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Old 04-24-2009, 07:20 AM   #1
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Question Cornette's opinion on WWE
http://www.jimcornette.com/Commentary.html

Jim Cornette gives his opinion on the WWE 'machine' and how Vince (I guess that's who he's blaming?) has ruined the profession / industry he loves. He does make some good points about Stephanie hiring people like her etc, but some of them are head-scratchers for me.

People are going to ask "How does he know these things?" but I dunno, he'd know moreso that we do, eh?

What are your thoughts of his commentary?
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:36 AM   #2
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:36 AM   #3
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:21 AM   #4
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http://www.jimcornette.com/Commentary.html

Jim Cornette gives his opinion on the WWE 'machine' and how Vince (I guess that's who he's blaming?) has ruined the profession / industry he loves. He does make some good points about Stephanie hiring people like her etc, but some of them are head-scratchers for me.

People are going to ask "How does he know these things?" but I dunno, he'd know moreso that we do, eh?

What are your thoughts of his commentary?
I thought he was spot on. Which ones were head-scratchers?
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:32 AM   #5
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:42 AM   #7
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Cornette is THE SHIT!!!!

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Old 04-24-2009, 10:06 AM   #8
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GREAT READING. Thats basicallt how i feel about wrestling today.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:52 AM   #9
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He's completely right, but it's sort of depressing to read as a fan.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:25 AM   #10
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Interesting read, id love to see a video version as he really gets torn into people and usually flips his lid.

Heres him talking about christian and wwe
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:29 AM   #11
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:53 AM   #12
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Yeah, TNA's booking is a giant suck hole. That's for sure.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:30 PM   #13
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It's funny that TNA's best booker isn't booking for them.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:41 PM   #14
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Interesting read, id love to see a video version as he really gets torn into people and usually flips his lid.

Heres him talking about christian and wwe
Cornette brings up interesting points, but why again isn't he head booker of a promotion again?
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:53 PM   #15
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TNA is run by morons

WWE only allows for one wrestling "genius": Vince
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:15 PM   #16
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According to his assessment, TNA has a good chance since Jarrett has a lot of control there. But I wonder if he was actually being critical of how TNA is doing things as well, even though he never dropped the name.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:18 PM   #17
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Interesting read, id love to see a video version as he really gets torn into people and usually flips his lid.

Heres him talking about christian and wwe
Ya know, Cornette seems like "a decent guy" or whatever, but I hope Christian DOES eventually end up on RAW or SD!, feud with Edge over the World Heavyweight Title, and then win the title, just to make Cornette eat some humble pie (and of course, because he deserves a main event title run, which as much as I hate to say it, Cornette was right on that [about how Vince has allowed politics in WWE to cloud his once 20/20 vision {metaphorically speaking, of course}] and many other points in the interview...But I will give him his +1 for at least that one specific point about Vince allowing Trips and others influence him.
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Old 04-24-2009, 01:27 PM   #18
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It's funny that TNA's best booker isn't booking for them.
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It's funny that TNA's best booker isn't booking for them.
yea they would be ok if they fire ruso and let cornette take over booking.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:48 PM   #20
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:52 PM   #21
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I agree with everything he said.
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:38 PM   #22
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Wrestling is a talent-driven industry.The stars are ultimately the ones the fans pay to see, or watch on TV. But never in our sport's history have people who have no experience and background in or respect for our industry had so much control over those who do. And that's sad, for the wrestlers AND the fans.
Very accurate quote and I agree with it wholeheartedly.
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There were people internally quietly saying the segment was awful, and Brian Gewirtz (WWE "writer") was very defensive of it, saying those people just don't understand good comedy."
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Old 04-24-2009, 04:05 PM   #24
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That there should be handed out with your "employee hand book" when ur at ur welcome to the company meeting" (if they have all that! lol)

Bang on the money, and as Vastardikai said it's that TNA's best booker isn't booking for them. Fucking tools.

