Smackdown Vs Raw 2011

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Meh, I'll mere play online.

Hopefully I appear as a statistic of being connected to Live and never purchasing this.

[Fignuts]

yeah, but you might not be able to download any community stuff either.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I assumed not. I didn't download any community stuff last year either.

[Xero]

Some bad news for those who buy SvR used or borrow games (either by trading with Goozex or with friends), THQ raises Online Pass for SvR 2011 from the initial $5 they used for UFC 2011 to now $10 per pass code.

THQ's reasoning was since a lot of customers were willing to pay $10 for EA's passes, they figured $10 was the new sweet spot.

http://kotaku.com/5618155/thq-raises-price-of-online-multiplayer-pass-to-10

Might actually skip out on the game because of this.

I always planned on getting it new, but this shit doesn't sit well with me at all.

[Kalyx triaD]

LOL

[Fignuts]

Might actually skip out on the game because of this.

I always planned on getting it new, but this shit doesn't sit well with me at all.

Um, if you buy it new it doesn't concern you?

Also, I don't blame videogame companies for doing this. They lose a lot of money from the used game market every year. And it's not like they are being really evil about it. It's 10 fucking bucks. If they were being douchebags, they would charge like 30, or not even allow online access at all.

Fucking everyone is blowing this matter way out of proportion.

[Xero]

Um, if you buy it new it doesn't concern you?

Also, I don't blame videogame companies for doing this. They lose a lot of money from the used game market every year. And it's not like they are being really evil about it. It's 10 fucking bucks. If they were being douchebags, they would charge like 30, or not even allow online access at all.

Fucking everyone is blowing this matter way out of proportion.

They're already upping it. What will you say if they up it to $20? Then $30? By then you'll have just accepted it.

It's not like they don't plaster the game with streamed-in ads already. And that's only going to get worse. I had a problem with that when it first started happening in games, too, and was one of the major reasons why I dropped my TiVo service.

Does it affect me if I buy new? No, it doesn't. But I'm not going to support a game that does this on the off chance I want to buy something used and not get dicked out of online.

Will one person skipping out on the game do something? Absolutely not. But I won't support a game that does something that I don't support.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It's 10 fucking bucks to start. Then this model takes off and Hollywood takes not and then you're doing the same with 2nd hand blu-rays.

And it does concern him. If you disagree with the business model, don't support it in anyway. It will end up hurting them if retailers are forced to tell people they have to pay $10 to use all the features on the fucking box. Then peoples trade ins are worth less and a lot of people will buy less games.

[Kalyx triaD]

It will end up hurting them if retailers are forced to tell people they have to pay $10 to use all the features on the fucking box.

LOL

[Kalyx triaD]

Hey Has, you already pay $50 to use all the features on the box.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

2nd hand sales you massive twat.

[Xero]

Hey Has, you already pay $50 to use all the features on the box.

DLC.

[Kalyx triaD]

Pretty sure there will be $50 DLC one day, and it will sell like hot cakes because it's related to Call of Duty.

[Fignuts]

Well what would you have them do? They are a business and they have been losing money because of the second hand market for years.

[Kalyx triaD]

Retailers could undercut the actions by reducing the usual cuts of used games, since the MS/PSN points may be purchased at their store anyway.

Or 2nd hand buyers could wait until the used price drops further along. Eventually the 10$ will mean little. This seems to occur with annual franchises for now.

[Fignuts]

Also, pretty sure it's not going to raise anymore. MAYBE some company will make a bold move and raise it to 15, but would have to be something like Halo or COD. They aren't stupid. They know there is only so much people will pay before they decide it
's not worth it. Given the backlash over a measly 10 dollars I doubt they'd push it much further.

[Xero]

Well what would you have them do? They are a business and they have been losing money because of the second hand market for years.

If they cut out the second hand market (which is what they're doing here) they'll lose gamers on a whole.

How should they do it? I'd bump the price down at least $10 for all games, for starters. For example, why an 8 hour game is the same price as an 80+ hour game is beyond me.

Secondly, definitely embrace DLC, as they're doing. DLC is something extra that everyone can purchase for a reasonable fee (arguably). Online play is not something "extra", and if it is, the price of the game should reflect that. Ditto to anything that isn't important to gameplay.

People buy used because new games are too expensive. If they bump games down or put them on a sliding scale in terms of how much play time you'll get out of it people would buy new games more. It's as simple as that.

[Xero]

Also, pretty sure it's not going to raise anymore. MAYBE some company will make a bold move and raise it to 15, but would have to be something like Halo or COD. They aren't stupid. They know there is only so much people will pay before they decide it
's not worth it. Given the backlash over a measly 10 dollars I doubt they'd push it much further.

There's backlash yet there are numbers that back up that this is actually a success, which is why I see it going higher.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

So have the film, music, car and any other physical product industry, they fund new purchases when traded in at best.

But in this stupidly expensive industry, will these costs be passed on to the consumer, knowing that they're willing to pay? Of course not. So we'll let them carry on slowly gouging us by putting prices up with a pretty shady business model, since your average person doesn't know this is happening and he'll be the guy punished.

I'll take that last bit back if THQ are classy enough to make it obvious that you have to pay extra on a pre-owned copy, but they'll hide it as much as the law allows.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's backlash yet there are numbers that back up that this is actually a success, which is why I see it going higher.

Then your quarrel isn't with the companies.

[Xero]

Then your quarrel isn't with the companies.

Okay, I'm blaming you, personally, for this.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'll take that last bit back if THQ are classy enough to make it obvious that you have to pay extra on a pre-owned copy, but they'll hide it as much as the law allows.

Hide it? The codes are packaged with new games. It's fairly common knowledge by now.

Oddly enough, people think they're getting something extra. Silly fucking gamers.

I assure you the issue isn't the company's actions.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Then your quarrel isn't with the companies.

It is and it isn't. They're the ones to start this, but if there's enough apathetic people who eventually realise they've spent too much and can't get the trade in credit on their existing games, they they might see a hit in sales.

The worst thing to do is not like it an then hand over your money anyway. Just do without.

[Kalyx triaD]

Okay, I'm blaming you, personally, for this.

:shifty:

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Hide it? The codes are packaged with new games. It's fairly common knowledge by now.

Oddly enough, people think they're getting something extra. Silly fucking gamers.

I assure you the issue isn't the company's actions.

You cannot be that dense. It's hardly common practice yet, a few EA games and UFC. You cannot see the manual until you purchase it, by hiding it, I mean not putting it on the box.

[Kalyx triaD]

It is and it isn't. They're the ones to start this, but if there's enough apathetic people who eventually realise they've spent too much and can't get the trade in credit on their existing games, they they might see a hit in sales.

The worst thing to do is not like it an then hand over your money anyway. Just do without.

