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Old 01-18-2010, 07:00 PM   #1
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After some ringside fans turned their back on Sean Morley's win last night, a Universal Studios employee named Bernadette approached fans and warned them not to be negative towards the show and to watch their language (since fans were calling him a "porn star", of all things.) under threat of being removed from the show. That left a bad taste in a lot of the longtime regulars' mouths and I was told there was something of a small protest at tonight's taping with fans who would usually be standing ringside in the pit instead sitting in the bleachers to "show TNA the difference." Universal had several employees, including the aforementioned Bernadette, address the crowd before the tapings, asking them to behave and stay in line with the taping. While I'm not a fan of anyone telling fans what they can do at shows and who they are supposed to back, the reality is everyone in that building gets in for free, so it's not like they can claim they are paying to express their opinions. Still, I can see such a thing being rejected by fans and the last thing any company needs is to create a backlash among their most loyal fans.

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Old 01-18-2010, 07:12 PM   #3
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I get why they're doing this. I've grimaced more than a few times in the past couple of weeks to something TNA expects to work get completely shit on by their fans, but those are mostly stupid decisions. I mean, Hogan trashing the 6-sided ring and basically saying it caused them to fail? Yeah, I don't think that's going to go over very well with the long-term fans.
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Before tonight’s TNA iMPACT tapings began in Orlando, members of the TNA staff addressed the crowd at the iMPACT Zone about their behavior.

Fans were told not to curse, make obscene gestures or gang signs. The fans were referred to as “cast members” and were basically told they needed to be quiet, according to a fan in attendance.

This is likely another decision made by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, who haven’t been pleased with some of the reactions from the TNA crowd lately.
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:16 PM   #5
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I get why they're doing this. I've grimaced more than a few times in the past couple of weeks to something TNA expects to work get completely shit on by their fans, but those are mostly stupid decisions. I mean, Hogan trashing the 6-sided ring and basically saying it caused them to fail? Yeah, I don't think that's going to go over very well with the long-term fans.
Instead of fighting their die hard fans (and let's face it, the fans who go are usually more than casual fans) they should be embracing them and using them for rating what works and what doesn't.

Vince used to do this at MSG. It was his home base and he would gauge the crowd reactions for what worked and who was over. Of course he ignores the fans too now, but still.

I'm not saying fans should always be listened to, but when you're getting "bullshit" chants and heavy negative reactions towards angles, you need to look at what worked and what didn't and adjust it, at least to the point where you're not getting shit on by your corner stone fans.
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Getting rid of the 6 sided ring was an incredible idea, tbh. It feels like an actual wrestling show now.
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Before tonight’s TNA iMPACT tapings began in Orlando, members of the TNA staff addressed the crowd at the iMPACT Zone about their behavior.

Fans were told not to curse, make obscene gestures or gang signs. The fans were referred to as “cast members” and were basically told they needed to be quiet, according to a fan in attendance.

This is likely another decision made by Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff, who haven’t been pleased with some of the reactions from the TNA crowd lately.
First of all, source your shit.

Second of all. Wow. I do believe this, and it's a HUGE mistake.
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Next thing you know they'll be piping in fake chants because the crowd is too quiet.
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Instead of fighting their die hard fans (and let's face it, the fans who go are usually more than casual fans) they should be embracing them and using them for rating what works and what doesn't.

I totally agree. I mean, love or hate the six-sided ring, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that the hardcore fan backlash for that is going to cause some issues. If I was someone totally new to TNA, and I watched it and saw the fans chanting "bullshit" and crapping all over things? I don't know that I'd be excited to keep watching or come back.

