NFL 2010 Off Season Thread

[D Mac]

Chiefs better get some fucking players. :mad:

[D Mac]

2010 NFL Draft

ROUND ONE
1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)
6. Seattle (5-11)
7. Cleveland (5-11)
8. Oakland (5-11)
9. Buffalo (6-10)
10.(T) Jacksonville (7-9)
10.(T) Denver (from Chicago 7-9)
12. Miami (7-9)
13. San Francisco (8-8)
14. Seattle (from Denver 8-8)
15. New York Giants (8-8)
16.(T) Tennessee (8-8)
16.(T) San Francisco (from Carolina 8-8)
18. Pittsburgh (9-7)
19.(T) Atlanta (9-7)
19.(T) Houston (9-7)
21. Cincinnati (10-6)
22. New England (10-6)
23. Green Bay (11-5)
24. Philadelphia (11-5)
25. Baltimore (9-7)
26. Arizona (10-6)
27. Dallas (11-5)
28. San Diego (13-3)
29. New York Jets (9-7)
30. Minnesota (12-4)
31. Indianapolis (14-2)
32. New Orleans (13-3)

[ClockShot]

Can't do a general analysis for my Broncos until McDevil runs Marshall and/or Orton out of town.

But I'm liking our #11 spot in the draft.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Tbh I really don't follow the college scene enough to know anybody...that being said, Giants definitely have to go D with the first pick, preferably LB.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

Well, the bills have a decent pick, a new but shitty regime and are changin to the 3-4....so will hopefully be and eventful offseason.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's crazy to look at the teams from 1-16 and see how many are stable at QB and then look at 17-32.

Which sucks for most of those early picking teams because there's not much to get excited about with the QB selection this year.

[ClockShot]

Clausen, Tebow, Snead, Bradford, McCoy (dunno if he declared) just to name a few off the top of my head. If anybody is looking for a QB the draft is the way to go. 2010 QB free agent class sucks this year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Doubt any of those guys except maybe Claussen will do a thing in the NFL.

[SammyG]

If the Rams don't get Vick, I want Clausen/Bradford

[Gonzo]

Rams should build their lines first.

[Heros Welcome]

I don't think Clausen or Bradford warrant the #1 pick in this draft. Rams should take Suh. He's the best player in the draft and with him on the line it makes their investments of Long and Carriker better. Plus its Spags, we all know he loves his defense.

I could see them taking a McCoy/LeFevor in the later rounds. To work behind a stop gap QB for the time like a Vick or Campbell.

[Heros Welcome]

<font color=goldenrod>Tbh I really don't follow the college scene enough to know anybody...that being said, Giants definitely have to go D with the first pick, preferably LB.</font>

LB at that pick would be tough for the G Men since I think no linebacker warrents a pick at that spot. Unless McClain were to drop, but hes a top 10 talent. I could see the G Men going with either Earl Thomas Safety from Texas to help the secondary out, or Brian Price DT from UCLA with that #15 pick. Then look to grab Brandon Spikes in round 2 for the MLB spot.

[SammyG]

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[Splaya]

Rams will draft the DT that everyone creams over. After that it's a crap shoot.

I'm guessing my Lions will draft Eric Berry. Would be ok with that.

According to OchoCinco, TO is going to come to Cincy to play with him

[Splaya]

I don't think Clausen or Bradford warrant the #1 pick in this draft. Rams should take Suh. He's the best player in the draft and with him on the line it makes their investments of Long and Carriker better. Plus its Spags, we all know he loves his defense.

I could see them taking a McCoy/LeFevor in the later rounds. To work behind a stop gap QB for the time like a Vick or Campbell.

IF ST Louis is smart, they draft Suh, and then take Lefevour in the 2nd round. We get Central Michigan games here all the time (and to add to that my sister goes there so we went to like all the home games) (and you will hear this first: he is the best QB of this draft) and the man is a stud

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

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[Skippord]

the Lions should take Russel Okung so Matt Stafford doesn't get beaten to death

[Heros Welcome]

Rams will draft the DT that everyone creams over. After that it's a crap shoot.

I'm guessing my Lions will draft Eric Berry. Would be ok with that.

According to OchoCinco, TO is going to come to Cincy to play with him


As tempting a duo or Berry and Delmas would be in the secondary for the Lions, I think they lock up Gerald McCoy to beef up that D Line. Playmaker, creates pressure and helps in the run defense.

As for LeFevor, I really liked what I saw from him at the Senior Bowl that whole week and I've become very high on him. I think with a good combine and pro day he could move into the 3rd round.

[Heros Welcome]

the Lions should take Russel Okung so Matt Stafford doesn't get beaten to death

I was feeling the same way for a long time but it seems as though they are content with the guard they have now, so McCoy seems like the pick at 2 in my eyes.

[Droford]

The final 8 teams all get hosed by the lack of a CBA:

The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.

[McLegend]

:cool:

I have to say I really think all 3 QB's are staying in Philadelphia next year. McNabb will be back no doubt about it. Rumors that Cleveland has some interest in Kevin Kolb, which makes sense since Former Eagles GM Tom Ecckerd(spelled that wrong) is now there. I think actually he has the highest chance of being delt.

Michael Vick is staying. He will not get traded. I'm telling you Andy Reid will want to keep Michael Vick.

[Jeritron]

Tebow and McCoy won't go anywhere in the NFL

Have I mentioned that I can't stand them?

[Heros Welcome]

Well I'm sensing a lot of anger in that post Jeri.

I'm not very high on either, but I think McCoy has a better shot at succeeding.

[Jeritron]

McCoy will go the way of a Chris Simms. That's not a bad gig, but I wouldn't consider it "going somewhere"

[Heros Welcome]

I could see that for McCoy.

Tebow, I'm just not liking his chances at all. I mean they were blowing him all Senior Week and sure he progessed as the week went on in practice, but overall it was nothing that special at all. And he was even worse in the game itself.

Just really ticked me off how all cameras were on him, when guys like Lefevour, Robinson, and Jarrett Brown were out performing him.

[Jeritron]

Tebow goes the way of Ryan Leaf

[Jeritron]

No, but none of these guys will go high obviously

[Heros Welcome]

Tebow will go way higher than he should. I think hes like round 5...and he might go to the Jags in like round 3.

[Jeritron]

Can't wait to see Suh be a beast in the NFL

[Crimson]

Dunlap will be beast. Bradford and Claussen I think will both bust.

And almost every single linebacker that's drafted in the 1st round turns into a solid starter , like barely any busts. Stupid Bobby Carpenter:rant:

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I can see Clausen being the next Joey Harrington unfortunately. I mean I love the kid, but he's no NFL QB. Golden Tate would be a great pickup at WR I think though

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I wouldn't compare Clausen to Harrington, Harrington played in Jeff Tedfords system while Clausen ran pretty much a NFL offense while in college. I really think that projects well for Clausen, since he's not going to have to run something totally different when he gets to the pros.

Bradford is interesting, people make a big deal out of the fact that he was in the gun and throwing it a lot and say that's a negative. I can understand but at the same time Tom Brady & the Patriots ran almost 80% of their plays out of the shot gun this season. It's not like Bradford was out there rushing for a ton of yards doing zone reads like Colt McCoy. I think if he ends up on a team that isn't completely garbage ala Sanchez & the Jets he could be end up having a productive career.