Money talks, yes, but it's a two-way street. The companies will not stand a 2nd hand market kicking them in the ass, and factor the effect of pirated copies.

When gamers try to be inexpensive as possible, it's 'hip' (not Has or Xero's words, just what I've observed); but when the companies tighten their belts and make moves to increase returns it's evil or whatever.

Has is right about the apathy, but for now nobody's paying extra - games are still 60$.

Xero's also spot-on about some games costing 60$ when they don't have the same feature set as others.

[Kalyx triaD]

You cannot be that dense. It's hardly common practice yet, a few EA games and UFC. You cannot see the manual until you purchase it, by hiding it, I mean not putting it on the box.

What difference would that make to the 'fresh' adopter? (Figgy)

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I would be completley fine with all of this if they put, in as big lettering as the "online multiplayer and download created superstars" feature on the back of the box "this will cost you extra if you have bought this pre-owned".

I personally wouldn't want top pay the extra, but at least people that aren't in the know can make an informed decision.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's the retailer's role, as they are the ones who sell used games.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Not really, as it's the games publishers that have decided to put this in there. If they're the ones making the change and not a retailer just facilitating the perfectly legal sale of second hand goods, the responsibility should be on the company making the change.

[Fignuts]

The game publishers don't release their games for the second hand market.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not really, as it's the games publishers that have decided to put this in there. If they're the ones making the change and not a retailer just facilitating the perfectly legal sale of second hand goods, the responsibility should be on the company making the change.

Actually they don't have to; it would only assist a 2nd hand customer who doesn't intend on buying new. It would most likely hurt 2nd hand sells, by extension hurting the retailer, so they should make the moves.

As far as new sales go the companies invoked little change other than inputting a code before playing the game, a change that has thus far had an indifferent effect on new sales (EA says sales have improved but fuck that mess). So why should they drop dollar on promoting a change for a market that doesn't even support them? The party who should work that out is the one who benefits most - the retailers.

There is nearly no reason a company should say "Oh btw if you buy it used..."

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I know, but they could at least look like they give a shit that people may not realise this practice is in place. For all they know, they might have someone buy the new one over the used game if they warned people.

[Kalyx triaD]

For all they know, they might have someone buy the new one over the used game if they warned people.

Highly unlikely. Business deals in stats and educated projections, not wish-stuff like that (no offense).

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Ah well, at least it's easy to not buy THQ games. They only make this and UFC that's worth a damn (and most years, SD v Raw hasn#t even been worth a damn)

I'll probably be out of console gaming once digital distribution is the norm. Unless they do a nice and friendly Steam model with decent sales and not the over-priced 360 GoD and PSP store, I'll probably be rageous over 5 year old games still costing full-price.

[Kalyx triaD]

This is looking like another decent SvR, though.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, the removal of community restrictions and attribute grinding make this an instant buy for me.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

This is looking like another decent SvR, though.

No doubt.

Still only cautiously optimistic though. '10 looked good but there were still no major improvements to the actual gameplay. I know some people were happy making stories and all that but... I just want to get in the ring and play.

The fact that an updated engine with decent physics was their number 1 new feature though gives me some hope.

[Kalyx triaD]

I wanna see their online plans so bad.

[Fignuts]

What would they be planning for online that we don't know about?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Well 6 player HIAC is in and they've apprantly improved the netcode.

SDvR online is not something that ever appealed to me. I've got enough people to play it with in the flesh and it's not a balanced competitive game so I don't have the appeal of beating strangers.

[Kalyx triaD]

While I do have an offline scene as well (historically just me and one other guy, but that was always enough), I would still enjoy some online silliness. Seeing people's CAWs and such.

[Fignuts]

I spend most of my time in CAW.

[Kalyx triaD]

We create a bunch a CAWs and act out a promotion. Commentary, promos, PPVs, everything. Even in front of chicks.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I pre-ordered this at GameStop when I bought Madden. Should I have done it at Best Buy?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh yeah, and 5 of the Road to WMs have been revealed via achievements being viewable during SummerSlam Axxess:

Streak Breaker (Complete the Vs. Undertaker Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Randy's Fired (Complete John Cena's Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Runaway Champ (Complete Chris Jericho's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
5-Second Pose (Complete Christian's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
No More Mystery, Yo (Complete Rey Mysterio's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)

There's usually a 6th one that for one reason or another doesn't have an achievement...but who knows.

The Vs. Undertaker one sounds the most intriguing. I'm guessing it's the Created Superstar Road to WM, but it would be pretty cool if you had a bunch of guys to pick from for that story (hence why it's the Vs. Undertaker story and not the CAS story, the HBK story, or anything like that)

There are also a ton of achievements involving your CAS and WWE Universe mode. Winning belts, winning MITB, successfully cashing in MITB, etc. I can't wait to hear more about that mode.</font>

[Funky Fly]

I pre-ordered this at GameStop when I bought Madden. Should I have done it at Best Buy?

If you want Bret Hart, yes.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Is it current roster Bret Hart? He'd be pretty invincible if he can't bump.

[Xero]

Chairs are legal with Bret.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think the only way I'd use Bret would be to do my created finisher through the cell with a couple of table waiting for him down below.

I'm also going to bet that there's going to be a thousand Montreal Screw Job CAS's.

[Funky Fly]

Is it current roster Bret Hart? He'd be pretty invincible if he can't bump.

I'm hoping it's multiple. Like 1 costume is regular current Bret, 1 is original 80s Hart Foundation Bret and the last is mid 90s Hart Foundation Bret.

[whiteyford]

I'm hoping it's multiple. Like 1 costume is regular current Bret, 1 is original 80s Hart Foundation Bret and the last is mid 90s Hart Foundation Bret.

Can see that being DLC in the future if its not in the game from the start.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The only Best Buy around here is like half an hour away. Fuck that.

[Triple Naitch]

Just pre-order it online.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Time for the annual "is it real or is it photoshopped?" SVR image controversy!

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6108/arenaj.jpg

If it's fake, good job to whoever did it. With WWE changing their minds on PPVs constantly, it makes sense that several of these shows no longer exist, and it's in the order the shows were run in 2009. My main confusion would be why they bothered leaving No Way Out in if they managed to get the Elimination Chamber (aka the exact same PPV) arena in, unless they just figured it may as well stay since they already put it in before EC was announced (plus it'd give a nice even 20 arenas).

Furthermore, somebody at SummerSlam Axxess posted the arena select screen and the only choices were SD, Raw, and SummerSlam (with SummerSlam being in a different spot). The logos were also different. That's probably just a demo version, but that's the reason I think it's fake. How did somebody get access to all the arenas? I mean, you can SEE a reflection of somebody taking a picture, but it's fishy at best.