I don't think everything has to go over crazy well, and you certainly can't FORCE someone love an idea, but when your main angle (Hogan being a face and bringing the company to the next level) and other key ideas are being unequivocally trashed by your fanbase, it may be time to alter course. This isn't like people being resistant to change, like with the ring; a lot of this is really key stuff the company is banking on. And this isn't like with WWE or a touring company where if something gets pissed on in one place, maybe it'll work out better on the next stop. TNA has to deal with pretty much the same fan-pool, and if they alienate them, they don't have many other places to turn.
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:30 PM   #10
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I don't have a problem with the ring, because that heat will die down in a few weeks. But there are plenty of other things they will be shitting on.

And I hope they're as loud as possible and make as big of a stink as possible, even with a taping they can do damage without being "out of control".
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:35 PM   #11
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Do you really need to turn your back on Val Venis though?

That's kinda dumb
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I think that's the best kind of protest honestly. It's entirely visual so they can't really obscure it.
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Old 01-18-2010, 07:43 PM   #13
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Again, I agree. I think the fans are overreacting to some things, like the Sean Morley incident, and that's really going to hurt them rather than TNA. The way they did that is fine and smart, but the reason for it seems like an overreaction. When you act like everything you don't agree with is the end of the world, it makes it real easy for your opposition to paint you as crazy/negative/spiteful/whatever.

While the heat may die down shortly over the six-sided ring, and I personally didn't even really notice the change, I suspect the company's reaction to the fans' reaction, like Hogan shooting on TNA and its fans for failing to make it to the next level because of the ring, could have some pretty dramatic longterm consequences.
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I think that's the best kind of protest honestly. It's entirely visual so they can't really obscure it.
Nah I disargee. It looks you are trying to get yourselves over.

It's just one match. It's something that's utterly pointless to protest.
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There have been times I have been annoyed by the TNA crowds, but pulling stuff like this isnt cool. Negative crowd noise is better than no noise at all. But I can definitely see this coming from Bischoff and Hogan. Hogan looked really annoyed that the crowd was upset over the ring change.
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Nah I disargee. It looks you are trying to get yourselves over.

It's just one match. It's something that's utterly pointless to protest.
No it isn't. They're bringing in former talent who were midcarders ten years ago and going over their established stars. That should never, ever happen the way they're doing it.
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I don't know the answer to this question, but did TNA ever really use the 6-sided ring for the one thing I thought it would be visually good for: 3-way tag team matches? It just always looks like something's off when there's a 3-way tag match in a 4-sided ring because only 1 corner is left open and there's not equal separation among the teams.
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No it isn't. They're bringing in former talent who were midcarders ten years ago and going over their established stars. That should never, ever happen the way they're doing it.
Well, at the sake of sounding like Noid, Val never really got his fair shake in the E machine and can still work great. It's not like Headbanger Mosh came in and started making Daniels his bitch. Morley is ripped, can work the mic, and can still work a great match. The only thing I don't like is that their running with the sleazy Vall ripoff gimmick. Other than that, I think it's fine.
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HUGE MISTAKE!!!!! The first straw in the death of TNA...... IMO, Rule #1 in pro wrestling is "to make the crowd happy" If the crowd is happy, business is good and vice-versa..... telling the fans what to do is absolutely ridiculous...... I can understand them wanting to cut out the profanity, but you cannot program all the wrestling fans into liking what Hogan wants them to like.... absolutely ridiculous..... If I ever go to a TNA event, I want to have the freedom to chant "THIS IS BULLSHIT" or "FIRE RUSSO" or "FUCK YOU HOGAN" because I paid my $100 or whatever to get into the building and have a good time...... and if that doesn't fit in with "management's" plan..... then fuck 'em
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No it isn't. They're bringing in former talent who were midcarders ten years ago and going over their established stars. That should never, ever happen the way they're doing it.
A total overreaction.

Now with that said silencing your fans probably isn't the best way to go. Also putting Val Venis over Daniels is a stupid move though.
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wow, TNA needs to get the F out of Orlando. These fans are just a bunch of morons
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Well clearly that didnt work as the fans fucked up AJ Styles' promo when he came out with "escorts"
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:44 PM   #26
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Wait....the crowd doesn't pay to get in?
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:48 PM   #27
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I'm glad they changed the ring, but it would have been better if they made it into an angle rather than "Hey, hope the fans like this!"
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:50 PM   #28
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* Orlando Jordan defeats D’Angelo Dinero with a Flatliner.


