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Old 07-14-2009, 06:25 AM   #1
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Guys that fucked up their own pushes
We here, in the IWC, often bitch about guys who are kept down -- whether it be missed opportunities to push a particular talent, or the continued refusal by "McMahonagement" (as I've heard it referred to around the place) to allow the ascension of a particular talent -- despite their ability or popularity.

But which talent comes to mind as being ones to fuck up their own push? How many guys can you think of that the WWE said "Yep, you're going places to," before they pretty much sent a giant "fuck you" to the WWE by doing something incredibly stupid?

William Regal, The Brian Kendrick and, of course, Rob Van Dam come to my mind.

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Old 07-14-2009, 07:32 AM   #2
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See, I knew situations like this would come up. I think guys like these merit discussion. Did Billy Gunn really fuck up his push? How? Whenver I saw the guy, I liked him, but I never thought he was pushed particularly hard (this is during his run as "The One"). I saw him make it to the Final Four in the 2001 Royal Rumble, and I wanted to see more from him.

What is the story behind him never amounting to anything after winning the 1999 King of the Ring?
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:11 AM   #5
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See, I knew situations like this would come up. I think guys like these merit discussion. Did Billy Gunn really fuck up his push? How? Whenver I saw the guy, I liked him, but I never thought he was pushed particularly hard (this is during his run as "The One"). I saw him make it to the Final Four in the 2001 Royal Rumble, and I wanted to see more from him.

What is the story behind him never amounting to anything after winning the 1999 King of the Ring?
I think Billy Gunn was a victim of his own abilities. I see it as a lesson in booking people beyond what people can accept. Yeah he was popular in DX and was a good upper midcard/Intercontinental champ but once they tried pushing him into the main event, having him win King of the Ring and beyond people just didn't buy it. I can't remember much about the Billy Gunn/Rock programme that followed except The Rock keep on taking the piss out of Billy Gunn. 'My name's Billy' in a kid's voice and then kept on saying that he 'sucked'. In fact didn't they fight at Summerslam. I'm going to have to look this up because I'd blanked a lot of this out.
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I think Billy Gunn was a victim of his own abilities. I see it as a lesson in booking people beyond what people can accept. Yeah he was popular in DX and was a good upper midcard/Intercontinental champ but once they tried pushing him into the main event, having him win King of the Ring and beyond people just didn't buy it. I can't remember much about the Billy Gunn/Rock programme that followed except The Rock keep on taking the piss out of Billy Gunn. 'My name's Billy' in a kid's voice and then kept on saying that he 'sucked'. In fact didn't they fight at Summerslam. I'm going to have to look this up because I'd blanked a lot of this out.
I vaguely remember it being called a kiss my ass match.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:49 AM   #9
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Jeff Hardy has fucked up his own push multiple times. This is why, practically speaking, he should never be let near the ME scene.
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I'd consider Jeff Nero one. The guy was slated to win Money in the Bank in 2008, I believe. Granted, this is all just speculation, but assuming that to be the case, Hardy would have likely cashed in on RAW, and become one of, if not the top face in the WWE. I think that counts.

Guys like Test, Chris Masters and Mr. Kennedy I wouldn't count. Unless I am missing something. Test was always loved by the WWE, but he was never really pushed "hard out" as a major contender for any World Title, or anything. I remember people were clamouring for him to beat The Undertaker at Summerslam 2002, and he got beat. I'd say he was more a victim of the glass ceiling and the WWE's reluctance to put younger guys over, more than anything.

I don't think Kennedy being injured during critical times in his career were neccessarily his fault. Some guys prove that injuries do not dampen your success (see: Batista, Dave). I think the biggest problem Kennedy met was being caught on RAW, and then turning face.

Chris Masters was poorly treated by the WWE, in my opinion. Jim Cornette pegged him as a possible major star for the company (his previous predictions were John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton and Matt Morgan -- so the guy has a good track record), but he was brought in way too early, was given a tired character, given a shit finishing move, and was pushed way too hard way too fast. Then the WWE tells guys to lay off the steroids, and when the roided up physique of Masters disappeared, the WWE turned him into a joke? All the dude needed was more time to learn and develop. And a character with more dimensions to play.
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I don't think Kennedy being injured during critical times in his career were neccessarily his fault. Some guys prove that injuries do not dampen your success (see: Batista, Dave). I think the biggest problem Kennedy met was being caught on RAW, and then turning face.
Kennedy also had the whole steroids suspension, which could be why people are bringing him up. He may not have been the one who fucked himself over most of the time, but certainly he fucked himself there. Not to mention he's likely injury prone because he was on steroids.
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Kennedy also had the whole steroids suspension, which could be why people are bringing him up. He may not have been the one who fucked himself over most of the time, but certainly he fucked himself there. Not to mention he's likely injury prone because he was on steroids.
That did pass through my head, but I don't think this really hurt him too much. When he returned from his suspension, he was made to look like he could hang in the main event. He still had his feud with Shawn Michaels to come.
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:13 AM   #13
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:37 AM   #14
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:43 AM   #15
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I'll throw in DH Smith as another candidate. Not like he was getting a huge push, but he picked up a few wins to start his WWE career...got suspended...came back and wrestled in like three matches (jobbing mightily in all of them) in a 5 month span...then got drafted to SmackDown and was never seen again until he got drafted to ECW to be part of The Hart Dynasty.

If he had avoided suspension, I could have seen him being a servicable enough midcarder on Raw, probably would have just stayed there rather than move to SD and would have been a part of Legacy.
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Brock Lesnar? how?

If anything, he fucked up the WWE's plans. He's UFC Champion right now. I'd say he's doing pretty well
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If anything, he fucked up the WWE's plans.
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I know RVD was pulled over and got possession charges, but I don't think he really fucked up his push. I think the WWE pussied out on what could've been a huge opportunity.