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Old 04-24-2009, 04:16 PM   #25
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Ya know, Cornette seems like "a decent guy" or whatever, but I hope Christian DOES eventually end up on RAW or SD!, feud with Edge over the World Heavyweight Title, and then win the title, just to make Cornette eat some humble pie (and of course, because he deserves a main event title run, which as much as I hate to say it, Cornette was right on that [about how Vince has allowed politics in WWE to cloud his once 20/20 vision {metaphorically speaking, of course}] and many other points in the interview...But I will give him his +1 for at least that one specific point about Vince allowing Trips and others influence him.
So you would like to see Christian make it to the top to make the guy you think is bang on be wrong and be forced to "eat humble pie?"
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Old 04-24-2009, 04:32 PM   #26
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Wrestling isnt the same as it was 10 let alone 20 years ago. WWE is only trying to cover their assets, bringing in someone from TNA and giving them a title or putting them on one of their best shows would only validate TNA. MVP is way more deserving of being in a title shot on a top show more so than Christan, granted, it doesn't make for as good of drama or a show, but thats what the business has turned into. The only thing Cornette did in this rant is feed the wannabe smarks that think they really and truly understand anything about the 'backstage' food that they eat up, myself included.
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Old 04-24-2009, 04:33 PM   #27
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i'm even more in love with cornette now. very well written article.
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Old 04-24-2009, 05:03 PM   #28
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I love Cornette. He makes strong and agreeable points.

The only bad things I can say about Cornette and his viewpoints are that he's a bit bitter, and he himself is guilty of having an "80s rasslin" mindset when it comes to booking. That isn't to say he's not right, or not the man. Just his two major weaknesses.
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Old 04-24-2009, 05:21 PM   #29
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Ya know, Cornette seems like "a decent guy" or whatever, but I hope Christian DOES eventually end up on RAW or SD!, feud with Edge over the World Heavyweight Title, and then win the title, just to make Cornette eat some humble pie (and of course, because he deserves a main event title run, which as much as I hate to say it, Cornette was right on that [about how Vince has allowed politics in WWE to cloud his once 20/20 vision {metaphorically speaking, of course}] and many other points in the interview...But I will give him his +1 for at least that one specific point about Vince allowing Trips and others influence him.
Cornette never said he couldn't be a champ in wwe, just not a megastar like The Rock or Austin.
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Old 04-24-2009, 05:21 PM   #30
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Also, am I the only one who thinks cornette is just stating the obvious, here?
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Old 04-24-2009, 05:28 PM   #31
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So you would like to see Christian make it to the top to make the guy you think is bang on be wrong and be forced to "eat humble pie?"

That wasn't my only reason if you read my whole post, but thanks for taking that out of context.

I also said he deserved a main event title run, for the record.
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Also, am I the only one who thinks cornette is just stating the obvious, here?
he is, he just articulates it better than other people i've heard say the same things a million times over.
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Yeah, I've said similar things in less articulated threads and posts. I'd gladly sum it up as "WWE sucks now" and be good with it.
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God damn, Cornette hit it on the head.

That shit just depressed me, not going towards Cornette himself, but how he brought ALOT to the light. Its like the WWE is turning into a conglomerate and knows they can overprice everyone because the nearest competition is "an hour away", so to speak. Its crazy that the WWE COULD actually be very exciting right now with the cast of characters they have. CM Punk is a prime example. I KNOW CM could be the top guy in the business RIGHT NOW, not because i am a fan of his, but he displays a new generation. He doesn't LOOK like Vince's type of wrestler, but Vince almost had no choice but to hire him because CM had such an underground fanbase with his ring work and mic skills.

Sometimes i wonder...should we be as negative towards HHH as we are? I'm not saying that he hasn't had his share of political usage, but Cornette has a point. If i were the son-in-law and married to the boss's daughter and she was running the company like she is now, would i say how i REALLY felt? I mean even though HHH has been a key factor in the boom era of the WWF/E, he can just as easily be forgotten (*cough* Macho Man *cough*). I mean just imagine what the WWE has right now:

First of all, i like ECW like alot of people here, but c'mon, i'd rather Vince send it out like a "hall of fame" type exit i.e. One Night Stand than to have him run it like he is.