The only reason this is even remotely important is because it would reveal whether or not NXT is in the game (it's selected so you can see the NXT logo in the background). Of course, I'd leave it to THQ to keep the NXT arena in but still not include the Season 1 guys.</font>

[Skippord]

The only Best Buy around here is like half an hour away. Fuck that.
move out of the sticks mate

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well, that didn't take long.

http://caws.ws/forum/topic/379284-the-arena-listing-is-fake/

"I didn't mean to mess with people" suuuuuuuure.

And with that, I'll go back to assuming NXT (and therefore Daniel Bryan) isn't in the game.</font> :(

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>And apparently Bryan Williams said something about there being DLC Arenas this year. Seems pretty clear where they're going with this then.

NXT Stimulus Package: NXT Arena + the 8 Season One rookies</font>

[Xero]

<font color=goldenrod>And apparently Bryan Williams said something about there being DLC Arenas this year. Seems pretty clear where they're going with this then.

NXT Stimulus Package: NXT Arena + the 8 Season One rookies</font>

Wouldn't season 2 (or possibly 3, if it happens) make more sense? Since it's not like it's constrained by the usual time constraints.

[Evil Vito]

Wouldn't season 2 (or possibly 3, if it happens) make more sense? Since it's not like it's constrained by the usual time constraints.

<font color=goldenrod>Season 1 would have to come first if they weren't in the game. Gotta have the guys who were a part of the biggest angle of the year.</font>

[James Steele]

Fuck yes if they really go all out on DLC arenas. I'd love it if they came out with old school arenas like Attitude era RAW IS WAR, Giant Fist SD! and older WrestleMania arenas.

[D Mac]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh yeah, and 5 of the Road to WMs have been revealed via achievements being viewable during SummerSlam Axxess:

Streak Breaker (Complete the Vs. Undertaker Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Randy's Fired (Complete John Cena's Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Runaway Champ (Complete Chris Jericho's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
5-Second Pose (Complete Christian's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
No More Mystery, Yo (Complete Rey Mysterio's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)

There's usually a 6th one that for one reason or another doesn't have an achievement...but who knows.

The Vs. Undertaker one sounds the most intriguing. I'm guessing it's the Created Superstar Road to WM, but it would be pretty cool if you had a bunch of guys to pick from for that story (hence why it's the Vs. Undertaker story and not the CAS story, the HBK story, or anything like that)

There are also a ton of achievements involving your CAS and WWE Universe mode. Winning belts, winning MITB, successfully cashing in MITB, etc. I can't wait to hear more about that mode.</font>

Chris Jericho heel RTWM hopefully.

Another Cena RTWM? Ugh.

[D Mac]

The only Best Buy around here is like half an hour away. Fuck that.

Just go to Wal Mart at Midnight.

[The Fugitive]

Hmm, if you can interact with the wrestlers backstage, I wonder if Punk will try to save your soul.

[V]

Did any of the other SvR games allow CAW import from older games?

The feature isn't on my wii game for sure, and if it was on other games but not the wii (just like the ability to import custom music) then I'm guessing wii owners will get the short end again =\

[XL]

Wii owners will always get the short end due to power/capability issues.

[Drakul]

I've had an idea about CAW stats.
Seen as how they've done away with stat grinding and to stop everyone leveling up to 99 or whatever, why not have stats be sliders.
For example, one slider would have speed at one end and strength at the other. You could slide the slider to whichever point in the spectrum that suited the CAW. It would stop everyone having a super fast, super strong, hardcore submission master with high stamina.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Just go to Wal Mart at Midnight.

Nothing about Walmart or midnight is enticing to me.

[Drakul]

Anyone in the UK, the release date has been pushed back to the 5th of November.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

lol wow, THQ really don't give a shit about people who may get upset about the second hand thing. Didn't even try sugar-coating it.

THQ: Pre-owned games cheat developers


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THQ "doesn't care" that its one-use code for online play in Smackdown vs. Raw 2011 might upset its consumers. The publisher is waging war against the used games market, and if customers get pissed off, well boo hoo to them, apparently.
"I don't think we really care whether used game buyers are upset because new game buyers get everything," says THQ's Cory Ledesma. "So if used game buyers are upset they don't get the online feature set I don't really have much sympathy for them."

"That's a little blunt but we hope it doesn't disappoint people. We hope people understand that when the game's bought used we get cheated. I don't think anyone wants that so in order for us to make strong, high-quality WWE games we need loyal fans that are interested in purchasing the game. We want to award those fans with additional content."

Additional content? Where's the additional content? Since when did online play count as "additional" content? Don't get me wrong, I don't think THQ doesn't have a right to tackle used games, just as I don't think GameStop doesn't have a right to sell them. But stop talking shit, and stop trying to garner sympathy. When developers and publishers stop cheating consumers, maybe consumers can feel a little bad for "cheating" developers and publishers just because they want the best deal possible.

Maybe game makers should work on providing real additional content to reward new customers, rather than focus all their efforts on lazily punishing used buyers. Grow a pair of balls, developers, and tackle this properly. Making your own customers feel like criminals for lawfully buying games and trying to save paying $60 every time is not the way to win.


Pre-owned 'cheats developers' - THQ (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=261330?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS) [CVG]

[The Jayman]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh yeah, and 5 of the Road to WMs have been revealed via achievements being viewable during SummerSlam Axxess:

Streak Breaker (Complete the Vs. Undertaker Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Randy's Fired (Complete John Cena's Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Runaway Champ (Complete Chris Jericho's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
5-Second Pose (Complete Christian's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
No More Mystery, Yo (Complete Rey Mysterio's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)

There's usually a 6th one that for one reason or another doesn't have an achievement...but who knows.

The Vs. Undertaker one sounds the most intriguing. I'm guessing it's the Created Superstar Road to WM, but it would be pretty cool if you had a bunch of guys to pick from for that story (hence why it's the Vs. Undertaker story and not the CAS story, the HBK story, or anything like that)

There are also a ton of achievements involving your CAS and WWE Universe mode. Winning belts, winning MITB, successfully cashing in MITB, etc. I can't wait to hear more about that mode.</font>


:heart: Christian gets his own RTWM

[Kalyx triaD]

LOL

[Shaggy]

<font color=goldenrod>

Streak Breaker (Complete the Vs. Undertaker Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Randy's Fired (Complete John Cena's Road to WrestleMania)(Silver)
Runaway Champ (Complete Chris Jericho's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
5-Second Pose (Complete Christian's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)
No More Mystery, Yo (Complete Rey Mysterio's Road to WrestleMania) (Silver)

</font>

I can assume this from those achievement descriptions.....

Streak Breaker....obviously involves ending Takers streak at Mania

Randy's Fired......From the sounds of it your final match will be Cena Vs Orton in a loser leaves WWE match...

