables should be more accessible for any slam-like move. The table-specific moves are fine but the old system, while glitchy, allowed for much more possibilities.

- Improved CAW. I understand why you can't use music online (copyright problems) and I understand why you can't use lettering online (pretty hard to censor something someone puts on their character), but no logos, for example, is a bit ridiculous. Also, an overall rehaul, but that's always needed.

I think the best way to improve CAW would be to build the actual wrestlers (aside from the faces, they can just use scans as the current face system is pretty robust as-is) in the same tool that's used for CAW. It would force them to improve the overall quality of the attires.

- Unlimited CAW spots. Let's face it, there's no reason to limit it now. (Do they? I didn't even notice.)

- Custom trons, built off the Highlight Reel engine.

- Bring back Create a Taunt.

- Improvements to Create a Move (best new feature in 09 by far).

- Allow you to play any match in any arena. I sort of see the point of the Rumble being only in the Rumble arena, but the Extreme matches ONLY in the ECW arena?

Honestly, I think they have the gameplay down. There are a few sections that can be improved, but the wrestling system itself is pretty great.

They really need to borrow more from the DOR system.
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They really need to borrow more from the DOR system.
With a few notable exceptions, hopefully:

- NO Submission Mini-Game, where you have to try and guess what type of submission your opponent chose to put on you when they are applying a submission hold to you (in one of the DoR games, when you had a submission applied to you, the other person pressed up, down, left or right, each direction representing a different type of submission hold. You then had to guess which submission hold was chosen, and if wrong, struggle/fight your way out of the submission)

- NO longer than necessary load times. I don't see how this would become an issue, but then again, one never knows.

Some things I WOULD like to see:

+ Animated in-ring announcers when they are introducing the match and the wrestlers, instead of having them just stand there. The only time I've ever seen them move is when Kennedy shoos them out of the ring to announce himself.

+ Working secondary trons that are capable of functioning like we see on TV. Have the space on the edge of the display show the wrestlers' secondary tron instead of just a logo.

+ Custom art layers for your C-A-W's instead of pre-made logos from T-Shirts, etc. Give us what the DoR series had: a Paint like application where we have a 4-quadrant field ___ pixels × ___ pixels to create our own logos for use as tattoos, t-shirt logos, face paint etc. instead of giving us those crappy font things.
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SVR 10 will be okay. I want them to fix the CAF portion so that we can start from various positions. Not a bad first attempt, though. I would like to se more clothing/logo options for CAW attire. AND BRING BACK GM MODE
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I picked up SvR09 this year (after skipping 08) and I must say it's quite a good game. They need to improve a few things, though.

- Interrupting moves.

- Word, it makes the matches more dramatic

- Better pin and submission interruption.

-Yeah, the whole cutscene cut away is hit or miss because of the hotspot requirement.

- Stopping your own taunts (I do not understand why they took that out).

- OMG Yes. So annoying when you are stuck.

-Weapons physics. I'd especially like to see the ability to do moves on grounded chairs and whatnot, but there's something still off about them. 09 was still a huge improvement over 07 though.

- Actually, if you have the hardcore ability you can do things like DDT people onto chairs.

- Ladder Matches. They need to revamp this entirely. I hate how it takes an unrealistic amount of time to get it off. Honestly, I liked the old style of hanging onto the belt until you got it much more than the meter. Not saying they need to go that way but they need to make grabbing the belt at any time possible. Also, better ladder physics.

- Yes. I had one MITB match and it took over an hour because of the meter.

- Tables should be more accessible for any slam-like move. The table-specific moves are fine but the old system, while glitchy, allowed for much more possibilities.

- Yeah, it would be cool if only certain more powerful slams worked. And there is no reason you can't have both, but have the table specific moves activated with a finisher.

- Improved CAW. I understand why you can't use music online (copyright problems) and I understand why you can't use lettering online (pretty hard to censor something someone puts on their character), but no logos, for example, is a bit ridiculous. Also, an overall rehaul, but that's always needed.