[Nervous Ferret]

Would really "dig" the Jets drafting Golden Tate. Doubt he will that far though.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Browns cut Donte Stallworth

[Ermaximus]

I could totally see Jacksonville drafting Tebow just for the fact it would put asses in the seats here. Granted he wouldn't be the answer at QB, but apparently, neither is David Garrard. Garrard plays when he wants to, but a lot of the time he doesn't want to. Him and Del Rio got to go.

I could also see Jacksonville taking either Pouncey or Dunlap early. The Jags take defense a lot and Dunlap would help strengthen that D-line greatly.

By taking Pouncey, they'd have 3 green guys on the O-line, but give them a year or two and they'd be sick. Monroe, Britton, and Pouncey. Could be a pretty amazing line. Would really be funny if they took the other Pouncey next year when he comes out.

[Gonzo]

I would be surprised if Jacksonville went any other way from drafting Tebow. It is the choice everyone has thought they would go with for a while. Even if he doesn't go in the first round (which is a huge reach) I think they make sure they get him in round 2 or 3.

[Heros Welcome]

Depending on his combine, which could then lead to him possibly being a Raider since Al Davis loves his work out warriors, I can see Derrick Morgan as a Jaguar. I think he's the best DE coming out and would actually be the answer for them for the lack pressure off the edge, an area which they have failed in years past. I'm talking to you Derrick Harvey!

[Heros Welcome]

Where do you guys see Peppers ending up?

Atlanta
Pats
Packers
Skins
Giants

I know its going to come down to the highest bidder, which could very well be the Skins, but does he land with one of those teams? Does another team come forward?

[Gonzo]

Giants won't sign him.

[Heros Welcome]

I threw there name into the mix since I just read a rumor with them possibly jumping in if they decide to cut Osi loose.

[Ermaximus]

Patriots, most definately.

[Heros Welcome]

I really hope its Atlanta. And I'm trying not to be a homer here, but I think they really can land him.

Playing in a dome, opposite Abraham, having Babs and Jerry in the middle, makes what was the weak point of the defense, now a strong point. Also gets to face the panthers 2 times a year.

Blank has got the money for sure. I understand the philosophy that Dimitroff and crew have taken in wanting to build through the draft and not tying themselves down financially with big FA contracts, but based on what the team has now if you add Peppers to the bunch + this years draft clas you bring in, you make the team elite.

[McLegend]

Eagles might actually be interested in Peppers.

[FearedSanctity]

Broncos apparently talking with the Eagles about McNabb

[Reavant]

peppers to st louis along with the first pick of sue in the draft

[Big Fat Mike]

So glad Clayton thinks that McNabb is going to end up a Viking. One more year without another Super Bowl in Minnesota, either way.

[McLegend]

McNabb isn't going anywhere. I'm 90% sure.

[Skippord]

Broncos apparently talking with the Eagles about McNabb
I hope that's true

[SammyG]

peppers to st louis along with the first pick of sue in the draft

huh

[OssMan]

sue

huh

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[OssMan]

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[Reavant]

i laughed for about five minutes because of that.....



anyway since sammyg doesnt know that the rams have the first pick and the best guy in the draft is the defensive end from nebraska, suh, they will probably be picking him and if they do, it would make sense for the rams to pick up peppers to mentor/play on the other side of the line from him.

[SammyG]

Uh. I do know we have the 1 pick, and I know we're getting NKMADOHUH DFHSUGHRE SUH. I just don't think we're gonna make a push to get Peppers.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Peppers is gonna be looking for too much money, don't see him going to the Patriots.

[Gonzo]

Dude got $16 million this past year, and was slated to make $20 million next season.

Good luck finding a team that is willing to pay that. Oakland? It will be his 9th year next season, and to be honest his best days are probably behind him. Coincidence that he is looking for a long term deal? Nah, he is just looking for a retirement deal. If I were an NFL GM, no way in hell would I pay this guy for a long term deal.

[OssMan]

Dallas will sign him.

[Shadow]

Not if Snyder gets there first.

[Big Fat Mike]

That's going to be one interesting pissing contest between Jones and Snyder.

[Ermaximus]

I swear if the Jags blow their pick on someone stupid....

[Reavant]

like tebow?

[ClockShot]

Broncos apparently talking with the Eagles about McNabb

Dawkins got that much pull in the locker room already? I'm surprised.

[Ermaximus]

like tebow?

Honestly, I hope not. I'm a huge Gator fan, but Tebow is NOT the answer.

[Team Sheep]

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The Web site vikesfans4favre.com raised $2,600 to keep the billboard in Hattiesburg, Miss., up for a month.

[Big Fat Mike]

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The Web site vikesfans4favre.com raised $2,600 to keep the billboard in Hattiesburg, Miss., up for a month.

Wow what a bunch of tools.

[Big Fat Mike]

I mean, it's was probably alot of Favre's doing that the Vikes even got that far to begin with, but it was also his fault that Ryan Longwell didn't have a chance to end the NFC championship in regulation. Fucking awful throw across his body to the middle of the field when he could have just lowered his head one more time and got some yardage. Fuck, why would these people want a 41 year old with a history of making bad decisions in huge spots?

[FearedSanctity]

Rumors fly that Broncos are available for purchase (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/11/rumors-fly-that-broncos-are-available-for-purchase/)

Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2010 8:38 AM ET
The fact that the Rams have found a buyer reminded me of a rumor that snaked its way through the grapevine last week.

There's talk that the Denver Broncos could be available to be purchased from current owner Pat Bowlen.

And there's a connection between the Rams and the Broncos. If Shahid Khan will be buying (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/11/illinois-businessman-shahid-khan-set-to-buy-rams/) not only the 60 percent of the Rams currently held by Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez but also the 40 percent owned by Stan Kroenke, Kroenke could couple the cash he gets from Shahid with a chunk of his wife's Wal-Mart money (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/7102853/How-Arsenal-will-be-changed-by-Stan-Kroenkes-business-brain.html) and purchase the Broncos.

Kroenke already owns the NHL's Colorado Avalanche and the NBA's Denver Nuggets. He reportedly was interested in acquiring controlling interest in the Rams, but the league's cross-ownership rules require teams in multiple leagues to be located in the same market.

We need to be clear on this one. We're not saying that the Broncos are for sale; we're saying that there's a rumor they're for sale. And we're speculating that Kroenke could be interested, especially if he's cashing out his chips in St. Louis.

[McLegend]

I mean, it's was probably alot of Favre's doing that the Vikes even got that far to begin with, but it was also his fault that Ryan Longwell didn't have a chance to end the NFC championship in regulation. Fucking awful throw across his body to the middle of the field when he could have just lowered his head one more time and got some yardage. Fuck, why would these people want a 41 year old with a history of making bad decisions in huge spots?

You're being a hater, bro.

[D Mac]

Los Angeles Broncos

[Ermaximus]

Dude, if LA gets a team, it'll be an expansion team. Everyone hears rumors about their team moving to LA. They keep saying that the Jags will move there too, but I don't see it happening unless Wayne Weaver passed away.