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Old 01-18-2010, 10:05 PM   #29
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They turned their back on Anderson too.
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Old 01-18-2010, 10:32 PM   #30
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It looks like his comments over the relief effort in Haiti have gotten new TNA personality Bubba the Love Sponge sent home from a production meeting and possibly fired from the company. Bubba wrote the following on his Twitter today:
“Eric needs to chill out on this power trip. Hogan is cool. Eric is running wild. here in orlando things r all messed up. Was suppose to be at the prod meeting @11 they called and said not 2 come??? This is starting 2b not fun. All because of my Haiti comments Sorry people can’t handle the truth. And what does my Haiti comments have to do with tna wrestling. I didn’t say them on dixies air. I don’t think tna is ready 4someone like me. I shoot hard from the hip and ms Carter (although i have a ton of respect 4her) has never had a guy that is as outrageous as I am and has a Nationwide delevery method. So right now I would describe our relationship like oil and water. And it’s not good. im headed home. My agent Is coming to Orlando to deal with mess. not that I’ll ever b on tna again but tell me any tna personality that has more followers.”
Bubba also noted that he was supposed to be a part of the deal with ‘The Band’ at last night’s Genesis pay-per-view but someone vetoed Hulk Hogan so Bubba wasn’t involved.
He also said last night that Jeremy Borash is gone from TNA and he (Bubba) did not want the job of being Borash’s replacement.
Note from Ryan Clark: Again Bubba, go away. You sound lame and immature.
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Old 01-18-2010, 10:46 PM   #31
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Getting rid of the 6 sided ring was an incredible idea, tbh. It feels like an actual wrestling show now.
Yeah, i'm getting abit sick of the ring discussion now. The bitches moaned before that it was there now they're fucking moaning its gone. Wrestling fans are never happy.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:47 PM   #32
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TNA has more of a reality TV feel to it....it's like the coke binging brother who goes to a funeral in a rented tux and leaves because he rented it 3 days too early. I have no idea what that means. I digress.

TNA will never find an identity trying to be a seasoned product quickly. In all honestly as in all companies...you have to learn how to manipulate your market. You silence the fans through the wrestling, the six-sided ring was a cliche come to life. I must admit I liked it visually, but you can't have that in a small arena. Too many bodies and too many matches to develop characters. I mean come on a three-way tag match? Can you really tell a good story with 3 tag teams long enough for a storyline. no....so why bother.

I designed a ring for TNA to use. Could I post it on here?
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:48 PM   #33
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Wow. They got rid of the thing that really distinguished them (the ring) and now they're going to piss off their fans.

Are we SURE Vince didn't air-mail a lethal dose of poison to TNA in a big red and yellow package?
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:53 PM   #34
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Forget Jordan beating the Pope, the fucking Nasty Boys beat Nash and Eric Young, with Eric Young taking the fall... Eric Young is jobbing to the fucking NAsty Boys.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:56 PM   #35
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The six-sided ring was more of a burden than anything else. It seemed more like a gimmick and it definitely took away from match psychology.

As far as trying to control the fans a bit goes, I can see where they are coming from. It must be frustrating as shit to play to fans that refuse to acknowledge the face/heel dynamic and cohesively rebel against anything they don't like. Not sure if reprimanding them is the right choice but I dunno.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:58 PM   #36
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if anybody watched genesis last night u would have seen scott hall pull a fan over the barricade and slap the shit out of him. why dont they punish scott hall instead. it is his job to stay in character and ignore the fans.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:04 AM   #37
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i love tna but they need to get rid of all the dumbasses like scott hall and x pac they are stupid drunks
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:08 AM   #40
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