John Morrison
Kofi Kingston
CM Punk
MVP
Shelton Benjamin (who should be one of the biggest faces in the company IMO by now)
THE Brian Kendrick
Evan Bourne
The Miz
HHH
John Cena
HBK
Undertaker
Randy Orton
T. Dibiase
Cody Rhodes
Dolph Ziggler
Batista
Ken Kennedy (whenever he comes back)
Matt Hardy
Jeff Hardy
Hell, even Great Khali
Big Show
Colon Bros.
R-Truth
EDGE
Jack Swagger
Mark Henry
Finlay & Hornswaggle
The Women's Division
Regal (if he's still there)
CHRISTIAN
Rey Mysterio
Chris Jericho

If i'm missing anyone, sorry. But come the fuck on....with a roster like that, with JUST RAW & SD! has WWE's only weekly shows and PPVs, you CANNOT tell me that this list couldn't take the WWE almost where it was 9 years ago.

Fuck, if booked right, these are DREAM fueds:


-Morrison(T)/HBK(F)
-CM Punk(H)/Edge(T/F)
-CM Punk(F)/Cena(F)..you know he can be no other way right now lol
-HHH(H)/CM Punk(F)
-CM Punk(H)/Orton(F)
-Orton(H)/Edge(T/F)
-Kendrick(T)/Rey Mysterio(F) - IC strap
-Morrison(F)/HHH(H)
-Evan Bourne & Rey Mysterio as unified tag champs (F)
-TBK, Ezikiel, Miz, & Dolph Ziggler in a group (H)
-Ziggler actually getting a decent push for a IC run once he gets his promo work on point
-UT part time and challenging anyone to stop his streak. One more title run couldn't hurt
-Christian(F)/Edge(H)
-Orton(T)/Cena(H) (WrestleMania main event right there..could be HUGE if built right)
-Jeff Hardy (if he stays around and does a limited role or something..plz stay Jeff lol), Morrison, TBK (as a Pillman-type face), Ezikiel, MAYBE Shelton, as a group (F)<<<
-MVP(F)/HHH(F/H)<<
-MVP(F)/Edge(H)
-MVP(F)/HBK(F)<
-MVP(F)/CM Punk(H)
-HBK(F)/CM Punk(H) - GREAT WHC/WWE Championship match for a PPV.
-Matt Hardy/CM Punk as a tag team (H)
-Kofi Kingston(F)/HBK(F)
-Kingston(F)/Edge(H)
-Evan Bourne/Kingston as a tag team(F)
-Carlito/Bourne as tag team. Name: Bourne Cool...lol just dreaming i guess (H)
-Jericho(H)/Morrison(F)
-Jericho/CM Punk as MASSIVE heel unit (H)
-Morrison, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy/Kofi Kingston as a faction (F)


I mean i could go on all day. That shit literally took me like 7 mins to come up with...im pretty sure that people will have opinions/add-ons to this but i think this would make some good tv...like i said, WITHOUT ECW, just RAW and SD!.

lol can't tell me some of that isn't mouth-watering

oh yea, for anyone who isn't familiar with (F),(H),(T) lingo, c'mon, use your imagination
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That was a great read. I've never been a huge fan of Cornette's on-air character(s), but the man is a genius.
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It sends chills down my spine to think of what this man could accomplish if he was given the book in TNA over Russo. TNA has got so much talent right now that it's unbelieveable, there is just no one with real respect for the wrestlers to allow them to use their talents the right way.

Kurt Angle and Booker T have both been quite vocal about putting over younger talent -- what are they doing? Headlining PPVs. Kurt Angle in the X-Division is something that could really fucking help TNA out, and is something Angle has said he would be willing to do. Booker T has created his Legends Title, which is perfect for his heel character to use to put over young guys (and he truthfully sort of has).

With those two out of the main event, guys that have a lot going for them, and could potentially draw money, like Samoa Joe and Matt Morgan (there, I said it) can be given shots in the main event. And if that doesn't work, then they can easily be replaced by proven success stories in TNA, like AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels.
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The problem is, Dixie Carter knows less about the business than even Stephanie McMahon, so she relies on people who she thinks knows. Unfortunately, she's relying on Jeff "Never drew a dime" Jarrett, Dutch "kept my mouth shut after Bruiser Brody got Murdered" Mantell, and Vince "let's make David Arquette WCW Champion." Russo.
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