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Old 10-20-2009, 08:56 AM   #1
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Ted DiBiase
I am yet to see RAW, but I read amazing things about Ted DiBiase's "match" with Randy Orton this week. Basically Orton and DiBiase had a match, and Orton wanted DiBiase to fall into line and not fight back, and take a beating like a man for pinning him the previous week.

From the sounds of it, the fans REALLY wanted to see DiBiase snap and kick the shit out of Orton. Of course, Teddy didn't, but it sounds like a brilliant way to get the fans into DiBiase as a face. Instead of just "turning him," they are giving the fans reasons to care about him, and really demand he turn face.

This reminds me of what I wish they had done in 2004 with Randy Orton, when the turmoil with Evolution came up. Orton was getting a lot of crowd support, and turning him face was not a bad move, per se, but when they pulled the trigger as predictably as they did, it didn't take long for Orton to run out of steam as a face (it happened almost instantly).

I'll see RAW tomorrow, but there wasn't too much discussion about this in the RAW thread. What did everyone think of this? Do you think this storyline could turn DiBiase into a big face for the company?

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:59 AM   #2
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Noid, that crowd wanted Dibiase to litterally fuck Orton up. They were so behind him it wasn't even funny. At least until the finish anyways. I'm not sure if the pop was more so for Dibiase himself or for the fact they wanted to see Orton get his ass beat.
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I honestly think so. The fact that they are building this turn slowly proves they are going to invest in Ted and I believe he will be champion in 2010
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Noid, that crowd wanted Dibiase to litterally fuck Orton up. They were so behind him it wasn't even funny. At least until the finish anyways. I'm not sure if the pop was more so for Dibiase himself or for the fact they wanted to see Orton get his ass beat.
That is Orton being a good heel. I'm not as high on Orton as some, but if he is so despised that anyone that goes up against him is instantly mega-over -- more power to the man. As long as asses get put in the seats.
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I honestly think so. The fact that they are building this turn slowly proves they are going to invest in Ted and I believe he will be champion in 2010
There have been a lot of hints that the WWE want to invest in Ted DiBiase (putting him in The Marine 2 being one of the earliest examples, as well as early rumours that he is being considered as a candidate to end The Undertaker's streak), but recently he has looked more like a star and less like a "future star if the WWE use him right." The program with DX and his pin over Orton being good evidence.

The only thing that bothered me about it was that I couldn't see how they could suddenly have DiBiase go from heel lackey to being heroic face without it seeming so arbitrary. The story is there now, though. DiBiase has proven that he can beat guys like John Cena, Batista, Triple H, Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton (having wins over all of them at some point in his career), but he's choosing not to for now, and that is setting up the point where he does decide to go into business for himself -- and I think the fans will buy it hook, line and sinker.

For some reason, I'm feeling Ted DiBiase as a possible 2010 Money in the Bank winner, and him then coming out one night after Orton is down, after a hellacious contest. DiBiase, holding his briefcase, looks at Orton smiling -- and Orton knows exactly what it is up. New WWE Champion, Ted DiBiase.

But that is just one of the many possible ways they could do it.
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So you think that Dibiase will help Cena maybe? He doesn't have a match at Bragging Rights.
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So you think that Dibiase will help Cena maybe? He doesn't have a match at Bragging Rights.
I've thought about this, but I hope he doesn't. I think it would be too soon to pull the trigger on face DiBiase. Especially after RAW, which implies that he still wants to be a member of Legacy...for now. I also think the helping Cena, while getting the kids and ladies into him at first, would keep him in such a secondary role.

I'd rather see Ted DiBiase come out during the match, grab a steel chair, consider hitting Orton, but then blast John Cena with it. DiBiase seals Cena's fate, and proves that he is absolutely an integral part of Orton's success as WWE Champion. This can continue building a love-hate relationship with the fans, as they will want him to turn on Orton, but they'll also be pissed that he's not -- and that be did successfully help banish Cena from RAW. And when he does turn, Teddy will have proven to be so crucial to Orton's success that it means something. I think the WWE have to really make Ted DiBiase seem important to Orton before they turn him. If the fans feel that he is holding Orton's fate in his hands (to some degree), they will buy him as more of a threat when he turns. It won't just emotionally be a good thing for the fans wanting to see Orton lose the WWE Title, but it'd also be a practical victory for them.

It also clears up RAW a bit, and without Cena or Batista there anymore, it creates a little more room for DiBiase to move up (eventually) as a major player. Hell, if they can find a way to do it, officially move Big Show over to SmackDown!, too, and clean up RAW's main event scene even more.
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So have a main event on Raw of HHH, HBK, Orton, Dibiase?
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So have a main event on Raw of HHH, HBK, Orton, Dibiase?
Cody Rhodes is right there, too. He's got so much potential, as well, and is also being treated very well by the WWE. I don't know where he'll fit into everything, but I can see him being a major player on RAW when DiBiase grows into one.