Marijuana is huge in this country. While he may have alienated some of his fans after the incident, he also probably gained a lot of them too. Not only that, but the publicity and controversy surrounding him could have brought in more casual fans.

I mean, you had a guy getting drunk in the ring every night (Austin) and he was World Champion several times. You have a guy who smokes weed and his push is immediately killed. It's just bullshit STIGMA surrounding marijuana.
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I know RVD was pulled over and got possession charges, but I don't think he really fucked up his push. I think the WWE pussied out on what could've been a huge opportunity.

Marijuana is huge in this country. While he may have alienated some of his fans after the incident, he also probably gained a lot of them too. Not only that, but the publicity and controversy surrounding him could have brought in more casual fans.

I mean, you had a guy getting drunk in the ring every night (Austin) and he was World Champion several times. You have a guy who smokes weed and his push is immediately killed. It's just bullshit STIGMA surrounding marijuana.
You do know RVD wasn't just in possession of weed, right? Also, it might have brought in more fans, but would have got WWE in trouble with its shareholders and spurred another fraud investigation, to say the least.

The idea of picking up fans is to then benefit you via income. It would be fucking stupid to do it in a fashion that would then cost them money and possibly lead to more severe penalties.

The moral of this story: Don't be stupid, kids.
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You do know RVD wasn't just in possession of weed, right? Also, it might have brought in more fans, but would have got WWE in trouble with its shareholders and spurred another fraud investigation, to say the least.

The idea of picking up fans is to then benefit you via income. It would be fucking stupid to do it in a fashion that would then cost them money and possibly lead to more severe penalties.

The moral of this story: Don't be stupid, kids.
This, but on a more superficial, on-screen level: The dude was both WWE Champion and ECW Champion. His WWE Title reign was probably not going to be an epic one, or anything, but I think it ended even sooner than planned, and the plug was also pulled on him being anything but a "popular player" in the WWE (a role he had been playing for years).

RVD finally made it to the stage where he could be considered a permanent main eventer, and he fucked it up by spitting in the trust the WWE gave him. This also led to RVD getting fed up and wanting out of the WWE (not the sole reason, mind you). It damaged RVD's relationship with the WWE, and made him look weaker on-screen.
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Marijuana is huge in this country. While he may have alienated some of his fans, stock holders, sponsors, arenas, vendors, potential fans, corporate partners, etc after the incident
Yea, it's not always just about the fans.
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I know RVD was pulled over and got possession charges, but I don't think he really fucked up his push. I think the WWE pussied out on what could've been a huge opportunity.

Marijuana is huge in this country. While he may have alienated some of his fans after the incident, he also probably gained a lot of them too. Not only that, but the publicity and controversy surrounding him could have brought in more casual fans.

I mean, you had a guy getting drunk in the ring every night (Austin) and he was World Champion several times. You have a guy who smokes weed and his push is immediately killed. It's just bullshit STIGMA surrounding marijuana.
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but what did he do that was so stupid?

To me this thread is more about the guys doing drugs and what not
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but what did he do that was so stupid?

To me this thread is more about the guys doing drugs and what not
left to play football, where he failed. had he stayed in the WWE, i'm sure he'd be close to rock/austin status by now.

yeah he did make it in UFC, but that was quite some time afterwards.
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left to play football, where he failed. had he stayed in the WWE, i'm sure he'd be close to rock/austin status by now.

yeah he did make it in UFC, but that was quite some time afterwards.
lol yeah I'm sure he'd rather be on the way to dying from heart failure than playing legit professional sports.
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This, but on a more superficial, on-screen level: The dude was both WWE Champion and ECW Champion. His WWE Title reign was probably not going to be an epic one, or anything, but I think it ended even sooner than planned, and the plug was also pulled on him being anything but a "popular player" in the WWE (a role he had been playing for years).

RVD finally made it to the stage where he could be considered a permanent main eventer, and he fucked it up by spitting in the trust the WWE gave him. This also led to RVD getting fed up and wanting out of the WWE (not the sole reason, mind you). It damaged RVD's relationship with the WWE, and made him look weaker on-screen.
Yeah, that was stupid of RVD. But on the plus side, it demonstrated how unprofessional he is.

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Yea, it's not always just about the fans.


Fan entitlement. "Who cares if he doesn't give a shit, and there could be criminal repercussions! I like pot and I like RVD!"

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lol yeah I'm sure he'd rather be on the way to dying from heart failure than playing legit professional sports.
Yeah, but the IWC tends towards sour grapes.
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wow, he played one year. give the guy a break. they offered him a contract to go play in Europe, but he declined and went to MMA instead.

look at him now. Lesnar wins
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wow, he played one year. give the guy a break. they offered him a contract to go play in Europe, but he declined and went to MMA instead.

look at him now. Lesnar wins
Indeed. I'm gonna stick this under "don't be stupid, part two." Guy gets more money for a few minutes of fighting than he does for busting his ass for months. LAWL WHAT A LOSER.
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The thread asked who fucked up their WWE push, not their life.

I never said Brock wasn't succesful. dont put words in my mouth.
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The thread asked who fucked up their WWE push, not their life.

I never said Brock wasn't succesful. dont put words in my mouth.
Brock doesn't really fit into this category. He left on his own will because he felt the WWE lifestyle was burning him out, and despite a failed attempt at a career in football, he went onto to win the IWGP title and the obvious career in MMA.

Everyone else in mentioned in this thread are guys who wanted to wrestle at the top, and by their own misfortune or stupidity, have failed to do so. It's not the same, simply because Brock doesn't want to be in the WWE anymore. He doesn't want to be the next HHH or Austin, and rightly too, because he's making a killing in UFC.
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