- Word. The CAWs looked a lot better this year, at least, tho. But they still need to have a lot of the logos and stuff back that they got rid of. Again, a little borrowing from DoR (especially for the masks and create a logo) would be great.

I think the best way to improve CAW would be to build the actual wrestlers (aside from the faces, they can just use scans as the current face system is pretty robust as-is) in the same tool that's used for CAW. It would force them to improve the overall quality of the attires.

- Unlimited CAW spots. Let's face it, there's no reason to limit it now. (Do they? I didn't even notice.)

- Custom trons, built off the Highlight Reel engine.

- Yeah, no reason it can't be done now.

- Bring back Create a Taunt.

- They had this before? Sweet. Yeah, bring it back.

- Improvements to Create a Move (best new feature in 09 by far).

- Yeah, they could add a bunch more animations so we can make some of those insane indy/Japan/Mexico moves. Twould also be nice if they had some moves end in submissions and the ability to flip the animations horizontally like with the strikes.

- Allow you to play any match in any arena. I sort of see the point of the Rumble being only in the Rumble arena, but the Extreme matches ONLY in the ECW arena?

- lol wut? Hadn't noticed that. Dumb.

Honestly, I think they have the gameplay down. There are a few sections that can be improved, but the wrestling system itself is pretty great.

They really need to borrow more from the DOR system.

- This struggle submission shit is kinda hit or miss. And why do other submissions not make you tap out? I like DoR's system of submissions being a button mash battle with the meter being forced left or right by the players. For all the submissions that aren't SS they should put that in. Additionally, in DoR it was a nice touch that some submissions were better than others: Flair's Figure 4 > regular Figure 4 > basic leg lock, etc
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+ Working secondary trons that are capable of functioning like we see on TV. Have the space on the edge of the display show the wrestlers' secondary tron instead of just a logo.
Can't agree more. Entrances are so much more dynamic and vibrant now because of them. No excuse not to make use of them.
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They should just do Day of Reckoning with No Mercy's ladder system (complete with the hilarious still holding onto the ladder as it falls thing).

Or start again. It's pretty horrible right now.
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Why is one of the animations when falling off the ladder the "crotch yourself on the top rope" fall yet they can't get crotched? That has been bothering me ever since they put it in years ago.
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They should just do Day of Reckoning with No Mercy's ladder system (complete with the hilarious still holding onto the ladder as it falls thing).

Or start again. It's pretty horrible right now.
Yeah, that was awesome back in the day. And that fucking bounce that followed. No Mercy. Good times.
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They need to port over the Rumble and Hell in a Cell form Legends, they were real improvements over previous games versions.
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I still prefer DoR's cell for sure.
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They need the proper sizing for the cell (with real moves as well as cage-related moves). I loved DOR's cell but always hated the fact that you had to break an entire section to get out.
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It was only 3 Irish whips to break it.

Plus, Last Ride thru the cage followed by moonsault off the top of the cage for the 3 = WIN.
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If they put Sid in the game and a special shitting mini game you'd be all over it.

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Here's a new concept to GM mode....

What bothered me about the other GM modes was the fact that you could have 2 guys whos popularity is in the 90s and on a major PPV like Summerslam, have them go at it, and the match can have one guy dominate for 30 seconds and then be over, and it will be a 5 star rating and on WWE.com they'll say its a classic. Thats not a classic. Popularity shouldn't matter how good the match is.

They should add a feature where if you are going to have a classic match, certain objectives must be met. For example, a classic should have something like "Perform at least 5 strike attacks. At least 10 strong grapples. Receive 10 strong grapples. Attempt a submission. Kick out after 2. Do taunt" or something like that. Not only where you give punishment, but you take it as well to make it a hard fought match. Savage and Steamboat tore the house down because they went back and forth. Hope it makes sense....
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Here's a new concept to GM mode....

What bothered me about the other GM modes was the fact that you could have 2 guys whos popularity is in the 90s and on a major PPV like Summerslam, have them go at it, and the match can have one guy dominate for 30 seconds and then be over, and it will be a 5 star rating and on WWE.com they'll say its a classic. Thats not a classic. Popularity shouldn't matter how good the match is.

They should add a feature where if you are going to have a classic match, certain objectives must be met. For example, a classic should have something like "Perform at least 5 strike attacks. At least 10 strong grapples. Receive 10 strong grapples. Attempt a submission. Kick out after 2. Do taunt" or something like that. Not only where you give punishment, but you take it as well to make it a hard fought match. Savage and Steamboat tore the house down because they went back and forth. Hope it makes sense....
Or just use the current star system.

But them the WWE.com shit was always so totally out of sync, so I can't say I give a shit if they do it or don't. Just saying.
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Man, I just played a 4-way Last Man Standing match in DoR2. This needs to come back as well as interruptable moves.

HHH had Christain in a pedigree and I used my CAWs running bicycle kick special on HHH while he was in mid air and knocked him the fuck out. I love how chaotic those matches are.
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Anybody else here wish they'd also bring back Create A Championship/Create A Belt or whatever it was called that was in SvR and SvR '06? It just kind of vanished with each of the past 3 editions with no real explanation as to why.

They also really need to make online more of an enjoyable experience. It's decent right now, but they should take more time to ensure there are less bugs/glitches and such. Also, it would be great if you could have any match type online, not just an assorted handful picked by THQ.
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You'd think they'd be able to up the Rumble participants to 8 by now, at least.

Guess it'll take five gens or so before we're seeing 30 man battle royals.
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Actually the online mode is sub par.

I cannot condemn the exclusion of a Party System model (or at least something similar) enough. Any game that professes to have a quality online mode and not have a party system is fail, especially with a "everybody done, get out" lobby system like SvR's. All I need to hear is that a game doesn't have a set up like that for me to safely conclude that the online mode is utter ass (and I'd be right). I won't rag on the lag, because the game's pace is such a thing that it doesn't hurt from it. This isn't a 60fps dependent game here.
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Or just use the current star system.

But them the WWE.com shit was always so totally out of sync, so I can't say I give a shit if they do it or don't. Just saying.
isnt that the point I made about popularity?

Legends of Wrestlemania has a perfect example. In the Relive section, Hogan vs Bundy, you have to 1. Win the knuckle fight. 2. Make Bundy bleed. 3. Do Hogans finish. 4. Prevent Bundy from escaping. 5. escape and win.

prevent Bundy from escaping....theres you being on the defense. Yeah....if you have that in GM mode during a regular match and THAT determines how good teh match is....
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A finished game for the Wii which has the same features as the PS2 at the very least and at the most, the same as the 360 and PS3.

I still haven't bought 09 because of only having a PS2 and Wii, and either way I lose out
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isnt that the point I made about popularity?

Legends of Wrestlemania has a perfect example. In the Relive section, Hogan vs Bundy, you have to 1. Win the knuckle fight. 2. Make Bundy bleed. 3. Do Hogans finish. 4. Prevent Bundy from escaping. 5. escape and win.

prevent Bundy from escaping....theres you being on the defense. Yeah....if you have that in GM mode during a regular match and THAT determines how good teh match is....
Except that's not the current system they're using, it's a much more specific restricted system that would strike the majority of the fanbase as utterly retarded because they don't want to replay matches verbatim.

At that point, you might as well just skin Ninja Blade with wrestlers, since it'll have the same feel as all them QTEs.
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Yeah god, the less taken from LoW the better. Jesus christ it's as if some of you people want another terrible game.
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I want a wrestling game where I can book my own storylines, TV, PPV's and have it play out in the game. and real people can watch my show and your goal is to have your ratings stay high, while maintaining positive cash flow.

you can future endeavor people through the year and hire new people. And you have the option of buying out other gamer's companies who are doing shitty.


will this be included in this game?
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