You also have MVP on the wings. He's lost so much steam since coming to RAW, but I'd like to see him get that potential back. Also, as former ECW Champions and members of Team RAW, I think Jack Swagger and Mark Henry deserve more than to be "mid-carders." Kofi Kingston is also on the rise.
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Cody Rhodes is right there, too. He's got so much potential, as well, and is also being treated very well by the WWE. I don't know where he'll fit into everything, but I can see him being a major player on RAW when DiBiase grows into one.

You also have MVP on the wings. He's lost so much steam since coming to RAW, but I'd like to see him get that potential back. Also, as former ECW Champions and members of Team RAW, I think Jack Swagger and Mark Henry deserve more than to be "mid-carders." Kofi Kingston is also on the rise.
MVP go little to no reaction last night during that 5 on 5 tag match. It was kind of sad actually.
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MVP go little to no reaction last night during that 5 on 5 tag match. It was kind of sad actually.
It is. I was thinking just the other day how MVP seems to be in a similar position to Shelton Benjamin. There were periods when both seemed like "sure things," but then being lost in limbo sort of decreased interest in seeing them succeed as main event players.

It might be a bit uninspired, but an MVP heel turn could freshen him up a bit. He could actually get bitter that the fans aren't cheering him, and that Mark Henry is doing better than him. All that crap.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:07 AM   #12
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Could work, but Noid, I gotta ask. Who was the last black World Champ in the WWE? I honestly have no clue. I want to say Atlas, but I'm sure there was someone after that, wasn't there?
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Rock was half black, after him...um.....
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I think Ted DiBiase shouldn't turn face for another year. He's still too new to make a big splash.
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Hmmm. Perhaps I misread my WWE Encyclopedia. I'll have to reference this once I get home.
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Could work, but Noid, I gotta ask. Who was the last black World Champ in the WWE? I honestly have no clue. I want to say Atlas, but I'm sure there was someone after that, wasn't there?
Bobby Lashley?
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A double turn occurred at Survivor Series, when The Rock defeated the then-villain Mankind in the finals of the "Deadly Game" tournament[40] for the vacant WWF Championship,[41] to become the first world heavyweight champion of African American descent in WWF history and the youngest WWF Champion at the time.

This always bugged me.

I mean, how is The Rock of African American descent exactly?
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He won the ECW Title, but as we all know, ECW champs apparently don't mean a damn thing. Cuz if they did you could say Mark Henry as well.
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A double turn occurred at Survivor Series, when The Rock defeated the then-villain Mankind in the finals of the "Deadly Game" tournament[40] for the vacant WWF Championship,[41] to become the first world heavyweight champion of African American descent in WWF history and the youngest WWF Champion at the time.

This always bugged me.

I mean, how is The Rock of African American descent exactly?
His dad was black, but his mom was samoan. Granted he looks more samoan than anything else.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:23 PM   #25
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Who was the last black World Champ in the WWE?
JOHN CENA!
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:23 PM   #26
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JOHN CENA!
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:17 PM   #27
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As he doesnt have a match this Sunday , I'm expecting him to either cost Orton the match, or else taking a punt to the head as filming for the Marine 2 is right around the corner.

Maybe even John Cena cutting a promo about DiBiase or speakin to him backstage or something on sunday?

Either way, I reckon DiBiase will be involved in the main event storyline of some sort this Sunday.


And I predict he'll be the Rumble winner. What better way to sell DVDS than have your main character win the rumble and go to mania.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:20 PM   #28
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The Marine 2 has already been filmed
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:20 PM   #29
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Filming is around the corner and the release date is in less than two months?

Some piece of cinematography it will be.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:36 PM   #31
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Oh, fuck.

Didn't read Jayman's previous post.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:39 PM   #33
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I haven't seen the first Marine.

Do you think it's good for watching shitfaced?
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:48 PM   #34
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it has enough action and explosions in it so yeah
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:37 PM   #35
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Just wanted to say that I think Randy Orton looks fucking terrible without any hair? I mean WTF I totally wasn't expecting him to be bald!!! Come on grow it out a bit more again!
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Just wanted to say that I think Randy Orton looks fucking terrible without any hair? I mean WTF I totally wasn't expecting him to be bald!!! Come on grow it out a bit more again!
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:20 PM   #37
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Randy Orton is looking more like Voldemort every day.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:36 PM   #38
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Im going to say this again: when DiBiase finally snaps on Orton and pounds the hell out of him, the result should be Orton being happy about it, telling DiBiase that he finally grew some balls, and that he earned Orton's respect. Keep DiBiase heel for a good bit after that, don't turn him until he gains the legitimacy to be a real threat to Orton, instead of turning him too fast the way they did Orton. Seriously, the night that Evolution turned on Orton, HHH's thumb should have stayed up. It should have been the start of months of Orton being paranoid about Evolution, before HHH turned against Orton in a far more sensible way. Among other excellent things, that would have kept Batista out of the title picture for another year at least.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:43 PM   #39
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I don't really care about DiBiase's turn. Haven't seen enough of him to state my opinion.

But what I do know, is that I'd mark out for Orton's tweener turn.
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I'm really betting WWE screws up this slow burn buildup and turns Ted at Bragging Rights.
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