Runaway champ...have no idea...can only hope that its heel Jericho to make it better

5 second pose....could be reunited with Edge or maybe fighting Edge in the main event...

Mo more mystery.... involves a mystery attacker through out the thing with you finally fighting him at Mania

---------------------------------------------------------------

Hate that there is another Cena one...

[XL]

I just hope there's one where you can be a heel all the way through. No being turned on to turn you face or whatever. Really bugged me in previous games where you would play the match using heel tactics or brutally and needlessly beating your opponent into a pulp only to be a face at the next show.

I hope the "WWE Universe" mode takes that into account too. If you keep getting DQ's as champ the game books you in no DQ matches for example.

[Xero]

Are you guys really complaining about the company's biggest star getting a RTWM?

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I want a Joseph Mercury RTWM

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Actually fuck that I want a Michael Cole RTWM where you have to commentate and try not to offend Daniel Bryan, or else he will kick your fucking head in.

[Xero]

Everyone would want to lose that.

[D Mac]

Pretty sure someone will make that storyline.

[D Mac]

This and Rock Band 3 come out on the exact same day.

[The Jayman]

as does Fable 3

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

As well as Star Wars: The Force Unleased 2.

[The Jayman]

this is going to be an expensive day

[Funky Fly]

Nuts. Well, I'm def down for Fable 3, as I've got the collector's edition preordered. Definitely want the other 3, but my budget says otherwise. I'll just wait them out.

[Fignuts]

wtf are you serious?

Was gonna get the pro guitar with rockband 3. Not gonna have cash for smackdown too.

rawr

[Funky Fly]

Yeah. I live alone and work ricockulous hours, making get togethers a bit of a challenge. Rock Band is great, but I can't justify it over Fable 3 (or TFU or SvR) if I'm only gonna play it 2 or 3 times a month.

[Xero]

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/981438957_vPpv5-L.jpg

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm just shocked anyone is prioritising TFU2 above any other release after the first one.

[Funky Fly]

If they fix up the glitchtastic gameplay and streamline things better, it could be a fantastic game.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, I don't think the first one was bad, it was just flawed. And two things help it's reputation considerably.

1. It's Star Wars

2. You can chuck a tie fighter at people.

[D Mac]

Yeah, I don't think the first one was bad, it was just flawed. And two things help it's reputation considerably.

1. It's Star Wars

2. You can chuck a tie fighter at people.

I wanna use the force choke on John Cena.

[Fignuts]

My Rob Van Dam is uploaded, if anyone cares. I know funky does. Pretty sure there are no other ones up, with the outfit I used. Only one outfit, as I stopped giving a shit about 2010 a long time ago, due to the community restrictions.

[YoungFlyFlashy]

SMH @ Christian getting a bigger push and taking on more serious roles in a video game than real life.

[Funky Fly]

My Rob Van Dam is uploaded, if anyone cares. I know funky does. Pretty sure there are no other ones up, with the outfit I used. Only one outfit, as I stopped giving a shit about 2010 a long time ago, due to the community restrictions.

yay

[YoungFlyFlashy]

Will not be buying until maybe 2015, cause with such a gap between SD vs Raw 09 (last one I bought) maybe it won't feel like the same exact game.

[XCaliber]

I wanna use the force choke on John Cena.

Yeah but he would still find a way to reverse it and slap you into the Attitude Adjustment FTW. :|

[Ermaximus]

Apparently Gamestop is giving you a code or something for $20 off either the Survivor Series or TLC PPV just for pre-ordering SvR11. Bundle that with the fact they'll surely have an unlockable pre-order character and it's not a bad gig. More to come.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm pretty sure that's it for GameStop tbh. As it is now, everybody who buys the game new gets Chris Masters DLC and if you buy from Best Buy you get Bret Hart as well (I believe it was said that Bret Hart will later be DLC much like Austin). If they offered another DLC legend at GameStop, that would be bullshit as it would mean no matter where you buy the game from you'd have to fork over money to get the legend that came exclusive with the other store. Methinks Best Buy reached an agreement with THQ this year. If GameStop DOES offer a code for another wrestler it'd probably just be somebody who is already in the game (ie not DLC) but just locked from the start (sorta like how Game offered a code for The Rock last year I believe)

So let's see...I can either

A) Go to Best Buy, use my $25 gift card, and get Bret Hart for free instead of having to pay for him later as DLC

or

B) Go to GameStop, pay the full $60, and still have to pay a good chunk of change for a lackluster PPV.

Gee, tough choice there.</font>

[Ermaximus]

<font color=goldenrod>I'm pretty sure that's it for GameStop tbh. As it is now, everybody who buys the game new gets Chris Masters DLC and if you buy from Best Buy you get Bret Hart as well (I believe it was said that Bret Hart will later be DLC much like Austin). If they offered another DLC legend at GameStop, that would be bullshit as it would mean no matter where you buy the game from you'd have to fork over money to get the legend that came exclusive with the other store. Methinks Best Buy reached an agreement with THQ this year. If GameStop DOES offer a code for another wrestler it'd probably just be somebody who is already in the game (ie not DLC) but just locked from the start (sorta like how Game offered a code for The Rock last year I believe)

So let's see...I can either

A) Go to Best Buy, use my $25 gift card, and get Bret Hart for free instead of having to pay for him later as DLC

or

B) Go to GameStop, pay the full $60, and still have to pay a good chunk of change for a lackluster PPV.

Gee, tough choice there.</font>

I plan on getting the Bret Hart code free off a site I frequent anyways Vito, but to each their own. :D

[Funky Fly]

I plan on getting the Bret Hart code free off a site I frequent anyways Vito, but to each their own. :D

What what what? Do tell...

[Ermaximus]

What what what? Do tell...

xboxamerica.com

I've built up a pretty good connection with the guys there and I give out a good share of free codes and in turn they help me when I need stuff as well. That and the fact that someone will surely trade the game in at Gamestop with the Best Buy code in it. :D

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The roster reveal will be September 8th on GameSpot at 3 PM (presumably 3 PM West Coast time as it's in San Francisco)</font>

[Fignuts]

So, just curious.

What kind of create a finisher move did you guys give your caw? Gave mine a shooting star warrior's way. It's fucking nasty looking.

[whiteyford]

So, just curious.

What kind of create a finisher move did you guys give your caw? Gave mine a shooting star warrior's way. It's fucking nasty looking.

I did the same thing almost, corkscrew into a double stomp, bit glitchy though.

[Skippord]

So, just curious.

What kind of create a finisher move did you guys give your caw? Gave mine a shooting star warrior's way. It's fucking nasty looking.
same thing

looks brutal

[James Steele]

Burning Hammer (FTW!)

(Use the CAF as my main groggy front finisher and the actual corner move Reverse Death Valley Driver as my "big finish" finisher.)

I have a couple others but they are all basically different setups for them to be dropped on their head.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

For those that haven't heard, American pre order bonuses have been announced. I'm assuming that they'll be the same in the UK, just the shop they come from will vary.


Best Buy (or any retailer in Canada): Bret Hart playable character

Toys R Us: Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" gear

Amazon.com: Three outfits for Randy Orton (T-shirt, suit and referee uniform)

Walmart: "Tribute to the Troops" arena




Ministry Undertaker finally!



http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/living_legend13/Undertaker.jpg?1283371082

[Cool King]

For those that haven't heard, American pre order bonuses have been announced. I'm assuming that they'll be the same in the UK, just the shop they come from will vary.


Best Buy (or any retailer in Canada): Bret Hart playable character

Toys R Us: Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" gear

Amazon.com: Three outfits for Randy Orton (T-shirt, suit and referee uniform)

Walmart: "Tribute to the Troops" arena

Damn, I'd really like them all, but if I had to pick just one, The Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" attire would be my pick.

I hope GAME has that one as I've already Pre-Ordered the game with them.

[Fignuts]

Hated that outfit. Always looked like he had two little feet for a logo on his chest. Very strange.

Only place I can buy from is Wal-Mart, and that's a good thing this time, it looks like.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I've already pre-ordered with Amazon in the UK, but I'll simply cancel and change to which ever has that outfit, loved that era Undertaker. I'm a little torn between that and Bret though, but it's pretty obvious that they'll all be DLC within a few months, so it's no biggy.

[D Mac]

Pretty sure all those will be unlockable thru DLC later on, right?

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Yeah I'd assume so. One of the interviews with one of the THQ guys stated that there will be a fair amount of DLC this year, and it'll be out pretty soon after release. Not like 2009 where the DLC came out a few months before 2010 came out....

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I just read that for CAS, it's going to be limited to 15 CAWs instead of 10, BUT, you can use the 15 CAWS unlimited amount of times this year.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

That's good, the 10 times total per story was just stupid.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, 15 CAWs unlimited times will be fine. Could even pull off the first 3 months of the nWo storyline with that.

[Xero]

I never understood why they had it 10 times total. It just didn't make sense. The only thing I could think of was that they were loading the one CAW all those times instead of having it loaded once into the system and used multiple times.

Anyway you look at it it was ridiculous, though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I think it was honestly to stop people doing purely TNA based storylines, either at a WWE request or just to avoid copyright issues. It cant have been a technical issue, unless they're totally retarded.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I can honestly imagine WWE making that kind of rule. Which in itself is retarded. I mean people are going out to spend money on their game. Who cares what they do once they have it?

As far as wrestling games go, WWE currently have no competition at all.

I kind of hope TNA comes out with a decent game in the next couple of years. As it'll be cool to have something to play opposite SvR. But seeing as how Impact sucked, and LoWM was nothing to write home about, it doesn't seem likely we're going to have anything soon.


Unless 'All Stars' is your thing....

[Xero]

I'm actually interested in All Stars a lot more than SvR11.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I phrased that incorrectly. I'm looking forward to it, because it's different, it's new etc. But I was referring to wrestling sims like SvR, and there being no direct competition right now.

Although I'm looking forward to SvR11 more than I have any other Smackdown game in a while. The new physics, WWE Universe, plus the ability to customize community DLC all has my attention.

All Stars is out in March right? Any news on the roster other than Cena and The Rock?

[Xero]

No real news lately on All Stars.

You're right, though, there isn't a current sim that matches SvR. LOW was the only real competition they had since the WCW games.

Most likely there won't be another series to come close to SvR unless something happens like Spike teams up with TNA and puts out something on the KoC engine. Which I would love to see.

Imagine if TNA allowed someone to license a game with their talent along with ROH and other indy talent. It could be huge.

[Fignuts]

At this point, we'd be incredibly lucky to get another Firepro or KoC made in Japan, let alone spike working on an american game, so I try not to daydream about it.

[D Mac]

Although I'm looking forward to SvR11 more than I have any other Smackdown game in a while. The new physics, WWE Universe, plus the ability to customize community DLC all has my attention.



Same here.

[Funky Fly]

At this point, we'd be incredibly lucky to get another Firepro or KoC made in Japan, let alone spike working on an american game, so I try not to daydream about it.

What are they working on if not wrestling titles? Probably tentacle rape dating sims? They are Japanese.

[Fignuts]

Well they were are doing the dragonball z games, I know that. They said quite a while back that they are done with wrestling games.

Don't think there has been any wrestling games in japan in several years. It's dropped in popularity way more than it has in the U.S.

[Funky Fly]

Yeah, Pride killed the market. Then the Yakuza killed Pride.

[Shaggy]

wow... non of those pre-order bonuses excite me...

[D Mac]

Roster announcement next week?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, Wednesday at 6 PM EST on GameSpot</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Just went ahead and pre-ordered at Best Buy. Only cost $38.59 as I finally got rid of my $25 gift card.</font>

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Bleh. Just read something that may be very bad.

With the new grapple system, for the weak grapples, it's set up a lot like the moves were last year (flick the stick, grapple, flick the stick another direction), basically giving you 16 WEAK grapples. As far as strong grapples go, there are only 8. 4 from the front, 4 from the back.

So, unless they've made a lot of moves weak grapples, this sort of sucks. The idea of having 4 big moves is lame as hell. That's a little too realistic for my liking...

[CSL]

NEW for WWE Smackdown 2012! Match Structure mode!

[Xero]

lol

[Juan]

Roster announcement next week?

Hmm. I wonder who's gonna be in the game this year

[Funky Fly]

Bleh. Just read something that may be very bad.

With the new grapple system, for the weak grapples, it's set up a lot like the moves were last year (flick the stick, grapple, flick the stick another direction), basically giving you 16 WEAK grapples. As far as strong grapples go, there are only 8. 4 from the front, 4 from the back.

So, unless they've made a lot of moves weak grapples, this sort of sucks. The idea of having 4 big moves is lame as hell. That's a little too realistic for my liking...

Yeah, word. That is brutal if it's the classic weak grapple moves. Still, I'm not getting it right away, since Fable 3 is going to take all my time, so you fuggas can tell me all about it.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I'm betting they've upgraded the weak grapples because of that. It won't be the simple 'headlock' or 'arm drag'. I'd assume they've added a load to go with the fact that every wrestler has a lot of these weak grapples. Otherwise every wrestler would have the same moves for 75% of the match.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Is it also possible that these 'strong grapples' have replaced signature moves? Because I read that you can only do them once your momentum is at a certain level.

[The Fugitive]

Um... source?

[Ermaximus]

Ok so Gamestop had it's manager conference in San Antonio last week and seeing as my store manager is a WWE fan, he got to test the game out at conference. He confirmed to me that Zack Ryder and Nexus are in this so there it is.

Imagine the possibilities with the stables?

Miz, Danielson, Ryder, Maryse. I'm set now.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I hope you're right Ermax, that would be awesome.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I really hope you're right with that. I'm guessing the Nexus are going to be based on how they were when NXT first started (Gabriel in white tights, Young looking slightly more goofy, etc.). Hopefully they got their theme in there at least.</font>

[Ermaximus]

I hope I'm right too or I'm going to give my store manager a hard time about it. I guess we'll find out tomorrow for sure though right?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Yup, tomorrow at 6:00pm eastern on Gamespot.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Actually, the reveal apparently doesn't start til 7 PM EST. People going live can enter at 6 PM EST tho.

I doubt your manager would lie about that. Though it is kinda surprising that nobody else has leaked it since presumably anybody who went to the conference saw the full roster. Maybe they were asked to not tell anybody (like that's gonna work lol).</font>

[Ermaximus]

<font color=goldenrod>Actually, the reveal apparently doesn't start til 7 PM EST. People going live can enter at 6 PM EST tho.

I doubt your manager would lie about that. Though it is kinda surprising that nobody else has leaked it since presumably anybody who went to the conference saw the full roster. Maybe they were asked to not tell anybody (like that's gonna work lol).</font>

Lol. Kinda like how they weren't supposed to record anything, but he recorded gameplay footage from Dead Space 2 and showed it to us all Sunday at our staff meeting?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

As long as Nexus are in and Tarver looks like a rapist, I'm happy.

[James Steele]

WE ARE ONE WE ARE ONE WE STAND TOGETHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[James Steele]

I hope Michael Cole is playable.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/141812/michael-cole-boxing-o.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/103424/michael-cole-humps-o.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/103478/michael-cole-getting-excited-3-o.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/546348/cole-s-a-parrot-o.gif
http://www.gifsoup.com/view/554382/daniel-bryan-beats-up-cole-o.gif

[Triple Naitch]

I hope they have the Nexus theme in it at least.

[D Mac]

Well if they don't we can get it off the net and put it in as custom theme.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think they are more likely to have either their WWE Pros' theme or the NXT theme. But I will definitely be adding in the Nexus theme.

Anyway, I think Marcus Stephenson from THQ just confirmed Nexus in his blog:

I'm looking forward to this week. Tomorrow, you will all finally see our SvR '11 roster reveal. We have some big surprises for you, and throughout the webcast I know you will all be thinking; "What could possibly happen NXT?"

Would be a HUGE douchebag move if that was just a tease and they aren't in.</font> :o

[Fignuts]

Nah, I've been pretty certain all along that they would be in. Dunno about Daniel Bryan though. Did he get released at a point where he wouldn't make it in the game?

[The Fugitive]

He'll be DLC, if he's not included on release.

As an added bonus for DLC, you'll unlock Justin Robert's tie to be pulled out from under the ring during Extreme Rules matches and be able to use it in a number of environmental grapples. Using it to restrain something to the ringpost for an extra beating, shoving an opponent into the barricade and whipping them, shoving them to the ground and choking them... actually, if the television cables still existed for announcer tables, that could be awesome.

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like it. Forget the tie gag, bring back the cables. You do a front grapple, as I mentioned, you shove them and choke them with the cable. For a back grapple, you whip them in the back of the knee, causing them to hobble or fall to the ground, clutching their leg. Lying down on the ground, strike them with the cables. Whipped into the turnbuckle, you 'chop' them with the cables. Whip into the barricade, you wrap the cable around their necks and jump over the barricade, kneeling down to choke them from behind.

Definitely not WWE friendly nowadays, but just a thought.

[Evil Vito]

Nah, I've been pretty certain all along that they would be in. Dunno about Daniel Bryan though. Did he get released at a point where he wouldn't make it in the game?

<font color=goldenrod>Nah, the cutoff is usually WrestleMania or somewhere right around there. NXT started in late February so they'd have been around for a full month. I think all 8 will be in, but not as the Nexus.</font>

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

To be fair, in alot of cases, the character models are 'old', but stuff like music, titantrons, stables etc are added much later. So theres a good chance everything will be in, and they will be Nexus, just in old attire and without the 'N' armbands.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Definitely not WWE friendly nowadays, but just a thought.

To be fair, the last SvR game wasn't exactly 'WWE' standards, by todays PG levels. I mean, they increased the blood effects last year to an extent that it was everywhere, over the opponents face and body, on your body, on your fists. And this year they're improving weapon dynamics, for more brutal matches, which is a step away from WWE's current TV product.

Add to the fact that you have so many customisation options in these games, they feel like WWE's compromise to the fans who long for the non-PG stuff again :lol:

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A lot of people seem to think only a few of the Season 1 guys will be in...namely Bryan, Barrett, and Otunga. Aka the 3 guys who seemed like the only feasible options to win NXT after the first few weeks before the cutoff likely was.

It'd feel kinda "incomplete" not having all of them there. I'd probably actually use Gabriel, Tarver, and Sheffield quite a bit if they were in. But if Bryan was in I'd be ecstatic. I'd use him a ton. I'd also use Barrett a lot as well. Don't really care about Otunga, Young, or Slater.

in fact...if all 8 DO get in I'll probably kick Slater's head in during my first match</font>

[Corporate CockSnogger]

It will be interesting to see what they do with the stable if they are all in. Hasn't there been a maximum of like 5 members in a stable in past games?

[Drakul]

So, when do they start showing us stuff like CAW etc?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

GamingRing should show off some of that in a few weeks, in it will also be call names and I think moves too.

[Ermaximus]

If Yoshi Tatsu is in this, then there is no reason why all of Nexus shouldn't be.

[Drakul]

The release date in the UK has been pushed forward. It was put back to 5th of November but now it's been put forward to 29th of October.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Amazon.co.uk is saying it's release price has gone from £39.99 to £49.99. It better go down, because even CoD is listed as £42.99 on there.


*Edit* - Just looked at my pre-orders, and apparently you get it for what ever price you pre-ordered it for, unless it gets cheaper.

[Ermaximus]

The release date in the UK has been pushed forward. It was put back to 5th of November but now it's been put forward to 29th of October.

So 3 days after the NA release. Sweet!

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I'll be sure let you know what you want if I get it on release, it doesn't look good atm.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>35 min to the roster reveal

There was actually a leaked pic...showed several guys you figured would be in (Kozlov, JTG, Kidd, MVP, Goldust) but also VANCE ARCHER.

If Archer gets in, Tatsu and Ryder definitely will as well.</font>

[Ermaximus]

Link me to the reveal Vito?

[Londoner]

Are these smackdown v raw games actually improved at all these days? Haven't brought one for a long long time cause they just seemed so cheaply done....

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

http://www.gamespot.com/shows/today-on-the-spot/?event=wwe_smackdown_vs_raw_2011_roster_reveal20100908

[Londoner]

Lol, they've managed to get people hyped for something like this?:D

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

With Hoyt making it in, does that mean Hawkins is in too since they're a team? We'll see in 20m.

[Evil Vito]

With Hoyt making it in, does that mean Hawkins is in too since they're a team? We'll see in 20m.

<font color=goldenrod>Doubt it. He returned way too late I think.</font>

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Doesn't matter, barely used him in 08 anyway.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Bet they do it the same way as last year. Raw guys, then SD guys, then the divas. The NXT guys would TECHNICALLY be Raw but since everybody wants them they'd save them for last</font>

[Cuzziebro]

Anyone else on the edge of their seat?

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

A little bit, yeah.

[BizarroKing]

Let's do this!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Come the fuck on now GameSpot</font>

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Hawkins won't make it.

NXT guys will probably be announced as DLC.

I wonder if they'll announce legends too.

[BizarroKing]

HERE WE GO!

[Londoner]

Actually interested in this now,lol.

[BizarroKing]

Ugh...lag, but oh well...

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm half assed paying attention to this in my money laundering class... I'm a good law student.

[Londoner]

Good old miz.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Miz really plays it up.

[Londoner]

ahahahaha@ one of the comments below

"If WWE is all fake, y is it so popular?"

[Londoner]

boo's for cena!

[Cuzziebro]

Wow they like to screw around with bullshit don't they.

[BizarroKing]

For a sec, I was about to call foul for no Ryder. But of course they wouldn't let us down.

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

RAW
Chris Jericho
Edge
Ezekiel Jackson
Goldust
John Cena
John Morrison
Mark Henry
Primo
R-Truth
Randy Orton
Santino Marella
Shawn Micheals
Ted DiBiase
The Miz
Triple H
Vladimire Kozlov
William Regal
Zack Ryder

SmackDown!
The Big Show
Chavo Guerrero
Christian
CM Punk
Cody Rhodes
Dolph Ziggler
Finlay
Jack Swagger
JTG
Kane
Kofi Kingston
Matt Hardy
MVP
Rey Mysterio
Shad
The Undertaker

Divas
Beth Phoenix
Brie Bella
Eve
Gail Kim
Kelly Kelly
Maryse
Melina
Michelle McCool
Natalya
Nikki Bella

Game Debut
Alica Fox
David Hart Smith
Drew McIntyre
Luke Gallows
Sheamus
Tyson Kidd
Vance Archer
Yoshi Tatsu

Legends
Bret Hart

DLC
British Bulldog
Lex Luger
Wade Barrett
David Otunga
Justin Gabriel
Layla
Shawn Michaels(attire)
NXT Arena
Shad(attire)

Likely in but released
Batista
Carlito
Shelton Benjamin
Mickie James

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

LMAO, they asked a guy in the crowd what his favourite moment in WWE history was, and he said 'When Benoit won the title at WM 20'. Ouch

[Ultra Mantis]

Benoit mention :eek:

Also Roberts' talking about the Nexus invasion :lol:

[Londoner]

Miz taking the piss out of shad, brilliant, i was thinking the same.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>No Archer? Odd since I've already seen his model.

No Gallows but that's no great loss.</font>

[Londoner]

I now need to get this game and set up a undertaker V Miz feud.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

<font color=goldenrod>No Archer? Odd since I've already seen his model.</font>

They've only actually shown people who have been in the game before. they'll probably show all the new peeps together, including the Hart Dynasty.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

McIntyre, Harts, Archer, Gallows, etc.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Add Serena and Layla to that list.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

<font color=goldenrod>No Archer? Odd since I've already seen his model.

No Gallows but that's no great loss.</font>

No where near finished yet. As they haven't announced Miz or Orton yet. Theres more to come.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Huge crotch chop it would be if Nexus missed the cut after all the teasing about it.</font>

[Londoner]

Miz is amazing.

[BizarroKing]

<font color=goldenrod>No Archer? Odd since I've already seen his model.

No Gallows but that's no great loss.</font>

Think again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Layla is definitely the biggest snub this year, even without seeing the rest of the roster.

Looking awesome so far.</font>

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Last post on page 11, I'm updating the roster list.

[Londoner]

TLC looks awesome

[BizarroKing]

So wait no Batista?

[Evil Vito]

So wait no Batista?

<font color=goldenrod>I doubt they revealed released people, but I'd guess that Batista, Shelton, Mickie, and Carlito are in</font>

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

I think they're in too.

[Beth Phoenix Fan]

lex luger as downloadable content

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Only 3 members of the Nexus as DLC, and none of them is Daniel Bryan

Fuck this shit.</font>

[Ermaximus]

So NXT is DLC? WTF?

[Cuzziebro]

So only Wade Barret, Justin Gabriel and David Otunga in but as DLC.. Whatsupwithat?

[BizarroKing]

I'm calling bullshit on nXt as DLC and no Daniel Bryan.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Also The Great Khali isn't in. Odd.</font>

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

What about, LEX LUGER

[Londoner]

oh my GAWD

My gawd, miz is greatness.

[Ultra Mantis]

Alt Shad outfit? Who would want that?

[Londoner]

Alt Shad outfit? Who would want that?

miz

[Cuzziebro]

Can anyone say... Let Down!

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Confirmed, no Demo.

[BizarroKing]

Well that settles it, I'm not buying the game.

[taker707]

kind of a let down

[Ermaximus]

My boss is a lieing sack of shit.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Oh come on, that's a great line up. They already said that there are more DLC packs to come, so I'm sure we'll see the rest of Nexus, plus more Legends.


Plus they never announce or advertise guys that don't work with the company anymore, and seeing as VO would have been done a while ago, I'd still expect to see guys like Batista and Carlito in there.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Ermax, I'm guessing your manager played a game that had the DLC already unlocked?

Barrett, Otunga, and Gabriel were likely selected because they were the NXT finalists. But not having Bryan is still really stupid. They HAD to know everybody wanted him in.</font>

[BizarroKing]

<font color=goldenrod> But not having Bryan is still really stupid. They HAD to know everybody wanted them in.</font>

I'm gonna call it right now, by tomorrow at least 1000 pre-ordered are gonna be canceled because of this. WWE has screwed us again.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Bit strange about no Khali either. I'm sure they've just randomly missed people out of the announcements.

[XL]

Sounds like they've dropped the ball here. Again.

Are there any guys that haven't already been in a SD game before? I wouldn't hold too much hope for DLC after the shit they pulled last year.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

I'm gonna call it right now, by tomorrow at least 1000 pre-ordered are gonna be canceled because of this. WWE has screwed us again.

lol, if people cancel the game purely because one character is missing, they need to get a grip. There is still a good chance he'll make DLC.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Sounds like they've dropped the ball here. Again.

Are there any guys that haven't already been in a SD game before? I wouldn't hold too much hope for DLC after the shit they pulled last year.

Thing is, the past two years they didn't advertise DLC. 2009 gave it to us in the last few months of the games shelf life, and 2010 had none at all. They've gone out and told us now that they will have lots of DLC this year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I will say - I certainly hope there are still good Barrett/Otunga/Gabriel CAWs that go up on Community Creations even though they'd already been announced as DLC</font>

[Dark-Slicer Diago]

Sounds like they've dropped the ball here. Again.

Are there any guys that haven't already been in a SD game before? I wouldn't hold too much hope for DLC after the shit they pulled last year.

Yes there is, check last the last post on page 11.

[Ultra Mantis]

So not announced as being in the game:

Daniel Bryan
Darren Young
The Great Khali
Heath Slater
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
Michael Tarver
Skip Sheffield

Alberto Del Rio
Caylen Croft
Chris Masters
Curt Hawkins
Joey Mercury
Trent Baretta

Most of these guys are fairly new additions so wouldnt have been around during development, and the ones who arent great or havent been on TV in ages. Seems like aside from NXT the only ones they didn't put in the are Khali, Masters and the Dudebusters.

[BizarroKing]

Luke Gallows HAS been in a game before. Just saying.

I'm sorry but I'm still ranting, I cannot believe Nexus and nXt got demoted to DLC. Yes I know we can still get it eventually, but that's not the point, they deserve to be in by default.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The thing is. The 2nd DLC pack is presumably complete. Who knows if they'll even make another one since at some point they have to start SVR12.</font>

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

It says on IGN that the first pack of DLC will be out shortly after release, and will feature Chris Masters, Rey Mysterio ("Dia de los Muertos" Halloween-themed attire) and Kelly Kelly (Devil themed Halloween attire)

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Well, I'm still looking forward to this game, and will end up getting all the DLC. Mainly because I don't get DLC for anything else, and this is one of my 'main' games.

[BizarroKing]

So not announced as being in the game:

Daniel Bryan
Darren Young
The Great Khali
Heath Slater
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
Michael Tarver
Skip Sheffield

Alberto Del Rio
Caylen Croft
Chris Masters
Curt Hawkins
Joey Mercury
Trent Baretta

Most of these guys are fairly new additions so wouldnt have been around during development, and the ones who arent great or havent been on TV in ages. Seems like aside from NXT the only ones they didn't put in the are Khali, Masters and the Dudebusters.

-Most of the nxt guys were there since February at least that's plenty of time to design the characters.
-Masters WAS announced
-Dudebusters people don't care about atm
-Alberto, Curt, Joey, and the Usos (and Tamina) I agree with.
-Khali not being in is odd...

[taker707]

So not announced as being in the game:

Daniel Bryan
Darren Young
The Great Khali
Heath Slater
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
Michael Tarver
Skip Sheffield

Alberto Del Rio
Caylen Croft
Chris Masters
Curt Hawkins
Joey Mercury
Trent Baretta

Most of these guys are fairly new additions so wouldnt have been around during development, and the ones who arent great or havent been on TV in ages. Seems like aside from NXT the only ones they didn't put in the are Khali, Masters and the Dudebusters.

masters is in it i think

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Well, including the DLC characters of Bret Hart, Bulldog, Luger, Otunga, Gabriel, Barrett, Layla and Masters, and not including alternate attires, there are 61 playable characters.

They have advertised over 70. So who is missing?

[Ultra Mantis]

Didn't know Masters was part of DLC Pack#1. So yeah it's weird they didn't just add the NXT guys straight away, maybe they didn't think they would actually make it on the full roster since they were getting "eliminated".

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Or maybe they figured it would help the DLC packs sell, seeing as like I said, theres a chance they're splitting them up over packs.

[Ultra Mantis]

Well, including the DLC characters of Bret Hart, Bulldog, Luger, Otunga, Gabriel, Barrett, Layla and Masters, and not including alternate attires, there are 61 playable characters.

They have advertised over 70. So who is missing?

Probably other legends, Vince, etc.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>According to Tank at THQ, there are still 14 more characters to be revealed.

Interestingly enough though...he re-posted the rosters and included Batista on Raw. No sign of Carlito, Shelton, Mickie, and still no Khali</font>

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Probably none of the other guys because they were easier to take out. You'll probably find that Batista has major VO in one of the RTWM's or something, so couldn't be taken out.


Don't get Khali.


Funny thing about Khali, is he made his SvR debut in 2007, which I've been playing lately. Most of the roster can't even punch, kick or grapple him without hurting themselves. He's a beast on legend mode.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Probably other legends, Vince, etc.

Good to see they're mixing up the legends a little this year. I miss the old SvR games where you'd get a different selection of legends every year. But the past few years it's been Austin and Rock.

Like I said, I've been playing 2007, and the list of legends included not only Austin and Rock, but the 3 faces of Foley, Bret, Neidhart, Hogan, Tazz, Lawler, Piper, Bam Bam etc.

I'd like to see that kind of variation again.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think Khali isn't in. It makes zero sense to have him be the ONLY active guy not listed right away. I don't use him or anything but that may be one of the biggest roster snubs in years.</font>

[Xero]

Remember, Khali was pretty much set up to leave a bit after Mania, but they brought him back in. Could explain it.

And Danielson not being in could be explained by being fired.

[Lord-Of-Darkness]

Well the guys at THQ have said there are 14 more superstars to be announced, that aren't DLC. So I'm guessing unlockables/ the future endeavoured club?

[Evil Vito]

Remember, Khali was pretty much set up to leave a bit after Mania, but they brought him back in. Could explain it.

<font color=goldenrod>It still really doesn't make sense though. Finlay made it back into the game even though he has been on 1 episode of SD since January. Primo made it back in despite being a Superstars jobber. I just don't see how Khali isn't in. Then again, Layla not being on the default roster makes even less sense.

My guesses for the final 14 spots:

1. Mickie James
2. Shelton Benjamin
3. Carlito
4. Mike Knox
5. Mr. McMahon
6. The Rock
7. Stone Cold Steve Austin
8. Ricky Steamobat
9. Ted DiBiase
10. Dusty Rhodes
11. Bob Orton
12. Sgt. Slaughter
13. Waste of space random character from RTWM
14. Waste of space random character from RWTM</font>