[FearedSanctity]

The most likely buyer for the Broncos would be Stan Kroenke, owner of the Avalanche and the Nuggets. He gets them, they aren't going anywhere. The NFL won't allow majority owners in the NFL with teams in other leagues outside of their market. Kroenke's market is Denver due to the Nuggs/Avs, which is why he can only be a minority owner of the Rams, he can only be a majority owner in Denver and wouldn't be able to move them if he wanted to. Doubt the NFL would let him regardless, even if it were to LA

[Crimson]

I think the only way L.A gets a team is if one moves in. How would it work with a 33 team league:wtf:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Giants release Antonio Pierce

Everybody saw it coming...but damn, it's a shame how sharp his decline was. I'd love to see him back in a coaching role someday.</font>

[VonErichLives]

Does LT have anything left in the tank? Wouldn't mind seeing him in a Pats uniform if he does...

[Heros Welcome]

It has been widely speculated that Nebraska defensive standout, Ndamukong Suh, would become the first player taken in the 2010 NFL Draft. Not so fast.

The latest reports are saying the St. Louis Rams are waiting to complete a full medical evaluation on Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. Bradford missed most of this season with a shoulder injury and if he clears all the tests without complications, the Rams will take a long look at the former Heisman Trophy winner.

Tom Kowalski of MLive.com has said that he spoke to two “well-informed folks” while he was in Miami for the Super Bowl and they indicated that Bradford would top the Rams draft board if his shoulder checks out okay.

St. Louis is looking for a long-term answer at the quarterback position and Bradford could be their answer. Marc Bulger is currently the teams starter and his skills have visibly decline throughout the last few injury filled years of his career.

The NFC West is very weak at quarterback — especially after the retirement of Cardinals QB Kurt Warner. In a quarterback driven league, the thinking around the Rams organization is that Bradford could be the franchise signal-caller that will take the team to the next level.

It would be shocking to see Ndamukong Suh slide down to the number two spot or lower, but Detroit Lions fans would be rejoicing.

[SammyG]

EXCELLENT

[Big Fat Mike]

Calling it now, Pierce is going to end up in St. Louis

[Big Fat Mike]

He would probably follow spags off a cliff for the league minimum

[Gonzo]

I gotta say, Rams should definitely go line. I think teams have to build lines first. There will be QBs later. Build the lines, get a FA QB, then draft the QB last when you have other pieces in place.

[SammyG]

No. I never want to see Marc Bulger take another fucking snap. Bradford, come to us.

[Reavant]

good luck with an injured rookie :y:

[Heros Welcome]

I gotta say, Rams should definitely go line. I think teams have to build lines first. There will be QBs later. Build the lines, get a FA QB, then draft the QB last when you have other pieces in place.

I felt the same way. I compare the Rams situation to what the Falcons were a few years ago. I wanted to grab Dorsey instead of Ryan, and pick Brohm up later in the draft. But the QB is a huge need for the a struggling franchise. Gives them an identity and direction.

Then again Suh is a better prospect coming out then Dorsey was, and I doubt the Rams will be able to trade down since its very rare you see someone willing to come to the one spot based on the money thats tossed around now for rookies. I feel Suh should be the pick since I think he is a one of a kind prospect coming out and should be drafted 1 overall, but QB is the real need and if they go Bradford I wouldn't have a problem.

[parkmania]

Everyone hears rumors about their team moving to LA.

They will NEVER be the LA Steelers.

[Hanso Amore]

Name one team that spent high picks on lineman over a QB and had it work out for them? The NFL is a QB driven league and unless you have one of the best you arent going to win shit. You dont build the lines and then get a QB, you get a QB and then the rest can fall into place.

Colts, Steelers, Cardinals, Patriots, Chargers, Texans, Saints, Packers.

They may have drafted a high guy here and there, but they found a QB to run the team with average lines.

[Hanso Amore]

I have been hearing that shit in Buffalo for years making excuses for Bledsoe, Holcomb, Losman, Edwards and Fitzpatrick

"No qb can play good if they dont have time" "Teams are built in the trenches"

Bullshit. Maybe 10 years ago. Maybe 30. This is the New Pass Happy NFL. Get onboard or fuck off.

[Heros Welcome]

Little angry there Hanso?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Name one team that spent high picks on lineman over a QB and had it work out for them? The NFL is a QB driven league and unless you have one of the best you arent going to win shit. You dont build the lines and then get a QB, you get a QB and then the rest can fall into place.

Colts, Steelers, Cardinals, Patriots, Chargers, Texans, Saints, Packers.

They may have drafted a high guy here and there, but they found a QB to run the team with average lines.

Why did you use those teams to make your point? Only the Colts and the Chargers used a high draft pick on their QB. The rest are mid 1st round, free agent, 6th round, free agent, free agent, late 1st round.

To answer your question though, the Cardinals drafted OT Levi Brown #5 overall in 2007 and got Kurt Warner cheap through free agency. The Jets took D'Brickashaw Ferguson #4 overall and went to the playoffs with Pennington. The Saints took Jamaal Brown high and got Brees through free agency.

[Hanso Amore]

Why did you use those teams to make your point? Only the Colts and the Chargers used a high draft pick on their QB. The rest are mid 1st round, free agent, 6th round, free agent, free agent, late 1st round.

To answer your question though, the Cardinals drafted OT Levi Brown #5 overall in 2007 and got Kurt Warner cheap through free agency. The Jets took D'Brickashaw Ferguson #4 overall and went to the playoffs with Pennington. The Saints took Jamaal Brown high and got Brees through free agency.

Right but they didnt spend back to back 1st rounders on O and D lineman (let alone what, 4 straight years if the rams draft line this year).

My point being that building the lines does no good if you dont find your QB.

[McLegend]

Edit

If it's someone like Suh I think you go for the lineman.

[Hanso Amore]

Little angry there Hanso?

Yes I am :) I have listened too thousands of local idiots use the build the line idea for 10 years. A good line does not make an average QB good. A good QB makes an average line good.

Look at Rodgers. he has perhaps the worst line in the NFC and they made the playoffs.

The giants have perhaps the best o line in the NF and they sat home this year.

[Heros Welcome]

Your a Buffalo fan right Hanso?

If both QB's go before 9, which I think they will but who knows really, what are you thoughts on the pick? I was going to say Anthony Davis OT from Rutgers, but I'm curious what a Buffalo fan is looking for.

[Hanso Amore]

We need a QB, but if Claussen is not there I pass. We are changing to the 3-4 so I would love McClain to play ILB with Pozlusny. There really isnt any NTs worth the 9th pick. If Dez bryant is there he is intriguing as he is a top 5 talent and we need another WR, but with no QB its a moot pick. I also would love that DE Morgan from GT.

I would love davis, I think he is this year's Clady and will be a pro bowl player.

I am looking at the 2nd and third round for a QB. Actually my number one is Zac Robinson from Oklahoman State. I think he can transition to a under the center QB, has perhaps the strongest arm of the big time QBs,and he has started alot of games and is not a one year wonder which is something our new GM is looking for. I think he will be around in the 3rd.

I think bradford is soft, too inflated by a great team and the spread.

Claussen is the best Pro Prospect and will go too high. he could be like Alex Smith, best QB in a weak class drafted way too high.

Tebow will fail as an NFL QB

McCoy is a wildcard. he could be turn out to be a good QB but I think more than likely he never amount to much.

It really is a shitty year to need a QB!

[Hanso Amore]

So in short, I think at 9 they will draft the best LT on the board.

If I had my way I would try for a 1-2-3 of

Round 1: Davis or Bryant
Round 2: Terrence Cody (Will fall when he hits the combine at 400 pounds)
Round 3: Zac Robinson

[Gonzo]

No. I never want to see Marc Bulger take another fucking snap. Bradford, come to us.

Ha, it will be equally enjoyable to see Bradford picking himself up off the turf all the time I'm sure.

To me, that is a big "What if?" scenario with Bradford given his injury. The #1 pick? I'm not even sure I would take him in the first round with the injury concerns to be honest. If you draft Suh, you're looking at a 99% guarantee in terms of production. He seems like the kind of guy that can anchor the front seven of a defense and become a game changer.

[Gonzo]

Also, in reference to Hanso's topic:

I think that you absolutely have to have a line, and when I said line previously I meant both offensively and defensively. The game starts in the trenches and although it isn't the end all be all it is very important. Why do you think that LT is a coveted position, and when a big time guy comes out of college at the LT spot, teams draft them high?

I don't care if you're Peyton Manning or Drew Brees, you're not passing the ball off your ass every play. Look at what the Giants did to the Patriots offensive line in Superbowl 42. Arguably one of the most prolific offenses to take the field was stifled because the Patriots offensive line was unable to protect Brady well. Brady, who will arguably go down as one of the best QBs ever was unable to help produce the offense that they had all year long.

I guess I can't disagree necessarily about the approach, whether you get a QB first or build your OL and DL, but having good lines is paramount.

[VonErichLives]

You need a good OL, Center and the Bindside blocker most important.

DL really all depends on what D you're playing... a 3-4 where you have fast LB then you can get away with avg DL if they're big, because they're just trying to fill-gaps and take on 2 OL with their size.

Oh and yes OL is a reason a lot of those QB's failed in Buffalo, but more importantly, most of those QB weren't that good, the Teams weren't that good and the coaches have sucked. So it's many factors why Buffalo hasn't done shit for 10yrs.

[McLegend]

Even though the Big arm is overrated for a QB.

In Buffalo however you do need the Big arm.

[Heros Welcome]

We need a QB, but if Claussen is not there I pass. We are changing to the 3-4 so I would love McClain to play ILB with Pozlusny. There really isnt any NTs worth the 9th pick. If Dez bryant is there he is intriguing as he is a top 5 talent and we need another WR, but with no QB its a moot pick. I also would love that DE Morgan from GT.

I would love davis, I think he is this year's Clady and will be a pro bowl player.

I am looking at the 2nd and third round for a QB. Actually my number one is Zac Robinson from Oklahoman State. I think he can transition to a under the center QB, has perhaps the strongest arm of the big time QBs,and he has started alot of games and is not a one year wonder which is something our new GM is looking for. I think he will be around in the 3rd.

I think bradford is soft, too inflated by a great team and the spread.

Claussen is the best Pro Prospect and will go too high. he could be like Alex Smith, best QB in a weak class drafted way too high.

Tebow will fail as an NFL QB

McCoy is a wildcard. he could be turn out to be a good QB but I think more than likely he never amount to much.

It really is a shitty year to need a QB!


During the Senior Bowl I was very impressed with Zac Robinson based on that one drive he had. Tebow had everyone talking about him, but he had been struggling so much and forced another 3 and out for the South. The defense then held them, and got the bowl back. In the 2 minute drill Robinson led the team down field for 80 yards and ending it with throwing a TD. Really caught my eye. And further proved that Tebow just doesn;t stack up to the others.

But as I mentioned in an earlier post, concerning the Rams, but could work for anyone who needs a QB, Dan Lefevour from Central Michigan really had my attention all week and convinced me even more during the Senior Bowl game itself.

[McLegend]

Man a lot of Tebow hate going on.

I'm not betting against the kid. I really want him to make it.

[Hanso Amore]

I dont hate on Tebow. he just isnt an NFL QB. Nobody was hating on Colt brennan....

Lefevour is like a poor mans Tebow with better reading skills. If that makes sense.


I think he has a chance to make it...

Honeslty, I would rather have Robinson or Lefevour over McCoy or tebow. Even Bradford.

[McLegend]

I dont hate on Tebow. he just isnt an NFL QB. Nobody was hating on Colt brennan....

Lefevour is like a poor mans Tebow with better reading skills. If that makes sense.


I think he has a chance to make it...

Honeslty, I would rather have Robinson or Lefevour over McCoy or tebow. Even Bradford.

If David Garrad can be a capable NFL QB why not Tim Tebow?

[Heros Welcome]

Tebow is going to take I think about 4 years to really adapt the game. He just doesn't seem to have the skill to handle pro defenses. He's release is way to long and slow. His foot work needs major work. I will never question his leadership ability since that's his best quality. His speed will no longer be a factor since its not the elusive quickness of a Vick. He is more of the down hill, bouncing off a defender type of runner. And That won't play in the NFL.

Does he deserve a shot? Yeah somewhere down line I think he should get a shot. Will he be good? As of today I say no. I think he should be taken no earlier than the late 4 to early 5 round.

[Hanso Amore]

If David Garrad can be a capable NFL QB why not Tim Tebow?

Poor choice. Garrard in college was an elusive QB, Tebow a run down your throater.

Garrard was a throw first scrambler who sat for years/

Tebeow is a spread Option QB hich that system stands not chance in the NFL. He runs like an FB against college team and can struggle

[McLegend]

Poor choice. Garrard in college was an elusive QB, Tebow a run down your throater.

Garrard was a throw first scrambler who sat for years/

Tebeow is a spread Option QB hich that system stands not chance in the NFL. He runs like an FB against college team and can struggle
So Tebow is incapable of learning how to play in NFL? Everyone always looks down at system QB in college. To me it's not a bad thing. That means they can a run a system.

So why can't he learn another system? I really think when people look at players that they concrete too much on what players can't do instead of what they can do.

Tebow is smart kid who won a ton of games in College. It seems like he really wants to work hard, and hell I wouldn't be mad if the Eagles drafted him. God Bless him.

Also David Garrard is not a good throwing QB... Just apprently like Tim Tebow.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I just can't see Tebow becoming a 3/5/7 step drop guy in the NFL. I know teams are using shotgun more and more but you still need to have the threat of a pass out of the Pro-I set to help the running game.

His delivery is not gonna work on a consistent basis in the NFL, he drops the ball way to low and it comes out way too slow. NFL defensive ends will be all over that shit. Even if he work on it and change it, the fact that he has to know think about it and go away from his instincts is gonna hurt him. Now instead of going out there and throwing it like he always has he is going to have to think about it. It's not impossible but it's going to take a while.

Why not just draft him for a wildcat style offense? That's what I don't understand. Why try to force to be something he's not? Shit the Dolphins did it with Pat White and they barely use him. A team without an "established Wildcat" personnel grouping could insert Tebow and give themselves some life. Team like the Rams or something, zone read between Tebow and Stephen Jackson 10 or 12 times a game can't be worse than what they've been putting out there the last few years.

[Big Fat Mike]

Remember then the Rams got Orlando Pace and then picked up Kurt Warner at the piggly wiggly? That seemed to work out pretty well.

[Crimson]

The Rams have passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez for Chris Long and Jason Smith. Smith is already looking like a bust. I think if they take Bradford it'll be more of a desperation type of wanting to not pass on another potentially good QB.

[Hanso Amore]

I just can't see Tebow becoming a 3/5/7 step drop guy in the NFL. I know teams are using shotgun more and more but you still need to have the threat of a pass out of the Pro-I set to help the running game.

His delivery is not gonna work on a consistent basis in the NFL, he drops the ball way to low and it comes out way too slow. NFL defensive ends will be all over that shit. Even if he work on it and change it, the fact that he has to know think about it and go away from his instincts is gonna hurt him. Now instead of going out there and throwing it like he always has he is going to have to think about it. It's not impossible but it's going to take a while.

Why not just draft him for a wildcat style offense? That's what I don't understand. Why try to force to be something he's not? Shit the Dolphins did it with Pat White and they barely use him. A team without an "established Wildcat" personnel grouping could insert Tebow and give themselves some life. Team like the Rams or something, zone read between Tebow and Stephen Jackson 10 or 12 times a game can't be worse than what they've been putting out there the last few years.

Exactly, by the time he is halfway through his windup he will be on his back. On a 5 yard out you cant have that long mtion, which he has on every throw.

[Hanso Amore]

So Tebow is incapable of learning how to play in NFL? Everyone always looks down at system QB in college. To me it's not a bad thing. That means they can a run a system.

So why can't he learn another system? I really think when people look at players that they concrete too much on what players can't do instead of what they can do.

Tebow is smart kid who won a ton of games in College. It seems like he really wants to work hard, and hell I wouldn't be mad if the Eagles drafted him. God Bless him.

Also David Garrard is not a good throwing QB... Just apprently like Tim Tebow.


No one downs Tebows drive, smarts or work ethic.

but he has never read a defense from under center or while dropping back, he cant make all the throws expected of an NFL QB and like mentioned, his mechanics are way off. I know you will say he can change his mechanics. but it isnt so easy. David Carr couldnt work it, and Rivers hasnt changed, though he has still had success.

[Hanso Amore]

Bills are looking to possibly do some form of the Spread Offense with Gailey.

Fuck it, if you cant win games playing like everyone else. might as well try a new system and hope the unique nature takes off.

Worked for the Wildcat.

[SammyG]

The Rams have passed on Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez for Chris Long and Jason Smith. Smith is already looking like a bust. I think if they take Bradford it'll be more of a desperation type of wanting to not pass on another potentially good QB.
This. Plus, last time we drafted a Nebraska DT, turned out to be a bust.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bills are looking to possibly do some form of the Spread Offense with Gailey.

Fuck it, if you cant win games playing like everyone else. might as well try a new system and hope the unique nature takes off.

Worked for the Wildcat.The spread isn't a completely different concept though like with the zone-roads in the wildcat. The Patriots (and I'm sure others but I see them play all the time) run things very similar to a college style spread. Brady was barely under center this year.

[Droford]

Im hoping someone will be desperate enough for a QB on draft day to take Troy Smith off the Ravens' hands in a trade. He says he wants to be traded (to Cleveland which is his choice) but I doubt anyone will be interested. But the Ravens need some draft picks since they're going to be hosed in the final 8 rule on free agent signings and have a ton of holes to fill, especially at WR.

[Hanso Amore]

The spread isn't a completely different concept though like with the zone-roads in the wildcat. The Patriots (and I'm sure others but I see them play all the time) run things very similar to a college style spread. Brady was barely under center this year.

Right Right....I should have been more clear.

This would be a more college spread, with the wildcat like running options, the Option run and such, where as the pats simply run a pass Spread.

[Reavant]

I hold no hope or faith for the bills next season as it would only serve to make me want to kill myself

[Splaya]

We need a QB, but if Claussen is not there I pass. We are changing to the 3-4 so I would love McClain to play ILB with Pozlusny. There really isnt any NTs worth the 9th pick. If Dez bryant is there he is intriguing as he is a top 5 talent and we need another WR, but with no QB its a moot pick. I also would love that DE Morgan from GT.

I would love davis, I think he is this year's Clady and will be a pro bowl player.

I am looking at the 2nd and third round for a QB. Actually my number one is Zac Robinson from Oklahoman State. I think he can transition to a under the center QB, has perhaps the strongest arm of the big time QBs,and he has started alot of games and is not a one year wonder which is something our new GM is looking for. I think he will be around in the 3rd.

I think bradford is soft, too inflated by a great team and the spread.

Claussen is the best Pro Prospect and will go too high. he could be like Alex Smith, best QB in a weak class drafted way too high.

Tebow will fail as an NFL QB

McCoy is a wildcard. he could be turn out to be a good QB but I think more than likely he never amount to much.

It really is a shitty year to need a QB!

The irony is that last year i called into my local radio station and told them how glad I was that we took Stafford instead of waiting for next year. I was heavily criticized for saying that.

yeah :)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Right Right....I should have been more clear.

This would be a more college spread, with the wildcat like running options, the Option run and such, where as the pats simply run a pass Spread.Oh, who is gonna be playing the QB position then? Mike Vick?

[Emperor Smeat]

I like to see what Bellicheck does in this year's draft since normally he focuses the early picks mostly on defensive players (starter quality) while using the later rounds to pad up the O-line (not starters) that usually is strong.

Seemed like this year the defense showed off its youth too much when it came to 2nd halves of the game and the O-Line itself seemed to be unable to stop fast defenses (ex. Ravens playoff game 1st Quarter). The biggest positive spot was Brady didn't get hurt and got comfortable quickly into the season.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I honestly have no idea what direction the Patriots going to go in. I was very surprised with what they did last year when they kept trading back further and further when there was guys I thought would "work" in the Pats system right there for the taking. Was very surprised they didn't take Malauga (sp?) when they had the chance but I think I've read recently he checked into a rehab clinic so I guess they knew something I didn't.

I was also so sure that Clay Matthews Jr was a terrible pick at #15 for the Packers, was so sure of it. I probably would have called it my "mortal lock" of the draft. Obviously I was wrong, so now I am very hesitant when it comes to the draft even though I watch a ton of college lol

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You can't really go wrong with USC linebackers in the early rounds.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bengals have been busy so far. Signed WR Matt Jones, worked out CB Adam "Pac Man" Jones, talking about WR Terrell Owens


It's gonna be a fun season.

[OssMan]

2 more criminals/giant dickheads for the Bengals

[Hanso Amore]

Oh, who is gonna be playing the QB position then? Mike Vick?

LOL No IDea at this point, and it wont be someone that fits and it is going to be horrible and ugly.

Apparently the team is trying to move for Vick or McNabb. That wont happen. Also, apparently they are high on Tebow, but CHan Gailey wants a veteran QB. WHo knows.

Rumors are flying that Garrard might be on the move should Jville draft a QB...

[ClockShot]

Raiders re-sign Sebastian Janikowski to a 4-year, $16 mil. deal.

He's now the richest kicker in NFL history.

[Hanso Amore]

HAsnt he been pretty much shit the last 5 years?

[SammyG]

lol Al Davis

[Big Fat Mike]

Wow Al Davis must have a money tree in his backyard or something. Since when has a kicker been worth $4 million a season?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

He was real bad the last few seasons but he was very good this year. Plus he's still got a ridiculously strong leg. Oakland was kind of in a bind with this signing though. They weren't going to get anybody better in free agency so what can you do?

[Big Fat Mike]

I don't know, not give a kicker 16 million dollars? Do we know how much of that was guaranteed?

[Heros Welcome]

9 mil I believe.

[Crimson]

Davis must think it's the uncapped year coming up

[Crimson]

Peppers to the Raiders for 100mil

[Skippord]

Sebastian Janikowski is getting fucked up tonight

[Droford]

Donte Stallworth to the Ravens 1 year $900k plus incentives.

Meh.

I think this is the Ravens FO's way of saying don't expect the WRs to get any better.

Flacco is so bailing on the Ravens when his contract is up. :(

[Heros Welcome]

Nah I still think the Ravens are going to be players in trying to land Marshall.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thought the Pats might make a move on Stallworth

One of my friends sent me a text earlier, "I wonder if Stallworth and Ray Lewis are going to kill somebody together now?" lol

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Chad Johnson says he'll take a paycut if the Bengals sign TO. lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Who is Chad Johnson?

[SammyG]

Way to steal my quote.

[SammyG]

Esteban Ochocinco COMIN' AT YA

[Supreme Olajuwon]

LaDainian Tomlinson, you're a free agent. Go crazy

[ClockShot]

9 years and little over 12,000 yards on those legs....

He'll get a job with name and rep alone. But I don't think he got many years left.

[Hanso Amore]

LT is going to end up in NE and have a 1000 yard year. Calling it now.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

The Oakland Raiders don't send out a lot of press releases, but the one we just got is one of the best we've ever seen.

On May 2, the first-ever "Raidercruise" will leave Los Angeles, making three stops in Mexico (maybe Barret Robbins will be on shore to greet the passengers) before returning on May 9.

[Skippord]

betting on several murders/rapes taking place on that boat

just by Al Davis

[Crimson]

Chargers will probably draft a running back now. Can't see Sproles carrying the load. Or actually they drafted that Hester dude recently..didn't see much of him though

[Emperor Smeat]

I could see the Chargers change their offense style to be more passing with the way Rivers has been improving as a quarterback in stats and passing. Wouldn't be as drastic as New England or Indianapolis where its almost 75% passing most of the time for yards but probably favor the pass over the rush in key plays.

It would give Sproles at least a year to develop into a stronger RB or develop a power RB similar to the earlier years of L.T.

[Heros Welcome]

I always felt the Chargers would take a RB in the draft since it was inevitable LT was getting released. The RB I can see them going with is Johnathan Dwyer, RB out of Georgia Tech. Bruiser type of back, lots of power, breaks a lot of tackles. I think a tandem of him and Sproles would match up very well.

[DrA]

I'll bet any of you a Kentucky fried dinner that Jimmy Clausen turns out to be a dud. Being a smirky white quarterback from Notre Dame seems to be the only thing you need to get NFL hype.

[DrA]

He has an "NFL name" though, so we'll see.

But this guy has been getting an absurd amount of hype since high school and I haven't really seen anything from him that makes him so special.

[ClockShot]

Eagles release Brian Westbrook.

[McLegend]

:wavesad:

[Innovator]

Gonna be sad, I'm gonna miss Westbrook magically show up and scorch the Giants every year

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Combine starts today. Let the unsubstantiated hype begin!

[SammyG]

Marc Bulger cleans out his locker, HOLLA

[Big Fat Mike]

The Pats are going to pick up Westbrook. You heard it here first.

[Emperor Smeat]

That actually would be a good signing since he fits what New England does with Keith Faulk in having him be a receiver in short down pass plays and as a 3rd down rusher for short yards.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Pats sign old players. Shocking news

[Big Fat Mike]

I was taking the less sarcastic route. But yeah, that is what I am saying.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I don't think they are going to sign him, they already have enough old and/or underachieving running backs on the roster.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If they work out a package for him, I really think the Patriots would benefit from signing Earl Campbell. Sure his best days are behind him but that just means no other teams want him so the Pats can get him on the cheap.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Maybe they will just pick up another Hall of Famer in the sixth round of draft next month

[Droford]

Im conflicted on T.O. to the Ravens talk because on one hand they need WRs and on the other he'll end up a major distraction and probably not be any better than he was with the Bills.

[RoXer]

Arizona's eventful offseason will continue this week when the Cardinals release former first-round pick Antrel Rolle, an NFL source said Sunday. Rolle's release will follow Kurt Warner's retirement and the Cardinals decision not to use their franchise tag on linebacker Karlos Dansby.

Rolle will become the premier safety in this year's free-agent class, but it is still possible the safety will return to the Cardinals. Arizona would like to have Rolle back, and the two sides continue to talk about a potential return.

With less than a week until the start of the March 5 free-agent signing period Rolle wants to see what he's worth at a time when the Cardinals are reluctant to pay him more than the $12 million that would be owed to him this season Rolle had four interception and was a Pro Bowl alternate this season.

A starter on the Cardinals' Super Bowl team, Rolle moved to free safety in 2008 after playing cornerback for his first three seasons. He has 12 interceptions and four touchdowns in his career.
:love::heart::kiss::heart::heart::heart:

[Droford]

The Ravens could use a CB but he's probably out of their price range.

[Team Sheep]

Thomas Jones :wavesad: I guess it is time, he's getting on a bit and we'll be fine with Greene and Washington, but still :(

[CSL]

HOW FUCKING DARE YOU USE 'WE' WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY FOR THE GOD DAMNED TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Big Fat Mike]

How dare you use so many exclamation points.

[RP]

Colts Superbowl loss + Purdue losing Hummel for the season + Possibly losing Gary Brackett to free agency = Me not wanting to wake up in the morning.

[CSL]

How dare you use so many exclamation points.

But how else would I make my utterly ridiculous point?????????????????????????

[OssMan]

T.O. to the Ravens please. More reasons to hate the Ravens + now can actually root for the Bills to do well

[Big Fat Mike]

Poor Tim Tebow...everybody hates him.

[Gonzo]

You know, normally I hate when stories get killed to death, but I'm intrigued by Tebow. I pretty much manually adjust how much ESPN I listen to, so maybe that's why?

Anyways, I don't really think he can make it as an NFL QB, if he does, great. I really do want to see the guy succeed at some level in the NFL. He obviously has that "love/hate" thing going on from people. Tebow seems to have a lot of natural leadership qualities and really seems to be emotionally invested, and is a real good guy off the field. I'd like to see him make it.

[DrA]

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Jeez Lou Weeze

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

How did Taylor Mays 40 at the combine go from an unofficial 4.2something to an official 4.4something? Does this happen a lot? I never really pay attention to the unofficial vs official times but for some reason this one jumped out at me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

But how else would I make my utterly ridiculous point?????????????????????????
utterly ridiculous and grammatically accurate

sorry some of us aren't illiterate meat heads

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I don't know about you, but I prefer taking credit for my own accomplishments, not trying to include myself in areas where I don't belong.

[DrA]

The NFL uses "partial" electronic timing, which means that they start the timing by hand. I'm not exactly sure why they do it like that. There can be huge differences in hand and electronic times. At Virginia Tech I remember they were timing Michael Vick and DeAngelo Hall at like 4.09 in their workouts, which would be impossible for them to do at the actual combine.

[FearedSanctity]

Pete Carrol apparently had Mays timed at 4.19

Problem is at the combine they go by when the player first moves instead of a whistle, so it's really a judgment call on the part of the person timing

[DrA]

Just read up on it. Apparently for each run they time it in three ways: two hand held and one stopped electronically. So each team essentially gets six times for each player after they run twice, which they then can look at however they want. The "official" time I think is the electronic time.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I just don't get see how they can't have some sort of motion censor at the start and at the end to get an accurate time. I mean people have walked on the fucking Moon.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

maybe the NFL wants teams to do their own scouting or something I dunno

[Reavant]

its a recession

[FearedSanctity]

http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2010/03/02/but-i-absolutely-refuse-to-write-about-the-draft-caps/

NFL using new conference/playoffs/preseason logos, as well as new conference championship trophies

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[Gonzo]

Old shit is 10 times better.

[CSL]

I think the new ones will look better when not set against a white background but yeah, the old ones are definitely better.

[Reavant]

yay the nfl is fixing things that are not broken!!!

[OssMan]

How are they gonna paint that on the fields

[Gonzo]

I don't care so much about the logos as I do the actual trophies.

[Heros Welcome]

NFL Network's Steve Wyche reports "all indications are" that the Falcons are likely to sign free agent CB Dunta Robinson.

Atlanta realizes its biggest need is cornerback, targeting the Texans' 2009 franchise player and re-signing incumbent LCB Brian Williams to a one-year deal on Thursday. The terms of Robinson's deal likely won't be revealed until after midnight tonight. No. 2 UFA cornerback Leigh Bodden's market will then be set, although he'll probably get a shade less guaranteed.

[Heros Welcome]

Now I've had my doubts about Robinson because I thought he would command a lot of money and TD had said in the past that he doesn't like tying down big money in FA, and would rather build through the draft. Also the fact his last 3 seasons were sub par, but you could chalk that up to the knee problems he had.

This past season he had a good year 64 tackles, no picks though, but thats ok. He would come in an instantly be the # 1 corner that we desperately need and also would allow us to go another route in the Draft. Hopefully Sean Weatherspoon!

LETS GO DIRTY BIRDS!

[Heros Welcome]

Jay Glazer's twitter page Got somethin else for you guys, jets& bolts on verge of trade. cromartie goes to jets in exchange for a high pick in 2011 draft. 2nd or 3rd.

[Heros Welcome]

Done deal. Cromartie is a JET for a 2011 draft pick.

[Emperor Smeat]

Quick question: If a team places a 1st Round and 3rd Round tender on a player does that mean if another team wants to do a trade they must give up 2 picks in the draft ?

Edit: Never mind ESPNews just went through what a tender offer meant. 2 picks would be the minimum offer.

[Heros Welcome]

Lance Zierlein of KGOW in Houston reports that the Redskins are "charging hard" after free agent Julius Peppers and that a deal is close.

[Emperor Smeat]

Panthers cut QB Jake Delhomme. They were willing to take the $12.5 million cap hit than keep him which means they either really like Moore at QB or figured nobody would be willing to trade for a declining QB.

The cap impact softens a bit since they saved $5 million by cutting another player though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

New trophies are garbage but whatever with the logos. Why would they change the trophy? Makes no sense to me.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Apparently Arizona wants a 3rd rounder for Boldin. Bengals better jump on this offer mad quick

[Big Fat Mike]

The Jets still won't be able to stop Peyton Manning.

[Heros Welcome]

As long as the Jets can get a DE or an OLB that can help bring constant pressure on the QB so they dont have to blitz the house every down, I think that Jet D is going to be even better than this past year.

[James Steele]

Apparently Arizona wants a 3rd rounder for Boldin. Bengals better jump on this offer mad quick

Cowboys need to jump on that shit, and ask Roy Williams how he enjoys being a backup slot receiver.

[Splaya]

I AM STOKED.

Lions have signed Kyle Vandenbosch, Nate Burleson, traded for Corey Williams, and still are drafting either Suh or Mccoy.

Vandenbosch will improve the D-line, Burleson is an upgrade to Bryant Johnson. Corey Williams will be solid. Then more than likely you are going to put Suh between Corey Williams and Vandenbosch.

GODDDDDDDD

[Splaya]

Chester Taylor signs 4 year 12.5 million dollar deal with the Bears

[ClockShot]

Free Agency begins and Denver doesn't do jack yet. Unless you count signing Brandon Lloyd and OL Russ Hochstein to contracts.

Curious to see how McDevil and Bowlen address the QB situation.

[Big Fat Mike]

On the new trophies and logos....looks like it's time to sell some nonspecific playoff gear! YEEEAAAHHH`

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Bears sign Julius Peppers to a 6 year deal

[Heros Welcome]

Free Agency begins and Denver doesn't do jack yet. Unless you count signing Brandon Lloyd and OL Russ Hochstein to contracts.

Curious to see how McDevil and Bowlen address the QB situation.

Here ya go Clock...

Adam_Schefter

If Seattle signs Brandon Marshall to the offer sheet, Broncos would have seven days to match -- or get back the draft's sixth overall pick.

[Heros Welcome]

Broncos could then draft Clausen if there, Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain, then still have the #11 pick and could maybe even get one of the above players as well.

Broncos are your team so you probably have a better idea of them then I do, but I think it would be best to let Marshall walk and take the pick.

What you think?

[SammyG]

Bears and Lions doin thangs jesus. Also, what in the fuck, Cromartie AND Revis on the same team? Fuck

[SammyG]

RAMS SIGN AJ FEELEY OMFG SUPERBOWL.

Fucking idiots. Unless he's a backup to Bradford.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The NFL offseason seems so weird after having spent the last several months following the slow MLB offseason. In MLB, guys often wait 3 months or more before signing...in the NFL, a good chunk of top free agents wind up off the board within 24 hours.</font>

[FearedSanctity]

Free Agency begins and Denver doesn't do jack yet. Unless you count signing Brandon Lloyd and OL Russ Hochstein to contracts.

Curious to see how McDevil and Bowlen address the QB situation.

What? Denver's done plenty. Probably the most in the NFL.

They've re-signed: Brandon Lloyd, Russ Hochstein, JJ Arrington

And they've scheduled interviews with: C Kevin Mawae, DE Justin Bannan, DE Jason Babin, DE Dwan Edwards, OT Tony Pashos, CB Nate Jones, C Rex Hadnot

And apparently Bannan and Hadnot are close to signing

I'd say that's a LOT more than "jack"

[FearedSanctity]

Broncos could then draft Clausen if there, Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain, then still have the #11 pick and could maybe even get one of the above players as well.

Broncos are your team so you probably have a better idea of them then I do, but I think it would be best to let Marshall walk and take the pick.

What you think?

Love him, but he needs to go for his sake. Royal can be a decent #1 and Gaffney has shown some potential.

Having a chance to address the QB issue with an extra pick like that AND address the D with a good pick as well, or even go defense with both? Do it

[Droford]

Worthlessbooger has another sex assault charge (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault-again/) coming his way.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I hate to see Julius go, but Jake being gone may be one of the best things I've ever heard as a Panthers fan.

[Big Fat Mike]

STFU SAMMYJEW. Feeley is better than anyone else near St. Louis at this point. And if the Rams DO draft Bradford, it's probably a good idea to let him sit for a while and learn the system in which he will be playing. I'm saying that the Rams will still be god-awful, and it's better to let Feeley get the shit kicked out of him for the time being.

Now if the Rams sign Delhomme...

[Reavant]

I heard Golic say that buffalo should sign delhomme on Mike n Mike.... i want to punch that fat fuck in the gut

[Heros Welcome]

Contract is Official

Dunta Robinson is on his way to Atlanta, 6 year deal. Money not disclosed yet.

Were a lot better in the secondary now! Now the time is to focus on another DE and an OLB and I think this team is ready to jump into the category of ELITE!

[Droford]

WJZ has just confirmed that the Ravens have traded for receiver Anquin Boldin, a three-time Pro Bowler.

According to ESPN, the Ravens traded a third and fourth round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for Boldin and apparently have signed Boldin to a new four-year, $28 million contract.

Now they need to keep Mason from going to Miami or sign someone else. Heard they were interested in Kevin Walter.

[ClockShot]

Who's the Denver QB gonna be?

[RoXer]

great

[RoXer]

"Fucking Hell"

[FearedSanctity]

Who's the Denver QB gonna be?

Well, unless someone wants to dish a 1st for him, it'll be Orton. Unless Brandstater improves or they draft a decent rookie QB

[RoXer]

Matt Leinart to Early Doucet

All day

[RoXer]

How is a pro-bowl receiver not worth a 1st round pick?

[Heros Welcome]

Karlos Dansby is headed to Miami

Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: Miami reached agreement with linebacker Karlos Dansby on a 5-year, $43 million deal, including $22 million guaranteed.

[Heros Welcome]

Vince Wilfork staying with the Pats.

Adam_Schefter

Pats DT Vince Wilfork reaches agreement with NE on five-year, $40 million deal that includes $18 million signing bonus, $25 milion gtd.

[RoXer]

Aghghghgughghgu

[RoXer]

What the fuck are you people trying to do to me?

[RoXer]

I wish I drank

[FearedSanctity]

Broncos officially sign Justin Bannan (DE, BAL) and Nathan Jones (CB, MIA)

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Antrel Rolle to the Giants...5 years, $37 million. Largest contract ever given to a safety.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Does the NFL have no rule in regards to discussing contract talks BEFORE the free agency period starts? I'd have to guess so because I see no other way that nearly every big FA on the market has already signed in under 24 hours.</font>

[RoXer]

<font color=goldenrod>Antrel Rolle to the Giants...5 years, $37 million. Largest contract ever given to a safety.</font>

ROFLLLLLLLL

Have fun. :wave:

[Droford]

How is a pro-bowl receiver not worth a 1st round pick?

Injury history

[Gonzo]

Honestly, anything would be better than C.C. Brown or Aaron Rouse. In the least, can't be any worse.

[RoXer]

The Cardinals just lost 4 Pro-Bowl calibur players in a blink of an eye.

[DaveWadding]

IT's like Antrel Rolle tried to tackle them all and missed.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Does the NFL have no rule in regards to discussing contract talks BEFORE the free agency period starts? I'd have to guess so because I see no other way that nearly every big FA on the market has already signed in under 24 hours.</font>

If the player is an unrestricted free agent, they can sign once the official free agency starts but can do negotiations once the season ends since their contract for their team is over.

Everyone waits till after the franchise tag and tenders are done to give a better idea of a value range for certain tier players.

[Gonzo]

Does the NFL have no rule in regards to discussing contract talks BEFORE the free agency period starts? I'd have to guess so because I see no other way that nearly every big FA on the market has already signed in under 24 hours.

I don't know if that is technically "tampering" or not but I was listening to Cowherd on my way into work this morning and he had an interesting take on it. He thought they should just do away with it. I personally doubt those rules are followed much.

Anyways, the discussion came up because of Peppers, and how he signed with the Bears right away. The question raised was were the Bears guilty of tampering? Cowherd said a team can just say they were talking about any number of players an agent may be responsible for.

I really don't think teams honor the "tampering" rules. There may be some courtesy involved, but c'mon, why would teams wait to talk to a player's agent when you know that they're likely to draw interest from multiple places.

[Gonzo]

My hope is that the Giants pass rush can return to 2007 form. If that happens, you can line the popcorn vendor up in the secondary. A great pass rush will help out any DB.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>So Rolle and a hopefully healthy Kenny Phillips will be the safeties. Webster and Ross at the corners...hoping Ross can go back to his rookie year form.

Could be a damn good secondary. Gotta find a middle linebacker now.</font>

[Gonzo]

I wouldn't mind seeing Ross get the boot. The guy is injury prone. Stick with Webster and Thomas.

The Giants do need a MLB, but I want to see them ensure a solid pass rush up front. I think the dust is settled with Osi and the front office, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be shocked if he were traded on draft day or something. I think Kiwi is in a contract year this year, and I want to see the Giants lock him up.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think Osi's going to stay. Fewell's Tampa 2 defense uses 3 DEs a lot of the time I believe (which isn't too different from Spags' defense...but the idea is Osi will probably get a lot more playing time than next year)

I'm intrigued in Chris Canty next year. I think he's got a lot to prove after his injury-riddled 2009. Bernard sucks though, hopefully they cut him soon enough. Alford will be back and they can probably draft a serviceable backup DT.

Where do you think they get a MLB? I really haven't paid much attention to the free agent market so I'm not sure who's out there.</font>

[Hanso Amore]

<font color=goldenrod>I think Osi's going to stay. Fewell's Tampa 2 defense uses 3 DEs a lot of the time I believe (which isn't too different from Spags' defense...but the idea is Osi will probably get a lot more playing time than next year)

I'm intrigued in Chris Canty next year. I think he's got a lot to prove after his injury-riddled 2009. Bernard sucks though, hopefully they cut him soon enough. Alford will be back and they can probably draft a serviceable backup DT.

Where do you think they get a MLB? I really haven't paid much attention to the free agent market so I'm not sure who's out there.</font>

As a Bills fn, I can tell you that NO, he does not use 3 DEs. He Rushes the front 4 only, and drops 7 back in coverage.

You have the DEs to make it work, but like you said, they need to get pressure or else they are just going to be like the bills, bend but dont "Break" defense. No one will break the big one, they will just average 6 yards a carry and dink and dunk to a TD.

[Hanso Amore]

Oh sorry I didnt include why he doesnt rush 3.

Fewell believes in "DT Penetration" so Canty might break out. But his schemes for DEs are basically "Run around the edge"

[Heros Welcome]

I think the giants now with Rolle taking care of the secondary need will attack the top DT on their board at 15. So Brian Price from UCLA,Jared Odrick from Penn State or Dan Williams from Tennessee could very well be the pick.

That is of course unless Rolando McClain drops to them and would then play MLB, but I think hes going top 10..latest he would go is to the Broncos at 11, but ya never know.

[Hanso Amore]

I think the giants now with Rolle taking care of the secondary need will attack the top DT on their board at 15. So Brian Price from UCLA,Jared Odrick from Penn State or Dan Williams from Tennessee could very well be the pick.

That is of course unless Rolando McClain drops to them and would then play MLB, but I think hes going top 10..latest he would go is to the Broncos at 11, but ya never know.

Should Claussen drop to 11 which is possible, Broncos could nab him. I think its going to be a crapshoot this year.

[Heros Welcome]

Very possible Hanso. I'm also thinking if the Seahawks do sign Marshall, giving the Broncos the 6 pick as well, they could nab Clausen at that spot too.

As always the draft is always a great topic of conversation.

[Crimson]

I'm hoping Earl Thomas drops to the Cowboys..kinda doubt it though. Seeing as they haven't done anything whatsoever.