TPWW Forums  

Go Back   TPWW Forums > w r e s t l i n g > wrestling forum
Reload this Page What defines today's top Superstars?
Register Members List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-30-2009, 10:37 PM   #1
Juan
Doin' It Right
 
Juan's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,460
Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
What defines today's top Superstars?
Vince McMahon: It's everything that people don't see. It's easy to say from a visual standpoint that bigger is better in reference to past eras of WWF. But take The Warlord, for example. He was enormous — one of the most visually impressive Superstars we've had — but he couldn't sell five tickets. He had no charisma, no "gift of gab," which is what really sets apart today's Superstars, even if they may not be as physically intimidating. Someone like CM Punk, even though he's a good-looking guy, isn't built like that. He probably weighs less than I do. But today's fans are drawn to his confidence and charisma. Those are the things a Superstar exudes, and they translate though the television set.

Juan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2009, 11:01 PM   #2
DaVe
yeah nah good mate
 
DaVe's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,499
DaVe is a chill bro (7,500+)DaVe is a chill bro (7,500+)DaVe is a chill bro (7,500+)DaVe is a chill bro (7,500+)DaVe is a chill bro (7,500+)
Where'd you get this?

But yeap, that's what has defined superstars in the last decade.
DaVe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #3
DrA
 
Posts: 24,527
DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)DrA makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Crass act to talk about The Warlord like that.
DrA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2009, 11:15 PM   #4
Juan
Doin' It Right
 
Juan's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,460
Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Juan makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
I got it from one of the dirtsheets, but the quote is from WWE Magazine
Juan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 12:05 AM   #5
legendkillerRKO
 
legendkillerRKO's Avatar
 
Posts: 719
legendkillerRKO is "reptacular" (2,500+)legendkillerRKO is "reptacular" (2,500+)legendkillerRKO is "reptacular" (2,500+)
McMahon givin a rub to Punk!? O god Vince dont fuck up wht he has goin by tryin to take over his character!
legendkillerRKO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 12:15 AM   #6
The Gold Standard
 
The Gold Standard's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,365
The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)The Gold Standard has a great deal of rep (15,000+)
This is 100% true. I believe that was one of the reasons that The Rock and Austin first got over. Yeah they were great wrestlers, but their mic skills were great.
The Gold Standard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 11:07 AM   #7
Rammsteinmad
TPWW's #3 Peep
 
Rammsteinmad's Avatar
 
Posts: 20,903
Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Sooooooo it's pretty much saying what we already know. To get over you need mic skills and charisma to get over.

Clearly wrestling itself doesn't matter too much.
Rammsteinmad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 11:32 AM   #8
kareru
TPWW's Hardcore Legend
 
kareru's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,502
kareru is "reptacular" (2,500+)kareru is "reptacular" (2,500+)kareru is "reptacular" (2,500+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad View Post
Sooooooo it's pretty much saying what we already know. To get over you need mic skills and charisma to get over.

Clearly wrestling itself doesn't matter too much.
not always, if you cast your mind back to no mercy 1999 you may remember 2 tag teams that were lower mid carders at the time put on an absolutely fantastic match, and that match got those teams over greatly especially jeff hardy
kareru is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 11:50 AM   #9
Ermaximus
It's High Noon!
 
Ermaximus's Avatar
 
Posts: 15,703
Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad View Post
Sooooooo it's pretty much saying what we already know. To get over you need mic skills and charisma to get over.

Clearly wrestling itself doesn't matter too much.
Agreed. Perfect examples=Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas.
Ermaximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 12:17 PM   #10
FourFifty
As over as Crystal Pepsi
 
FourFifty's Avatar
 
Posts: 21,639
FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)FourFifty got the bus to Rep Town and repped it up real bad at the rep shop (100,000+)
Does this mean Punk is in the dog house?




But seriously, being the top guy is a combination of everything. You need to be a "solid" ring worker (even if you only know 5 moves of doom), a good look, a connection with the fans, and a connection with the people backstage. You can be the most talented wrestler in the industry in the ring who can make Hulk Hogan look like Nick Bockwinkel, but if you're missing one attribute then you're stuck in the mid card (See: Shelton Benjamin).
FourFifty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 02:11 PM   #11
Rammsteinmad
TPWW's #3 Peep
 
Rammsteinmad's Avatar
 
Posts: 20,903
Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kareru View Post
not always, if you cast your mind back to no mercy 1999 you may remember 2 tag teams that were lower mid carders at the time put on an absolutely fantastic match, and that match got those teams over greatly especially jeff hardy
But all four people had charisma, which is why they lasted so long.

Like Ermaximus said, people like Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are both great wrestlers, but without the right mic skills they're going nowhere.

For the record, both Benjamin and Haas COULD have the skills if they were given the chance to work on them. Haas has done some funny stuff in the past and Benjamin as a heel had some potential.
Rammsteinmad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 02:15 PM   #12
Rammsteinmad
TPWW's #3 Peep
 
Rammsteinmad's Avatar
 
Posts: 20,903
Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Rammsteinmad makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FourFifty View Post
But seriously, being the top guy is a combination of everything. You need to be a "solid" ring worker (even if you only know 5 moves of doom), a good look, a connection with the fans, and a connection with the people backstage. You can be the most talented wrestler in the industry in the ring who can make Hulk Hogan look like Nick Bockwinkel, but if you're missing one attribute then you're stuck in the mid card (See: Shelton Benjamin).


Like I said above, Benjamin could have good mic skills if he was given a chance to improve them, but the general impression I get is that he's given a storyline, cuts two or three promos, the powers-that-be decide he doesn't have mic skills and that's his career over with.

Instead of helping him improve and develop they cut him off completely and look for the next star.
Rammsteinmad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 02:19 PM   #13
Ermaximus
It's High Noon!
 
Ermaximus's Avatar
 
Posts: 15,703
Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad View Post
But all four people had charisma, which is why they lasted so long.

Like Ermaximus said, people like Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas are both great wrestlers, but without the right mic skills they're going nowhere.

For the record, both Benjamin and Haas COULD have the skills if they were given the chance to work on them. Haas has done some funny stuff in the past and Benjamin as a heel had some potential.
Sadly enough, Shelton's best claim to fame anymore is being the guy that's always in the MITB and pulls off sick spots, but never wins. As for Haas, he's just there anymore.
Ermaximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 02:21 PM   #14
Innovator
Inno Knows.
 
Innovator's Avatar
 
Posts: 43,710
Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Innovator makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
HA, Warload
Innovator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2009, 02:30 PM   #15
Ermaximus
It's High Noon!
 
Ermaximus's Avatar
 
Posts: 15,703
Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)Ermaximus makes a lot of good posts (200,000+)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Innovator View Post
HA, Warload
He was a given. He was doomed from the start. Reminds me of a few others that were too. Nathan Jones is a prime example.
Ermaximus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:16 PM.

Forums Home - TPWW - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin®